CD25 Dry dock storage

[Capt JT]

Since I may be forced to set happy daze on the hard myself this winter are there any suggestions as to size and number of stands I would need? I believe when I found her last year she was set on only 4. Does this sound right? I know some sites say for a full keel you do not need the 5th bow stand. Any suggestions would be appreciated from even the "pirates" on the board!



laton@ynhh.com

[Bruce Bett]

I don't think you need a fifth under the bow, but I would consider 3 on each side. Sostenuto come with a trailer with 3 jacks on a side. I feel very comfortable every spring backing off 2 on one side and one on the other and painting under the pads.

Bruce Bett
Sostenuto
CD25 #496

Since I may be forced to set happy daze on the hard myself this winter are there any suggestions as to size and number of stands I would need? I believe when I found her last year she was set on only 4. Does this sound right? I know some sites say for a full keel you do not need the 5th bow stand. Any suggestions would be appreciated from even the "pirates" on the board!

bettb@macomb.cc.mi.us

[Warren Kaplan]

Since I may be forced to set happy daze on the hard myself this winter are there any suggestions as to size and number of stands I would need? I believe when I found her last year she was set on only 4. Does this sound right? I know some sites say for a full keel you do not need the 5th bow stand. Any suggestions would be appreciated from even the "pirates" on the board!

Capt JT,
My CD27 was only on 4 stands I believe. According to the yard manager last winter, the important thing is to have the weight of the boat resting on the keel. The stands are only to keep the boat from falling over. They placed a big wooden block under the keel for the keel to rest on. Then they placed the 4 stands. Make sure the stands aren't involved with your thru hull openings. My yard also had a chain going from the starboard stand to the port stand (went under the boat) I guess to keep the stands from possibly falling. Frankly, the chains were so slack that I doubt they really do anything. Again, the main thing is to have the boat's weight resting on the keel.
Hope this helps.

Warren Kaplan
S/S Sine Qua Non
CD27



Setsail728@aol.com

[Jim]

I have a CD25. She rests her keel on two well spaced blocks of wood fore and aft. 4 stands hold her up. A square of plywood under each leg of the stand and a chain across from each stand to it's mate (port to starboard) will prevent the stands from shifting as the ground freezes, thaws, turns to mud and dries. I was able to remove one stand at a time leaving three when I painted. (made me nervous when the owner of the yard did this for me but no problems at all)



jmyers@styluscentral.com

[Capt JT]

Thanks to all my Cape Dorians for another round of "confidence building" solutions for keeping Happy Daze on an even keel.. even while she sleeps through the New England winter... Now off to find stands/poppets.



laton@ynhh.com

[Bill Goldsmith]

Warren,

I read your comments, and agree that no weight should be on stands but for just enough to hold boat upright and balanced. Please note that the chains are extremely important. While they may be slack and doing nothing most of the time, in the event the boat or stands were to shift (water runoff, hurricane, earthquake, car backs into them, sloppy yard practices), the chains hold the two opposing stands together, creating a "cradle" effect. Obviously if they are TOO slack they won't help; they should be tightened to the last available link in the slots on the stands. They ought to be checked several times each winter.

Bill

Since I may be forced to set happy daze on the hard myself this winter are there any suggestions as to size and number of stands I would need? I believe when I found her last year she was set on only 4. Does this sound right? I know some sites say for a full keel you do not need the 5th bow stand. Any suggestions would be appreciated from even the "pirates" on the board!

Capt JT,
My CD27 was only on 4 stands I believe. According to the yard manager last winter, the important thing is to have the weight of the boat resting on the keel. The stands are only to keep the boat from falling over. They placed a big wooden block under the keel for the keel to rest on. Then they placed the 4 stands. Make sure the stands aren't involved with your thru hull openings. My yard also had a chain going from the starboard stand to the port stand (went under the boat) I guess to keep the stands from possibly falling. Frankly, the chains were so slack that I doubt they really do anything. Again, the main thing is to have the boat's weight resting on the keel.
Hope this helps.

Warren Kaplan
S/S Sine Qua Non
CD27

goldy@bestweb.net

[Warren Kaplan]

Warren,

I read your comments, and agree that no weight should be on stands but for just enough to hold boat upright and balanced. Please note that the chains are extremely important. While they may be slack and doing nothing most of the time, in the event the boat or stands were to shift (water runoff, hurricane, earthquake, car backs into them, sloppy yard practices), the chains hold the two opposing stands together, creating a "cradle" effect. Obviously if they are TOO slack they won't help; they should be tightened to the last available link in the slots on the stands. They ought to be checked several times each winter.

Bill

Bill,
The chains last year were way too slack to serve any useful purpose. I suppose I was fortunate that the yard surface was cement so at least I did have to worry about the stands shifting in mud, etc. I'll be at a different yard this year and I'll be sure to check my chains regularly. Of all the hazards we have to avoid with these boats, on the water or on the hard, if would be a shame for a boat to be wrecked because some stands shifted!
Thanks for the input, Bill.

Warren



Setsail728@aol.com

[Bill Goldsmith]

Capt. JT,

Brownell, Inc. in Mattapoisett, MA makes and sells boat stands. They are the same ones sold by West Marine but at a fraction of the cost.

On Second Chance I ALWAYS use a bow stand. On a real full keel boat it would be superfluous but Cape Dorys are not "full keel" boats. They are "cutaway forefoot full keel" boats. It is the cutaway forefoot that introduces the possibility of rocking forward while on the hard. Note also that most of the lead weight is in the forward-most portion of the keel, so the ballast provides little counter-balance to rocking forward. If you do use four stands, the forward two stands are all that prevent rocking forward, so position them as far forward as feasible while still maintaining enough beam to provide stability, and use a good chain. However, I would caution against walking on deck forward of the forward stands while blocked. Should you need to get on the foredeck or go in the v-berth I would recommend borrowing or buying a bow stand.

Enjoy what's left in the season!!

Bill Goldsmith
CD27 #173
Second Chance

Since I may be forced to set happy daze on the hard myself this winter are there any suggestions as to size and number of stands I would need? I believe when I found her last year she was set on only 4. Does this sound right? I know some sites say for a full keel you do not need the 5th bow stand. Any suggestions would be appreciated from even the "pirates" on the board!

goldy@bestweb.net

[Jon]

The stands should be 36" sailboat stands. I've seen CD25s on powerboat stands, but I wouldn't recommend it. I like the optional 5th stand with a V top up front. Some pressure treated 4x6's doubled up in two places should carry all the weight of the boat through the keel, as mentioned in earlier posts.

Cheers,
Jon
CD25 Sovereign



[img]http://www.sailorjon.net/images/standsabeam.jpg[/img]

[Don Carr]

Defender in Waterford also sells them, might be a shorter drive. As far as shipping they aren't light.



carrds@us.ibm.com

[Mark Yashinsky]

Looking @ Jon's CD25, notice how far back the front of the keel, the pivot point, is, and like Goldsmith said, most of the keel weight is forward, near this pivot point. Now imagine walking forward w/o the bow stand. Is this a CD25D, which has a lump of cast iron to counter balance the weight forward??? Have been on the bow of Goldsmith's CD27 w/ a 2 cylinder lump of cast iron and w/ full fuel tank and he has seen the boat shift slightly forward, digging into the bow sstand. As for the safety chain, some yard require it (suprised Goldsmith didnt say anything about this), as they have boats wedged in tight to each other, just like dominos. Imagine one going over??? Its not only the weight involved, think of the GUSTY winter winds smacking you square on the beam w/ a load of snow/ice on board. You now have a lot of windage, unlike when she is in the water. Think about the stands on relatively smooth concrete to dig into, during these gust. Might be a cheap insurance policy of a good sailing year next year. Note: It has been said to position the stand pads against bulkheads, to prevent hull indentations. Dont know where a forward bulkhead is on a CD25, but cannot imagine its that far forward for stands to act like a bow stand.

[Capt JT]

My club just informed me they have no room for my boat there this year (where I would have to supply the stands) So it looks like I will have to go a commercial yard in the New Haven CT area... Wish I could have Happy Daze next to me in my yard.. perhaps I should check out the hauling/transport charges vs a commercial yard !

Thanks for the info Jon,

John

The stands should be 36" sailboat stands. I've seen CD25s on powerboat stands, but I wouldn't recommend it. I like the optional 5th stand with a V top up front. Some pressure treated 4x6's doubled up in two places should carry all the weight of the boat through the keel, as mentioned in earlier posts.

Cheers,
Jon
CD25 Sovereign

laton@ynhh.com

[Mark Yashinsky]

People have trailers for CD27's, so its not that outlandish. Could do everything except where the trailer supports are (non moveable). Rent a truck for the day to haul the trailer, twice a year. Compare to winter storage rates at your club or commercial yard.

[Neil Gordon]

>>I was able to remove one stand at a time leaving three when I painted.<<

Better practice is to place a spare stand next to the one you want to remove.

At my marina, we just leave the stands in place. I leave some paint and the launching crew fills in under the stands when the boat is transferred to the trailer.


Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167



cdory28@aol.com

[Capt JT]

Thanks.. Perhaps I can hire a person with an extended arm tilt trailer to run it up to my house.... now I am thinking Not a bad idea if I can find one.

Thanks again.. got the thought juices flowing..

People have trailers for CD27's, so its not that outlandish. Could do everything except where the trailer supports are (non moveable). Rent a truck for the day to haul the trailer, twice a year. Compare to winter storage rates at your club or commercial yard.