I just received a nice halyard organizing plate from Dwyer Aluminum Mast. This was recommended to me by Bob Marsh on this board, back in February 2001. He said that his fit "perfectly" under the mast step on his CD27. I just got mine and I won't be doing any installation until spring...but I like to plan early. This is a stainless steel plate and the mast step I believe is aluminum.
Sine Qua Non's mast was unstepped this weekend so I had a good chance to look at the "innerds" of the mast step. I see 4 large bolts that obviously have to be removed. I'll put the organizing plate flat on the deck, bedded of course and then I guess I should smear something like Tef-Gel or some other insultation compound between the plate and the bottom of the mast step because they are dissimilar metals. Same with the screw holes. Then I'll just bolt it back into place. Is there something that I'm missing here that I need to be made aware of. This plate has 14 nice holes on it to place blocks for running lines from the mast, aft to the cockpit. I won't have to drill a single new hole in the deck, for this anyway. Any advice would be welcomed.
Warren Kaplan
S/V Sine Qua Non
CD27 #166 (1980)
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Removing and Reinstalling Mast Step CD27
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Bill Goldsmith
Re: Removing and Reinstalling Mast Step CD27
Warren,
I installed a similar plate on Second Chance at the beginning of last season. The installation is straightforward. Use a socket extension to remove the four bolts. I had to drill four mounting holes in the plate, since the existing ones didn't match the holes in the step. I bedded the plate in Lifecaulk. I put two layers of heavy duty electrical tape on the bottom of the mast step to isolate the different metals. I purchased four new bolts of the same size, 1/8" longer to install the assembly. I put a nice schmear of Tef-Gel in the holes and around the washers before tightening. Everything worked out great. The mast was raised so slightly, the turnbuckles made up the difference. I was actually surprised at the lack of complications in this project--usually there are plenty of unexpected issues on a rigging project.
I still have to install the other parts to running the lines back--I seem to get one part done each year!
Bill Goldsmith
CD27 #173
Second Chance
goldy@bestweb.net
I installed a similar plate on Second Chance at the beginning of last season. The installation is straightforward. Use a socket extension to remove the four bolts. I had to drill four mounting holes in the plate, since the existing ones didn't match the holes in the step. I bedded the plate in Lifecaulk. I put two layers of heavy duty electrical tape on the bottom of the mast step to isolate the different metals. I purchased four new bolts of the same size, 1/8" longer to install the assembly. I put a nice schmear of Tef-Gel in the holes and around the washers before tightening. Everything worked out great. The mast was raised so slightly, the turnbuckles made up the difference. I was actually surprised at the lack of complications in this project--usually there are plenty of unexpected issues on a rigging project.
I still have to install the other parts to running the lines back--I seem to get one part done each year!
Bill Goldsmith
CD27 #173
Second Chance
Warren Kaplan wrote: I just received a nice halyard organizing plate from Dwyer Aluminum Mast. This was recommended to me by Bob Marsh on this board, back in February 2001. He said that his fit "perfectly" under the mast step on his CD27. I just got mine and I won't be doing any installation until spring...but I like to plan early. This is a stainless steel plate and the mast step I believe is aluminum.
Sine Qua Non's mast was unstepped this weekend so I had a good chance to look at the "innerds" of the mast step. I see 4 large bolts that obviously have to be removed. I'll put the organizing plate flat on the deck, bedded of course and then I guess I should smear something like Tef-Gel or some other insultation compound between the plate and the bottom of the mast step because they are dissimilar metals. Same with the screw holes. Then I'll just bolt it back into place. Is there something that I'm missing here that I need to be made aware of. This plate has 14 nice holes on it to place blocks for running lines from the mast, aft to the cockpit. I won't have to drill a single new hole in the deck, for this anyway. Any advice would be welcomed.
Warren Kaplan
S/V Sine Qua Non
CD27 #166 (1980)
goldy@bestweb.net
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Joe Donnelly
Re: Removing and Reinstalling Mast Step CD27
Warren,
I was wondering what size or model halyard organizing plate you purchased from Dwyer? I have CD27 #150, and the organizing plate seems to be a great idea I'd like to use. Thanks so much for the info.
Best wishes,
Joe Donnelly
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I was wondering what size or model halyard organizing plate you purchased from Dwyer? I have CD27 #150, and the organizing plate seems to be a great idea I'd like to use. Thanks so much for the info.
Best wishes,
Joe Donnelly
donnj2@aol.com
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Warren Kaplan
Re: Removing and Reinstalling Mast Step CD27
Joe,Joe Donnelly wrote: Warren,
I was wondering what size or model halyard organizing plate you purchased from Dwyer? I have CD27 #150, and the organizing plate seems to be a great idea I'd like to use. Thanks so much for the info.
Best wishes,
Joe Donnelly
Its Dwyer part# D292. The plate costs $46 + about $7 shipping from Connecticut to Long Island, NY. Their website is www.dwyermast.com
Warren Kaplan
S/V Sine Qua Non
CD27 #166
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Bill Goldsmith
Re: Removing and Reinstalling Mast Step CD27
I just had another thought regarding adding the mast base plate.
In my prior comment I mentioned that "The mast was raised so slightly, the turnbuckles made up the difference." Well, since I have roller furling on the forestay, that stay obviously stayed the same length. Therefore, the mast must have been canted ever so slightly forward of its old position. That may have been partially responsible for the lack of weather helm on Second Chance. Does anyone think that slight change could have made a difference as to weather helm (I certainly did not notice a visual difference--the mast still looks stright up and down).
Bill
goldy@bestweb.net
In my prior comment I mentioned that "The mast was raised so slightly, the turnbuckles made up the difference." Well, since I have roller furling on the forestay, that stay obviously stayed the same length. Therefore, the mast must have been canted ever so slightly forward of its old position. That may have been partially responsible for the lack of weather helm on Second Chance. Does anyone think that slight change could have made a difference as to weather helm (I certainly did not notice a visual difference--the mast still looks stright up and down).
Bill
Bill Goldsmith wrote: Warren,
I installed a similar plate on Second Chance at the beginning of last season. The installation is straightforward. Use a socket extension to remove the four bolts. I had to drill four mounting holes in the plate, since the existing ones didn't match the holes in the step. I bedded the plate in Lifecaulk. I put two layers of heavy duty electrical tape on the bottom of the mast step to isolate the different metals. I purchased four new bolts of the same size, 1/8" longer to install the assembly. I put a nice schmear of Tef-Gel in the holes and around the washers before tightening. Everything worked out great. The mast was raised so slightly, the turnbuckles made up the difference. I was actually surprised at the lack of complications in this project--usually there are plenty of unexpected issues on a rigging project.
I still have to install the other parts to running the lines back--I seem to get one part done each year!
Bill Goldsmith
CD27 #173
Second ChanceWarren Kaplan wrote: I just received a nice halyard organizing plate from Dwyer Aluminum Mast. This was recommended to me by Bob Marsh on this board, back in February 2001. He said that his fit "perfectly" under the mast step on his CD27. I just got mine and I won't be doing any installation until spring...but I like to plan early. This is a stainless steel plate and the mast step I believe is aluminum.
Sine Qua Non's mast was unstepped this weekend so I had a good chance to look at the "innerds" of the mast step. I see 4 large bolts that obviously have to be removed. I'll put the organizing plate flat on the deck, bedded of course and then I guess I should smear something like Tef-Gel or some other insultation compound between the plate and the bottom of the mast step because they are dissimilar metals. Same with the screw holes. Then I'll just bolt it back into place. Is there something that I'm missing here that I need to be made aware of. This plate has 14 nice holes on it to place blocks for running lines from the mast, aft to the cockpit. I won't have to drill a single new hole in the deck, for this anyway. Any advice would be welcomed.
Warren Kaplan
S/V Sine Qua Non
CD27 #166 (1980)
goldy@bestweb.net
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Mark Yashinsky
Plate thickness
Remember, we are talking about raising the mast about 3/16" (at most). Do the math to see how much the mast would move forward (length of two sides stay the same). Also, the mast is NOT being bent (not keel stepped or additional stays) by this change. Also, Captain Goldsmith added a rigid vang. This additional control over the main could affect the amount of weather helm in Second Chance.
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Leo MacDonald
Removing Mast Step CD30K
Hi Warren,
Had the same thought a few years ago and purchased a similar mast plate for my '77 CD30K.
Unstepped the mast, removed the 4 bolts and zilch. The mast step would not budge. Whacked on it with a 2" x 2" and a hammer until I thought of the situation I would be in if the mast step 'cracked' or a top portion broke off
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The local 'wisdom' speculated that Cape Dory might have used 3M 5200 (or like stuff). Some other CD'ers told me of a 5200 remover called "Anti-Bond". (Don't ask the 3M people, they 'no of nothing that will remove 5200'.) I ran out of winter before I could figure out how to get it crammed into the area between the mast step and the coach roof.
I'll look for the little can of 'Anti-Bond' and bring it to the General Membership meeting on the 10th.
Fair Winds,
Leo
macdore@aol.com
Had the same thought a few years ago and purchased a similar mast plate for my '77 CD30K.
Unstepped the mast, removed the 4 bolts and zilch. The mast step would not budge. Whacked on it with a 2" x 2" and a hammer until I thought of the situation I would be in if the mast step 'cracked' or a top portion broke off
( The local 'wisdom' speculated that Cape Dory might have used 3M 5200 (or like stuff). Some other CD'ers told me of a 5200 remover called "Anti-Bond". (Don't ask the 3M people, they 'no of nothing that will remove 5200'.) I ran out of winter before I could figure out how to get it crammed into the area between the mast step and the coach roof.
I'll look for the little can of 'Anti-Bond' and bring it to the General Membership meeting on the 10th.
Fair Winds,
Leo
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