New England Rope vs Yale Cordage
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New England Rope vs Yale Cordage
Maine Sail has posted (on another site) information regarding a new product from Yale Cordage (Ph.D. a coated Spectra single braid). I met Skip Yale at the Annapolis Boat Show. We discussed this new product while I fondled it.
STARVIEW will be getting new running rigging this winter, and I have previously used Sta-Set & Sta-Set-X exclusively. Does anyone have experience with Yale's products?
Mitchell Bober
Sunny Lancaster (where little girls are made of sugar and splice), VA
STARVIEW will be getting new running rigging this winter, and I have previously used Sta-Set & Sta-Set-X exclusively. Does anyone have experience with Yale's products?
Mitchell Bober
Sunny Lancaster (where little girls are made of sugar and splice), VA
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Skip is a member at our yacht club and a super nice guy. PH D is far too much line IMHO for a CD, no offense to Skip. I am personally not a big fan of single braid lines unless racing exotic boats with words like graphite, kevlar and resin infusion in the build description. My HArken furler came with a Yale single braid spec'd by Harken and built by Yale. Harken wound up eating nearly every furler line and had yale make them new double braided line. The new Harken furler line is basically Yale ULS YAcht Braid in balck with red tracer. It is SIGNIFICANTLY better on the hands and much less slippery on the cleat.
There are two excellent Yale products that I do recommend for cruising. Yale ULS Yacht Braid and Yale Vizzion. ULS Yacht Braid has less stretch than NER Sta-Set X yet sports a 24 core jacket and is NOT a parallel core. It is priced very competitively and has a great hand. It is a much better value than Sta-Set or Sta-Set X and has a significantly better jacket.
Yale Vizzion is a Vectran LPC / Olefin core with a polyester jacket. It has very low stretch and a decent price. Yale Crystaline is a full vectran core and only a little more expensive, about $2.00 per foot for 3/8" line. I like it better than NER VPC though VPC is an excellent value in a cruising halyard..
There are two excellent Yale products that I do recommend for cruising. Yale ULS Yacht Braid and Yale Vizzion. ULS Yacht Braid has less stretch than NER Sta-Set X yet sports a 24 core jacket and is NOT a parallel core. It is priced very competitively and has a great hand. It is a much better value than Sta-Set or Sta-Set X and has a significantly better jacket.
Yale Vizzion is a Vectran LPC / Olefin core with a polyester jacket. It has very low stretch and a decent price. Yale Crystaline is a full vectran core and only a little more expensive, about $2.00 per foot for 3/8" line. I like it better than NER VPC though VPC is an excellent value in a cruising halyard..
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Yale ULS - How is it to splice?
How is Yale ULS for splicing? I have been "eyeing" that for
replacing the adjustable part of our topping lift. It needs a small
eye splice.
replacing the adjustable part of our topping lift. It needs a small
eye splice.
Rich Abato
Nordic Tug 34 Tanuki
Previous Owner Of CD36 Mahalo #163
Southern Maine
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I spoke with Skip Yale today and got the comparison between StaSet X and Yale ULS Yacht Braid. At 1300 pounds working load for a 7/16" line the difference in stretch is about 0.38% - 0.40%. The parallel core StaSet X has ever so slightly less elongation but is just a horrendous line in terms of feel and handling with the parallel core. It is also more money.
Yale ULS Yacht Braid
Yale Vizzion:
NER VPC:
StaSet X:
Yale ULS Yacht Braid
Yale Vizzion:
NER VPC:
StaSet X:
three strand
For those of you still working in three strand line (is that like a rotary dial phone?) I could use some information . I am making several eye splices and end splices in polyester three strand. When the splice is done and I have just a nib of fray showing, my usual procedure is to burn the fuzz. This leaves a nice round bulb finish. However the line I am using is a really nice white but burns very dark when finished as above. Some old line I have appear to have a white something at the ends. It would really look better looking in a more nonobtrusive finish.What is it?
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Three Strand
Hi Len,
Some people like to use Whip End Dip. It can be applied with a Q-Tip, also.
http://www.gemplers.com/product/132148/Whip-End-Dip
It can be purchased much cheaper than this advertised price. About $6 and change. It comes in clear as well as in colors, too.
There are other brands similar to this that work just as well.
O J
Some people like to use Whip End Dip. It can be applied with a Q-Tip, also.
http://www.gemplers.com/product/132148/Whip-End-Dip
It can be purchased much cheaper than this advertised price. About $6 and change. It comes in clear as well as in colors, too.
There are other brands similar to this that work just as well.
O J
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Whipping line
Len,
Sometimes I wrap the "fuzzy" ends with waxed whipping line. It's light-colored and looks quite neat.
--Joe
Sometimes I wrap the "fuzzy" ends with waxed whipping line. It's light-colored and looks quite neat.
--Joe
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Finishing Laid Rope Splices
It's just what you described: polyester. In simplest terms this material is a long-chain petrochemical derivative. When it burns it becomes what chemists call a "tar" (in layman's terms, a black gooey mess). There's no way around this as many will recall from failed experiments in organic chemistry lab.Len wrote: ... I am making several eye splices and end splices in polyester three strand ... the line I am using is a really nice white but burns very dark when finished . What is it? ...
One method with laid or 3-strand is to taper the finished splice. After making 4 tucks in each of the 3 strands, make another tuck with only 2 of the strands, and a final tuck with only 1 of the remaining strands. In doing this get all 3 strands to exit their last tuck on the same side of the rope in a tapered fashion. Not only does this look better, but it's also stronger (the stress where a strand exits is distributed along the line rather than at a single point). A splice finished in this manner is also less likely to hang in use, an important practical consideration.
Then either use a hot knife carefully to finish the splice if you can live with the black color of the melted strand, or cut close and whip as Joe suggested. Note that this whipping will be a bit ungainly and long, and will not work well unless you use a heavy enough whipping twine that corresponds to the rope size you are working on. When whipping a splice you will not be able to do a "barrel" stitch or similar as is common with other laid or double braid whippings.
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Yale Ropes
MaineSail... thanks for sharing the good info on the new Yale products. It is now time for me to replace the good old main halyard on my CD-33.
What do you think would be a good replacement for this, the Vizzion or the Yale ULS YAcht Braid... I really need a no-stretch, or lowest stretch- but easy to handle line there. Thanx
What do you think would be a good replacement for this, the Vizzion or the Yale ULS YAcht Braid... I really need a no-stretch, or lowest stretch- but easy to handle line there. Thanx
Zeida
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Yes, no "barrel" stitch
Armond,
You're right.
The whipping I usually do is not barrelled -- and it really serves to cover the ragged end fibers.
--Joe
You're right.
The whipping I usually do is not barrelled -- and it really serves to cover the ragged end fibers.
--Joe
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