CD 22s

rtwhitman2 · Post by **rtwhitman2** » Nov 18th, '11, 13:35

I've been looking at Tys but I'm concerned they might be too small for 4/5 day excursions. Now, I'm also considering a CD 22 and ideally a CD 22D. I can't find a lot of information about the 22D (ie: how many were made, powerplant, interior layout, etc.). Any suggestions? Also, the 22 has a motor well. Is it pratical? Is there a lot of drag under sail? Will a motor run with the well hatch closed?

Jim Buck · Post by **Jim Buck** » Nov 18th, '11, 15:43

The CD22 had two power options; one an inboard Yanmar 1GM (CD22D) and the other (CD22) an outboard motor mounted on a bracket on the stern. The "22" with the outboard well is actually the Typhoon Senior. For more info on Cape Dorys, please click on the "About Cape Dorys" page located at the top of this page. You can navigate to the particular models there for more specifications. Hope this helps in your quest for one of the finest sailing vessels available.

Jim

Markst95 · Post by **Markst95** » Nov 18th, '11, 17:06

I've done some longer stays on my Ty and it can be done. Give me a pm if you want and I can give you an idea of what its like. Mark

GLutzow · Post by **GLutzow** » Nov 18th, '11, 20:09

I used to spend a week camping/cruising on my Weekender with my wife and my, then, 3 year old daughter. She' 29 now....sigh!!

rtwhitman2 · Post by **rtwhitman2** » Nov 19th, '11, 08:24

All: The Ty and 22 are such beautiful boats, I find the outboard hanging off the back to be (a necessary, but) terrible distraction. That's why the thought of a well or inboard are of interest. The question is whether wells actually work. If they do, why so many outboard brackets? Any experience realting to drag under sail or whether an outboard engine will work with a ventilated well hatch closed? I'm generally a singlehander so I can be creative with small space. But, in nasty weather built in features such as an ice bin are much preferred over a lot of tie-down portable aparatus -- hence the interest in a CD 22.

Markst95 · Post by **Markst95** » Nov 19th, '11, 11:03

There are advantages\disadvantages to both the stern mount and well mounted outboards. Check the archives, I believe there are a few discussions. The one main disadvantage to well mounts is you have to leave the outboards lower end in the water all the time. Be prepared to spend extra time and money on maintenance. I keep my Ty on a mooring and store my Honda 2hp inside the cabin. Its fairly easy to attach since it weighs only 28 lbs. Its also nice to be able to rotate the motor 360 degrees, I can spin the boat in its own diameter. One disadvantage is it only runs about an hour on a tank of gas and can be a pain to fill if its rough.

Gary M · Post by **Gary M** » Nov 19th, '11, 16:20

I've owned and loved both!

Four to five day trips can be done in either but in my opinion doing a four day trip in a Typhoon is for the very young and the very skinny! (I was both back then)

A CD22 will provide much more comfort for longer trips.

As far as the outboard placement. Again, I've had both a well (Columbia 26 Mk I) and my current CD22. No one will argue that an outboard bracket on the stern looks good but the manuverablily and far more storage is very desirable.

IMHO I would go for a CD22 over a Ty and a outboard bracket over a well. For a small boat I would also go with an outboard over an inboard.

Best of luck in your search for a fine boat what ever it is.

Gary

Bob B · Post by **Bob B** » Nov 19th, '11, 19:57

The only drawback to the outboard is in a rough chop. The outboard may clear the water and spin causing it to eventually shear a pin or something of the sort as well as not allowing much headway. I have my second Typhoon where we traveled for a few days last summer. The only drawback was the outboard. If I had a choice CD22D would be best. They are hard to find though so good luck.

Bob B.
CD Typhoon Liberty

Sea Hunt Video · Post by **Sea Hunt Video** » Nov 19th, '11, 21:41

I owned a Typhoon Weekender and loved her. I intended to do some limited cruising (Florida Keys, etc.) with her. Early on I spent 4-5 hours in her "cabin" to see what a few days would be like sleeping aboard. It was not comfortable for me. As I have said, if I was a skinny 22 yoa again with a young girlfriend I am sure I would have loved it.

You may also want to consider availability. There were a LOT of Typhoon Weekenders built (1900+); by comparison, only a few Cape Dory 22s (170+); and, I think, even fewer Cape Dory 22Ds.

There are always 8-10 or more Typhoon Weekenders for sale on Yachtworld.com and similar websites.

nhammatt · Post by **nhammatt** » Nov 20th, '11, 01:17

RT.

Last September I spent my honeymoon on a CD22 cruising the coast of Maine for three weeks, and I am still married.

I have to concur with Garyâ€™s assessment.
Cruising on either the 22 or Ty could perhaps be better described as â€œwater campingâ€

Bob B · Post by **Bob B** » Nov 20th, '11, 18:38

I addition to the Typhoon, we've had a 25D. This is the best of the small cruisers. The problem is the trailerability. The 25D is not really a trailerable boat like the 25 is.
It was great for cruising though and while bigger boats were heading back to the docks because the weather had piped up some, we were still sailing.

ronkberg · Post by **ronkberg** » Nov 20th, '11, 18:59

"The motor is currently mounted in an aft well and any performance loss due to drag is unnoticeable."

Hi Nat, I thought that the TySr had an aft well but the CD-22 only had the outside motor mount. Is this true? If so, then did you do a modification for well mounting?

What year is your CD-22 and where are you moored in Maine? I sail out of Saco Bay on a Typhoon and have been thinking of going up to a CD 22 footer and the TySr looks more appealing because of the aft well.

Regards from another Mainer, Ron

Gary H · Post by **Gary H** » Nov 20th, '11, 19:20

I purchased my Ty Weekender 5 years ago with the fantasy of spending some weekends on her. Being 6 ft tall and over 60 years old, sleeping in the Ty turned out not to be that much fun. My wife spent one night in it and refused to do so again. I am now restoring a 22D which will replace my Ty when complete. There is a very big difference in cabin size between a Ty and a 22. I am looking forward to spending nights on the 22.

rtwhitman2 · Post by **rtwhitman2** » Nov 21st, '11, 11:59

All: The views have been very helpful. I'm now headed toward a CD 22D. Its inboard is only about 100 lbs heavier than a typical outboard, delivers more efficient power, and is much less bother from a fuel perspective. I want a boat I can trailer and the 22 seems the best compromise between sailing/living space and mobility. An inboard also offers a number of colateral benefits: cabin heat/drying on cold wet days late into the season, a source for generating hot water, reliable populsion in heavy weather, a good way to keep batteries up, etc. I also like the added ventilation on a CD 22 (hatch, ports, etc.) This is all a big experiment as my last vessel was a CD 33, which I adored. Now, finding a good 22D is another matter.

Joe Myerson · Post by **Joe Myerson** » Nov 21st, '11, 12:28

rtwhitman2 wrote:I'm now headed toward a CD 22D. Its inboard is only about 100 lbs heavier than a typical outboard, delivers more efficient power, and is much less bother from a fuel perspective. I want a boat I can trailer and the 22 seems the best compromise between sailing/living space and mobility. ... Now, finding a good 22D is another matter.

Good luck in your search.

You might want to consider the 25D, if you can't find a 22D (both are in relatively scarce supply, but the 22D is a rare bird indeed).

I've found my 25D almost ideal--but it is NOT really a trailer boat.

--Joe

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