Kenyon 2 Burner Alcohol Stove, Replace? CD27

[Warren Kaplan]

Sine Qua Non (1980 CD27) has a little two burner alcohol stove. Looks like a drop-in type. Its old and it leaks alot so that fire hazard is a real concern. Consequently, I don't use it. I'd like to next year but I don't think its worth repairing in the state that its in. I'd rather just replace it. I don't have the model number with me (genius that I am). Does anyone familiar with this stove know if it is still made? Has anyone replaced one with a different unit? Anyone know if Kenyon is still in business? Any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Warren Kaplan
Sine Qua Non
CD27
Oyster Bay Harbor, NY



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[Clay Stalker]

Sine Qua Non (1980 CD27) has a little two burner alcohol stove. Looks like a drop-in type. Its old and it leaks alot so that fire hazard is a real concern. Consequently, I don't use it. I'd like to next year but I don't think its worth repairing in the state that its in. I'd rather just replace it. I don't have the model number with me (genius that I am). Does anyone familiar with this stove know if it is still made? Has anyone replaced one with a different unit? Anyone know if Kenyon is still in business? Any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Warren Kaplan
Sine Qua Non
CD27
Oyster Bay Harbor, NY

Hi there Warren:

Replaced my Kenyon with an Origo 4000 this spring....got it for a present from my wife...good thing, as it cost around $350....fits real well, but had to do a little trimming inside the hole to make it drop in. I really like it, real simple to use and works fine. I highly recommend it.

Clay Stalker
CD27 Salsa #247
Bristol, R.I.



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[Warren Kaplan]

Sine Qua Non (1980 CD27) has a little two burner alcohol stove. Looks like a drop-in type. Its old and it leaks alot so that fire hazard is a real concern. Consequently, I don't use it. I'd like to next year but I don't think its worth repairing in the state that its in. I'd rather just replace it. I don't have the model number with me (genius that I am). Does anyone familiar with this stove know if it is still made? Has anyone replaced one with a different unit? Anyone know if Kenyon is still in business? Any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Warren Kaplan
Sine Qua Non
CD27
Oyster Bay Harbor, NY

Hi there Warren:

Replaced my Kenyon with an Origo 4000 this spring....got it for a present from my wife...good thing, as it cost around $350....fits real well, but had to do a little trimming inside the hole to make it drop in. I really like it, real simple to use and works fine. I highly recommend it.

Clay Stalker
CD27 Salsa #247
Bristol, R.I.

Thanks Clay. Do you know where you wife bought it?

Warren



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[Larry DeMers]

Hi Warren,

Here is West Marines catalog info on the Origo 3000 drop-in two burner alc. stove. This might be what you are after.

Cheers,

Larry

Sine Qua Non (1980 CD27) has a little two burner alcohol stove. Looks like a drop-in type. Its old and it leaks alot so that fire hazard is a real concern. Consequently, I don't use it. I'd like to next year but I don't think its worth repairing in the state that its in. I'd rather just replace it. I don't have the model number with me (genius that I am). Does anyone familiar with this stove know if it is still made? Has anyone replaced one with a different unit? Anyone know if Kenyon is still in business? Any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Warren Kaplan
Sine Qua Non
CD27
Oyster Bay Harbor, NY

Non-Pressurized Alcohol Stove - 2-Burner, Origo 3000
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[Clay Stalker]

Sine Qua Non (1980 CD27) has a little two burner alcohol stove. Looks like a drop-in type. Its old and it leaks alot so that fire hazard is a real concern. Consequently, I don't use it. I'd like to next year but I don't think its worth repairing in the state that its in. I'd rather just replace it. I don't have the model number with me (genius that I am). Does anyone familiar with this stove know if it is still made? Has anyone replaced one with a different unit? Anyone know if Kenyon is still in business? Any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Warren Kaplan
Sine Qua Non
CD27
Oyster Bay Harbor, NY

Hi there Warren:

Replaced my Kenyon with an Origo 4000 this spring....got it for a present from my wife...good thing, as it cost around $350....fits real well, but had to do a little trimming inside the hole to make it drop in. I really like it, real simple to use and works fine. I highly recommend it.

Clay Stalker
CD27 Salsa #247
Bristol, R.I.

Thanks Clay. Do you know where you wife bought it?

Warren

Warren:

I believe it was West Marine. Seems they had the best price on that particular stove....she also checked out Defender, BoatUs, and Hamilton Marine. Defender is usually cheapest, but not with this stove. Read them closely, because there are several models, and not all will fit.

Clay



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[Neil Gordon]

The Origo 4000 is available from West Marine. You may have to order it, as it's hit or miss to find one on the shelf.

I have one and agree with the prior comments. The hole required a little trimming. The stove works fine.


Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167



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[Kevin Mulligan]

Warren:
Kenyon is still in business. I first tried rebuilding mine, model 209G, using parts purchased at West Marine. It still leaked so I called Kenyon. They were very helpful, sent me additional parts. I replaced them and it still leaked. I sent them the stove, they repaired it, but at a cost of $150. It works fine but who knows how long all those rubber and brass parts will take to wear out again. With over $220 invested I wish I had bought the Origo as it has no moving parts.
But the Kenyon option is available. Here's their address & phone:
Kenyon International, Inc.
#8 Heritage Park Rd
Clinton, Ct. 06413
860 664-4906
Best of luck,
Kevin Mulligan
CD 28 # 226, "Skibbereen"
Crystal River, Fl.

Sine Qua Non (1980 CD27) has a little two burner alcohol stove. Looks like a drop-in type. Its old and it leaks alot so that fire hazard is a real concern. Consequently, I don't use it. I'd like to next year but I don't think its worth repairing in the state that its in. I'd rather just replace it. I don't have the model number with me (genius that I am). Does anyone familiar with this stove know if it is still made? Has anyone replaced one with a different unit? Anyone know if Kenyon is still in business? Any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Warren Kaplan
Sine Qua Non
CD27
Oyster Bay Harbor, NY

kmulligan@yahoo.com

[Warren Kaplan]

Kevin, and everyone else who replied;

Thanks for the quick input. I've decided to replace the stove with the Origo 4000. As you experienced, Kevin, pouring additional money into a 22 year old stove to save what amounts to maybe $100 is pointless, especially if there is a good chance that some other old part will "roll over" soon enough. I'll just get a new Origo and put it in maybe early next spring.

Thanks again,
Warren Kaplan
Sine Qua Non
CD27
Oyster Bay Harbor, NY



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[Catherine Monaghan]

Origo 3000 2-burner non-pressurized alcohol stove

<a href="http://www.newportnautical.com/stoves.htm">Newport Nautical Supply</a>, Item# 2372C002, $225.00

<a href="http://www.sailnet.com/store/item.cfm?p ... SailNet</a>, $254.95

<a href="http://www.overtons.com/cgi-bin/overton ... erton's</a>, Item# 300266DS, $254.99

<a href="http://www.thechandleryonline.com//prod ... A3000">The Chandlery Online</a>, $267.63 (Their in Canada.)

<a href="http://www.defender.com/cgi-bin/Web_sto ... efender</a>, Item# 400400, $274.95

<a href="http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/commer ... let=">West Marine</a>, Item# 171298, $289.99

<a href="http://www.boatus-store.com/browse/item ... oatU.S.</a>, Item# 170026, $359.99 (and this is their SALE price)



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[Minnie Pearle]

he wants the drop in version. I believe the picture is the gimballed version.



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[Andy Denmark]

Warren,

The very first thing I replaced when Rhiannon was commissioned in 1984 was the Kenyon stove. I gave the thing away to one of the waterway gypsies and considered it good riddance -- alcohol in any form is lousy for cooking, IMHO. (Alcohol is for drinking but that marine stuff makes your fingernails hurt! Coleman fuel is not much better and makes terrible Dark & Stormies!)

Replaced the Kenyon with a Force Ten CNG flush mounted unit. The CNG tank is under the port settee berth (heavy things get put low and close to the centerline in Rhiannon). A 1/4" trim ring was necessary to get the Force Ten stove to mount properly but that will not be necessary when I put Corian on the countertops (see another post).

The main reasons I went with CNG: my daughter and friends could use the boat without fear (mine - they have no fear as teenagers) of blowing the boat up with LPG, cheap: (Public Service Gas fills the tank for $15 and it lasts all season, much better heat than alcohol (though admittedly not as good as LPG), and ease of containing a lighter-than-air gas in a normal storage compartment.

This stove has seen a lot of use. It works perfectly and is a snap to clean completely. Heeled over under sail I use a Forespar Mini-Galley mounted over the sink. Under power in reasonably flat water, the Force Ten works great. It has fiddles and tolerates some heeling and we actually use it like that sometimes. The Mini Galley is gimballed so heeling is not a problem.

Here's a great cookbook for sailors and a bit of a different philosophy for meal planning: "The Two Burner Gourmet: The Cookbook for the Cruising Yachtsman" by Terry Searfoss. Don't know if this is available anymore but it's worth the price.

One of the greatest pleasures of cruising is preparing really nice meals. The hassle (and odor) free stove helps make this possible.

For what it's worth,

Andy Denmark
CD-27 #270 "Rhiannon"
Oriental, NC (90 degrees, 10-12 SW wind and no clouds today)



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[Mario]

Is the CNG compartment vented through the hull?

Mario

Warren,

The very first thing I replaced when Rhiannon was commissioned in 1984 was the Kenyon stove. I gave the thing away to one of the waterway gypsies and considered it good riddance -- alcohol in any form is lousy for cooking, IMHO. (Alcohol is for drinking but that marine stuff makes your fingernails hurt! Coleman fuel is not much better and makes terrible Dark & Stormies!)

Replaced the Kenyon with a Force Ten CNG flush mounted unit. The CNG tank is under the port settee berth (heavy things get put low and close to the centerline in Rhiannon). A 1/4" trim ring was necessary to get the Force Ten stove to mount properly but that will not be necessary when I put Corian on the countertops (see another post).

The main reasons I went with CNG: my daughter and friends could use the boat without fear (mine - they have no fear as teenagers) of blowing the boat up with LPG, cheap: (Public Service Gas fills the tank for $15 and it lasts all season, much better heat than alcohol (though admittedly not as good as LPG), and ease of containing a lighter-than-air gas in a normal storage compartment.

This stove has seen a lot of use. It works perfectly and is a snap to clean completely. Heeled over under sail I use a Forespar Mini-Galley mounted over the sink. Under power in reasonably flat water, the Force Ten works great. It has fiddles and tolerates some heeling and we actually use it like that sometimes. The Mini Galley is gimballed so heeling is not a problem.

Here's a great cookbook for sailors and a bit of a different philosophy for meal planning: "The Two Burner Gourmet: The Cookbook for the Cruising Yachtsman" by Terry Searfoss. Don't know if this is available anymore but it's worth the price.

One of the greatest pleasures of cruising is preparing really nice meals. The hassle (and odor) free stove helps make this possible.

For what it's worth,

Andy Denmark
CD-27 #270 "Rhiannon"
Oriental, NC (90 degrees, 10-12 SW wind and no clouds today)

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[Catherine Monaghan]

..: Is the CNG compartment vented through the hull?

Mario

Warren,

The very first thing I replaced when Rhiannon was commissioned in 1984 was the Kenyon stove. I gave the thing away to one of the waterway gypsies and considered it good riddance -- alcohol in any form is lousy for cooking, IMHO. (Alcohol is for drinking but that marine stuff makes your fingernails hurt! Coleman fuel is not much better and makes terrible Dark & Stormies!)

Replaced the Kenyon with a Force Ten CNG flush mounted unit. The CNG tank is under the port settee berth (heavy things get put low and close to the centerline in Rhiannon). A 1/4" trim ring was necessary to get the Force Ten stove to mount properly but that will not be necessary when I put Corian on the countertops (see another post).

The main reasons I went with CNG: my daughter and friends could use the boat without fear (mine - they have no fear as teenagers) of blowing the boat up with LPG, cheap: (Public Service Gas fills the tank for $15 and it lasts all season, much better heat than alcohol (though admittedly not as good as LPG), and ease of containing a lighter-than-air gas in a normal storage compartment.

This stove has seen a lot of use. It works perfectly and is a snap to clean completely. Heeled over under sail I use a Forespar Mini-Galley mounted over the sink. Under power in reasonably flat water, the Force Ten works great. It has fiddles and tolerates some heeling and we actually use it like that sometimes. The Mini Galley is gimballed so heeling is not a problem.

Here's a great cookbook for sailors and a bit of a different philosophy for meal planning: "The Two Burner Gourmet: The Cookbook for the Cruising Yachtsman" by Terry Searfoss. Don't know if this is available anymore but it's worth the price.

One of the greatest pleasures of cruising is preparing really nice meals. The hassle (and odor) free stove helps make this possible.

For what it's worth,

Andy Denmark
CD-27 #270 "Rhiannon"
Oriental, NC (90 degrees, 10-12 SW wind and no clouds today)

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[Catherine Monaghan]

Either way, you can see who will give you the best deal.

Hey Minnie, don't forget to clip that price tag off your hat!


Cathy

he wants the drop in version. I believe the picture is the gimballed version.

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[Andy Denmark]

Is the CNG compartment vented through the hull?

Mario

Hi, Mario,

The compartment is simply the port side bin under the settee berth. It's nowhere close to airtight. I made a couple of "saddles" for the tank to rest in, put on a tie-down strap, and yes, there is a vent hose but it comes off the pressure regulator valve. I hooked this to the hose that was formerly the vent for the built-in holding tank, just forward of the engine beds. Since I dont use a holding tank with the Porta Potti, the vent line was unused. I understand that this venting really isn't necessary as the minute quantities of CNG are so dilute that there is no hazard. No one has ever smelled CNG in the cabin or elsewhere and it has a very strong, pervasive, and pungent odor (like sulphur dioxide), so there doesn't seem to be a problem.

Marinas charge an arm and leg for CNG. At the local natural gas company it's $15.00 per tank and they give you about twice the amount (by weight) as the tanks furnished by a marina. The local marina here charges $58 plus tax for a half-full cylinder. I doubt that you can buy season's worth of alcohol for that price. There is absolutely no hassle swapping tanks simply using a medium adjustable wrench.

CNG is a requirement for all the charter boats here because of the safety aspects of the fuel.

FYI,

Andy



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