Cape Dory Design Question

[Joel]

We want to move up from our Ty to a much larger boat, preferably one with two private berths. Our plan is to sell our weekend home and use the boat as such. At the Annapolis Boat show we saw many - virtually anything over about 32 feet had a private V-berth and another one under the cockpit. Looking at the brochures for the larger CDs that are accessible via this site, it appears that no CD has this. Is that the case?

Alberg's CD designs all minimize free-board. Did this limit room below the cockpit so that an aft berth was impractical?

Finally, if we want to keep in the same sailing family, i.e. full keel, robust construction, classic lines, does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks,

Joel
S/Y Pokey II
'73 Ty #549



bondy_joel@hotmail.com

[Ken Coit]

Joel,

What you need is a CD/40! Not many of them built, but Robinhood Marine would probably be delighted to accomdate you with a new one.

Ken

We want to move up from our Ty to a much larger boat, preferably one with two private berths. Our plan is to sell our weekend home and use the boat as such. At the Annapolis Boat show we saw many - virtually anything over about 32 feet had a private V-berth and another one under the cockpit. Looking at the brochures for the larger CDs that are accessible via this site, it appears that no CD has this. Is that the case?

Alberg's CD designs all minimize free-board. Did this limit room below the cockpit so that an aft berth was impractical?

Finally, if we want to keep in the same sailing family, i.e. full keel, robust construction, classic lines, does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks,

Joel
S/Y Pokey II
'73 Ty #549

parfait@nc.rr.com

[Neil Gordon]

>>We want to move up from our Ty to a much larger boat, preferably one with two private berths.<<

Can you define "much larger" and give us some idea of how you intend to use the boat? Is this intended to be waterfront property or will you be cruising? How many will be on board and for how long? What's your budget?

>>At the Annapolis Boat show ...<<

The boat shows are all about insides and not at all about sailing ability and seaworthyness.

>>Alberg's CD designs all minimize free-board. Did this limit room below the cockpit...?

An aft cabin requires head room... so either the boat gets bigger or you have to raise the cockpit sole. (Or worse, both raise it and move the cockpit forward.)

We cruise (up to a week or more) as a couple plus the pup and find the CD28 cozy and practical. It wouldn't be my choice for cruising with another couple or for more than an overnight or so with a family.


Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167



cdory28@aol.com

[Joel]

Good questions, all. I knew I should have been more specific - the contributors to this forum are a helpful and thoughtful lot!

Anyway, our current usage is all day sailing (what else, in a Ty?). As a replacement to a weekend lake home, I guess she would serve some as "waterfront property", but our goal is to become more of a weekend/coastal cruising family. Whenever we were at the lake house, we'd be wishing we were sailing! But as an example, I envision keeping her in Montauk and taking weekend sails to Block Island, to Mystic, CT or maybe to the Vineyard. Or perhaps another year in Port Jefferson and sailing to Montauk, Port Washingon, City Island or CT.

We have a 5 1/2 year old daughter and a yellow lab, J.R. I'm over 6'. We'd like to be able to have another couple over for company with some privacy for both couples - I figure any kids don't need it. At least I feel that way now, when Alexis becomes a teenager, I may rethink this!

We went to the Annapolis boat show to figure out how large a boat we would need. We found no 30s that would do. One 31 (the Beneteau 311), a couple of 32s or 33s. It seemed you had to get into a 34 or greater. Again, this is all just judging the below deck accommodations, not , as you say, "sailing ability and seaworthyness". I figured that research would be among the next steps.

I'll be looking for a "Good Old Boat". My budget is $30k to $40k. I've seen ads for lots of boats in the mid 30's, both in price and LOA.

This is all at the planning stage. We need to sell the house and the Ty first. My wife has this notion that I can't have more boats than we have family members. (She doesn't count the dog!) I already have the Ty, a small Wellcraft at the lake and a Prindle 16. Part of the idea is to simplify!

I hope all this helps. Thanks,

Joel



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[Nancy Martin]

We want to move up from our Ty to a much larger boat, preferably one with two private berths. Our plan is to sell our weekend home and use the boat as such. At the Annapolis Boat show we saw many - virtually anything over about 32 feet had a private V-berth and another one under the cockpit. Looking at the brochures for the larger CDs that are accessible via this site, it appears that no CD has this. Is that the case?

Alberg's CD designs all minimize free-board. Did this limit room below the cockpit so that an aft berth was impractical?

Finally, if we want to keep in the same sailing family, i.e. full keel, robust construction, classic lines, does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks,

Joel
S/Y Pokey II
'73 Ty #549

Joel,

We have gone from a CD22, to a CD28 [currently for sale] and just bought a CD31.
The 28 has room for 2 couples.....if you are very good friends. It is comparable to having a guest room in your home. Is the additional expense worth having a spare bed that is in use a couple of weeks out of the year?

Our 28 is set up for single handling. The bigger the boat the greater expense in outfitting and upkeep.
Nancy & John Martin





nancy.h.martin@worldnet.att.net

[Neil Gordon]

The CD28 would accomodate your family, including the pup. That would work as your daughter got older, as well. I know a couple that cruises in a CD27 and does just fine with their teen daughter. No pup, though. <g> Include anouther couple, and you've exceeded the comfortable accomodations of the boat.


Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167



cdory28@aol.com

[Larry DeMers]

Joel,

While you did detail your needs, you didn't talk about finances and their limits. A CD40 will be expensive, even previously owned, much less new. So I would discount that solution for now.
With your family size of Mom and Pop, Daughter and Dog, I think a CD33 or CD36 would be about right for longer trips, especially since you folks have experience in a Ty!

My wife and I sail a CD30c and love her to pieces. This summer, we took 2 separate 3 week trips (together) aboard our floating home, and we are still in love with each other after the trip. Our background includes 20 years of backpacking experience, and canoeing for 2-3 weeks at a time in the Boundary Waters Canoe Area of Northern Minn., where carrying only what you need and no more is the way of life. This helped a lot in getting our selves into the CD30 and ejoying that life to the extent we do. Since buying the boat we have added several amenities to the equipment list, and so are able to cruise for 3 weather seasons.

In your case, your daughter will be getting older, and may continue to go with you..or not. Teens have a way of opting to spend time with their friends on the weekends. Test the water on this, see if you think that she will be interested in future sails with you or if you will really be just a sailing couple with dog. The reason I bring this up is that teens do need a space of their own, or they tend to explode a lot. A quarter berth would suffice here. But I would present the opinion that the pull out berth in hte salon does not qualify for a 'place of their own', nor does it make a good bed for continuous or even prolonged use, as it is a real hassle to make up and take down every day, when compared to the V berth for instance.

Now I am not sure that the CD33 or 36 even have the quarter berth option, as that room tends to be taken with a needed lazarette in most Cape Dory's.

The feeling I got reading your requirements is that you could make do with a CD30, but the 33 or 36 would be a better fit. Their prices will be in the $30-45k area for the 30, $55-60k area for the 33 and the $75-100k area for the 36.

Cheers,

Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 ~~~Sailing Lake Superior~~~

We want to move up from our Ty to a much larger boat, preferably one with two private berths. Our plan is to sell our weekend home and use the boat as such. At the Annapolis Boat show we saw many - virtually anything over about 32 feet had a private V-berth and another one under the cockpit. Looking at the brochures for the larger CDs that are accessible via this site, it appears that no CD has this. Is that the case?

Alberg's CD designs all minimize free-board. Did this limit room below the cockpit so that an aft berth was impractical?

Finally, if we want to keep in the same sailing family, i.e. full keel, robust construction, classic lines, does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks,

Joel
S/Y Pokey II
'73 Ty #549

demers@sgi.com

[Catherine Monaghan]

Joel,

The CD32, 33, and 36 all have quarter berths. The quarter berth sleeps one and is open to the main cabin. Between the v-berth, quarter berth, and the two settees (one opens to a double berth on each the above-mentioned models), there's plenty of space for two couples onboard, albeit close, for up to a week. There's plenty of room for 3 on cruises of 2 weeks or longer.

The CD40 and 45 have enclosed aft cabins which contain a double-berth.


catherine_monaghan@merck.com
CD32 <a href="http://www.hometown.aol.com/bcomet/real ... ization</a>, #3
Rahway, NJ
Raritan Bay

We want to move up from our Ty to a much larger boat, preferably one with two private berths. Our plan is to sell our weekend home and use the boat as such. At the Annapolis Boat show we saw many - virtually anything over about 32 feet had a private V-berth and another one under the cockpit. Looking at the brochures for the larger CDs that are accessible via this site, it appears that no CD has this. Is that the case?

Alberg's CD designs all minimize free-board. Did this limit room below the cockpit so that an aft berth was impractical?

Finally, if we want to keep in the same sailing family, i.e. full keel, robust construction, classic lines, does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks,

Joel
S/Y Pokey II
'73 Ty #549

catherine_monaghan@merck.com

[Dave]

I think a nother area that you would need to look at is the cost of keeping a larger boat. I have a CD 25 and got quotes this fall for winter storage and it was ranging from 25 to 45 dollars a foot. Unless you are able to get someone to hall it out and you are able to keep it at your house, that would save you a considerable about of money.

Dave

Good questions, all. I knew I should have been more specific - the contributors to this forum are a helpful and thoughtful lot!

Anyway, our current usage is all day sailing (what else, in a Ty?). As a replacement to a weekend lake home, I guess she would serve some as "waterfront property", but our goal is to become more of a weekend/coastal cruising family. Whenever we were at the lake house, we'd be wishing we were sailing! But as an example, I envision keeping her in Montauk and taking weekend sails to Block Island, to Mystic, CT or maybe to the Vineyard. Or perhaps another year in Port Jefferson and sailing to Montauk, Port Washingon, City Island or CT.

We have a 5 1/2 year old daughter and a yellow lab, J.R. I'm over 6'. We'd like to be able to have another couple over for company with some privacy for both couples - I figure any kids don't need it. At least I feel that way now, when Alexis becomes a teenager, I may rethink this!

We went to the Annapolis boat show to figure out how large a boat we would need. We found no 30s that would do. One 31 (the Beneteau 311), a couple of 32s or 33s. It seemed you had to get into a 34 or greater. Again, this is all just judging the below deck accommodations, not , as you say, "sailing ability and seaworthyness". I figured that research would be among the next steps.

I'll be looking for a "Good Old Boat". My budget is $30k to $40k. I've seen ads for lots of boats in the mid 30's, both in price and LOA.

This is all at the planning stage. We need to sell the house and the Ty first. My wife has this notion that I can't have more boats than we have family members. (She doesn't count the dog!) I already have the Ty, a small Wellcraft at the lake and a Prindle 16. Part of the idea is to simplify!

I hope all this helps. Thanks,

Joel

ddsailor25@ureach.com

[Boyd]

I found that looking at lots of different boats really helped me develop a sense of what I wanted and what would work for me. I suggest you look at a CD30 MkII.. they are scarce but worth considering. About 30% more space than a 30. Seperate stall shower, Seperate v-berth, Quarter berth, good galley, etc. If you ever get to Fort Lauderdale drop by and you can look at mine.

Boyd

We want to move up from our Ty to a much larger boat, preferably one with two private berths. Our plan is to sell our weekend home and use the boat as such. At the Annapolis Boat show we saw many - virtually anything over about 32 feet had a private V-berth and another one under the cockpit. Looking at the brochures for the larger CDs that are accessible via this site, it appears that no CD has this. Is that the case?

Alberg's CD designs all minimize free-board. Did this limit room below the cockpit so that an aft berth was impractical?

Finally, if we want to keep in the same sailing family, i.e. full keel, robust construction, classic lines, does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks,

Joel
S/Y Pokey II
'73 Ty #549

tern30@aol.com

[Patrick Turner]

I think you have to be realistic about your budget. If what you really have is 30-40k and you want to stay in the Cape Dory family, the CD30 is about as far as you can go...realistically. I know of a family (2 adults & 2 kids) in Oriental NC. that weekend cruised on a CD30 for years. They have since moved up to a CD33. I thnk the CD30 would feel small for you and the next practical stup up would be the 32 or 33......it's going to mean more money tho. You might find something bigger out there in the 30-40k price range, but realize that the price probably reflects the general condition of the boat and that a cheap initial price may bring with it more expenses down wind when you start to replace cushions, canvass,sails, rigging, etc.....which you will do. I think that you really need to be in about the 60k range of Cape Dory's befor you get to the size and condition of boat your looking for. That could find you a CD32 or 33 i n reasonable condition and those would suit your needs just fine I think.

You have to be realistic about what your really going to use the boat for....that can be tough.
Decide on what kind of boat will fill that need....offshore cruiser or coastal weekender
Be realistic about budget

There are lots of boats out there as you no doubt are aware. Consider everything. I use to turn my nose up at Hunters, but a friend of mine (big German guy) bought a 40' Hunter legend and that thing sails great! He sails it in San Francisco Bay and up and down the coast out here and it is always pretty windy and good seas. The boat handles just fine. Just an observation.

Good Luck.

Pat
ps. there's a CD330 for sale on YachtWorld asking $69k....that's asking. It's a lot more then your budget, but those are really nice boats and this one looks pretty well setup.....they'd probably take 60.



patrick.t@home.com

[Stan W.]

You might be able to find a used fin keel boat with an aft cabin in that price range (e.g. Catalina, Hunter). To find a full keel boat with an aft cabin in that price range, you probably would have to go with an older center cockpit design (not everyone's cup of tea aesthetically). I can't think of any aft cabin, aft cockpit, full keel boats in that price range. If you are prepared to spend more, Island Packet is the first name that comes to my mind.



smwheatley@capecod.net

[Olli Wendelin]

Joel,

I too was looking around at the show last weekend. The only boat there with design concepts similar to Cape Dorys was the Hinkley 42. Low freeboard, narrow beam, smooth ride, and smallish belowdecks.

The trend is to maximize the hotel accomodations. To get large airy settes and dual staterooms you need wide beams and high freeboard, or a very large boat. This is just fine for light air, smooth seas, or entertaining at the dock. As the wind and seas pick up the motion gets rough and erratic. A wide beamed fin keel boat in moderate seas is similar to beating through waves in a flat bottomed boat.

My recommendation based on your description and budget would be a CD28, 30 or 33. If your budget is 40K, I would spend no more than 30K on the boat, and leave 10K for outfitting. For the occasional weekend guests you can certainly press the sette bunk into service. In 5 or 6 years you may decide to move up, but you will have much more experience for selecting a larger (and much more expensive) boat.

Olli Wendelin
BLUE MOON
Charleston, SC







wendelin@spawar.navy.mil

[Bill Michne]

We want to move up from our Ty to a much larger boat, preferably one with two private berths. Our plan is to sell our weekend home and use the boat as such. At the Annapolis Boat show we saw many - virtually anything over about 32 feet had a private V-berth and another one under the cockpit. Looking at the brochures for the larger CDs that are accessible via this site, it appears that no CD has this. Is that the case?

Alberg's CD designs all minimize free-board. Did this limit room below the cockpit so that an aft berth was impractical?

Finally, if we want to keep in the same sailing family, i.e. full keel, robust construction, classic lines, does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks,

Joel
S/Y Pokey II
'73 Ty #549

Joel:

Buy the biggest CD you can find/afford. We sailed a CD31 for 5 years and found it a little tight for the two of us. So we moved up to a CD40 and never regretted it. Don't move up in steps. It will cost you more in the long run. Good luck.

Bill




wmichne@msn.com