I currently am planning on replacing my old Hiller alcohol stove on my cd 33 with a propane one. The major problem is deciding how to handle the propane storage.Would be interested in any tips from someone who has done similar project. Also, any tips on the best replacement. In looking @ literature, it appears that seaward/hiller makes a propane stove to same dimensions as original. I also am looking at broadwater marine.
jbeth@bellsouth.net
conversion of alcohol to propane on cd 33
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Joe Wysong
Re: conversion of alcohol to propane on cd 33
Before our CD330, we had a Pacific Seacraft Dana. It came with a Dickinson Kerosene stove with oven and pressure storage tank. After one season, I replaced it with an Origo three burner alcohol stove with oven. Non-pressurized, it was, in my opinion, the cat's pajamas.joe ethridge wrote: I currently am planning on replacing my old Hiller alcohol stove on my cd 33 with a propane one. The major problem is deciding how to handle the propane storage.Would be interested in any tips from someone who has done similar project. Also, any tips on the best replacement. In looking @ literature, it appears that seaward/hiller makes a propane stove to same dimensions as original. I also am looking at broadwater marine.
Our CD330 came with a propane storage locker (and stove) in the aft starboard corner of the boat. It all has been working well for the past ten years, but with all the bells and whistles (gas sensors, solenoid shut offs, etc., etc.,), if things ever need replacing, I'll go right back to an Origo.
Joe
tgjournal@gestalt.org
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John R.
Re: conversion of alcohol to propane on cd 33
I agree with Joe. On a previous boat I installed a two burner Origo. It was a great little stove. The simplest thing in the world, you could say it worked like a Zippo lighter in a way. Just fill the fiber filled canister with fuel and light away. Worked great, hotter than a typical alcohol stove also. The drawback though is that it is not as hot as CNG or propane (being the hottest). The debate I think centers around heat vs safety!Joe Wysong wrote:Before our CD330, we had a Pacific Seacraft Dana. It came with a Dickinson Kerosene stove with oven and pressure storage tank. After one season, I replaced it with an Origo three burner alcohol stove with oven. Non-pressurized, it was, in my opinion, the cat's pajamas.joe ethridge wrote: I currently am planning on replacing my old Hiller alcohol stove on my cd 33 with a propane one. The major problem is deciding how to handle the propane storage.Would be interested in any tips from someone who has done similar project. Also, any tips on the best replacement. In looking @ literature, it appears that seaward/hiller makes a propane stove to same dimensions as original. I also am looking at broadwater marine.
Our CD330 came with a propane storage locker (and stove) in the aft starboard corner of the boat. It all has been working well for the past ten years, but with all the bells and whistles (gas sensors, solenoid shut offs, etc., etc.,), if things ever need replacing, I'll go right back to an Origo.
Joe
On our CD30 we have the factory CNG system and I love it but if I had a choice I'd take the - safety first issue - any day myself.
Even though my CNG is lighter than air I still have much concern about the safety issue. I use a Xintex S2 solenoid /sniffer control as an extra margin of safety.
If I didn't already have that installed I'd go for the Origo. No propane....I don't have a need for baking a turkey on board! If we were talking about an RV that is a different matter altogether.
If I had to choose a propane stove I'd be tempted to buy the Broadwater, it's a beautiful piece. But I don't know about getting parts in the future because they are made in Australia or NZ I think. That would make me a little disinclined.
Maybe Olli Wendellin will see your post and he can give you more feedback on the Broadwater, he has one in his CD30.
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Brian W.
Re: conversion of alcohol to propane on cd 33
a boat we chartered last summer had a Coleman propane camp stove on board to use when you wanted to make coffee and the like and didn't want to fire up the big stove. it was so simple to use we found it an ideal solution for our 33. as such we bought a Kenyon Butane Stove from West ($64). You can slide it in the space under the built in stove when not in use (and secure it with some type of fasteners). might not be what you're looking for, but a simple solution for when you don't feel like getting the bike pump out and priming the alcohol stove.
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Bruce Janssen
Re: conversion of alcohol to propane on cd 33
I recently put a propane system on my CD 25D and ajoe ethridge wrote: I currently am planning on replacing my old Hiller alcohol stove on my cd 33 with a propane one. The major problem is deciding how to handle the propane storage.Would be interested in any tips from someone who has done similar project. Also, any tips on the best replacement. In looking @ literature, it appears that seaward/hiller makes a propane stove to same dimensions as original. I also am looking at broadwater marine.
broadwater 2 burner with oven its a work of art and cooks very well. I mounted a aluminum horizontal tank on the stern with a propane sniffer and remote soliniod. The plumbing was tedius and expensive about $600 for tank reg sniffer hoses fittings. I bought the Broadwater from Doc Freemans in Seattle and I highly recommend them - they have a web site and galley catalog and very good personel. They have beat West Marines prices buy as much as 50%. Look at some photos at www.PictureTrail.com/brucejanssen good luck
bvj@rkymtnhi.com
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Tom
Re: conversion of alcohol to propane on cd 33
My 31 came with CNG which is totally impractical if you're planning any real cruising. Can't be found in most foreign countries. I switched to propane about 10 years ago. I built a propane locker into the top of the lazarette which was wasted space anyway. You can still pile up the lazarette through the normal hatch/seat, but the top of it up under the deck where you couldn't reach anyway is now a propane locker. I built it big enough that it holds two vertical aluminum propane tanks, with storage alongside for propane cannisters, wrench, etc. It's air tight with a drain above the waterline through the transom. The hoses to the stove and wires for the remote shut off run down the starboard side through the cockpit lockers and into the galley.
TomCambria@mindspring.com
joe ethridge wrote: I currently am planning on replacing my old Hiller alcohol stove on my cd 33 with a propane one. The major problem is deciding how to handle the propane storage.Would be interested in any tips from someone who has done similar project. Also, any tips on the best replacement. In looking @ literature, it appears that seaward/hiller makes a propane stove to same dimensions as original. I also am looking at broadwater marine.
TomCambria@mindspring.com
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billy
Re: conversion of alcohol to propane on cd 33
those butane stoves are nifty, but i don't know about using them underway.for a better deal than west marine, , try buying them at camping stores, only $40. gas $7 for 4 cartrigesBrian W. wrote: a boat we chartered last summer had a Coleman propane camp stove on board to use when you wanted to make coffee and the like and didn't want to fire up the big stove. it was so simple to use we found it an ideal solution for our 33. as such we bought a Kenyon Butane Stove from West ($64). You can slide it in the space under the built in stove when not in use (and secure it with some type of fasteners). might not be what you're looking for, but a simple solution for when you don't feel like getting the bike pump out and priming the alcohol stove.
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cptn seaweed
Re: conversion of alcohol to propane on cd 33
Have to tell of a simple conversion we did. Took the rubber hose off the alcohol tank, put the end of a propane torch in the hose with a hose clamp & screw a small propane tank into the torch fitting. Light the stove, using the same alcohol burners & it works great. When done, turn off the flow at the tank & when the flame goes out, remove the tank & store it on the poop deck. Cost about $10 if you buy a brand new torch. time involved 15 minutes. it works, but I'm no engineer so can't tell you about the alcohol burners & how long they will last. John CD31 #18John R. wrote:I agree with Joe. On a previous boat I installed a two burner Origo. It was a great little stove. The simplest thing in the world, you could say it worked like a Zippo lighter in a way. Just fill the fiber filled canister with fuel and light away. Worked great, hotter than a typical alcohol stove also. The drawback though is that it is not as hot as CNG or propane (being the hottest). The debate I think centers around heat vs safety!Joe Wysong wrote:Before our CD330, we had a Pacific Seacraft Dana. It came with a Dickinson Kerosene stove with oven and pressure storage tank. After one season, I replaced it with an Origo three burner alcohol stove with oven. Non-pressurized, it was, in my opinion, the cat's pajamas.joe ethridge wrote: I currently am planning on replacing my old Hiller alcohol stove on my cd 33 with a propane one. The major problem is deciding how to handle the propane storage.Would be interested in any tips from someone who has done similar project. Also, any tips on the best replacement. In looking @ literature, it appears that seaward/hiller makes a propane stove to same dimensions as original. I also am looking at broadwater marine.
Our CD330 came with a propane storage locker (and stove) in the aft starboard corner of the boat. It all has been working well for the past ten years, but with all the bells and whistles (gas sensors, solenoid shut offs, etc., etc.,), if things ever need replacing, I'll go right back to an Origo.
Joe
On our CD30 we have the factory CNG system and I love it but if I had a choice I'd take the - safety first issue - any day myself.
Even though my CNG is lighter than air I still have much concern about the safety issue. I use a Xintex S2 solenoid /sniffer control as an extra margin of safety.
If I didn't already have that installed I'd go for the Origo. No propane....I don't have a need for baking a turkey on board! If we were talking about an RV that is a different matter altogether.
If I had to choose a propane stove I'd be tempted to buy the Broadwater, it's a beautiful piece. But I don't know about getting parts in the future because they are made in Australia or NZ I think. That would make me a little disinclined.
Maybe Olli Wendellin will see your post and he can give you more feedback on the Broadwater, he has one in his CD30.
redzeplin@yahoo.com
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FrankV
Propane Bottle Storage on our CD33
Joe:
Our CD33 came with the propane upgrade. The prior owner decided to store the LPG bottles in a deck box forward of the mast in the flat space between the V-Berth hatch and the Dorade box cowl vents. The box holds two 6lb bottles laying horizontal side-by-side. It measures approx. 30"x24"x8" and is detailed with varnished teak legs that match the rest of the brightwork. The only drawback to locating the bottles so far from the galley is the lengthy run of the supply hose and automatic solenoid valve control you might want to install.
I have 20+ pictures of Sirius posted on a Yahoo site. You can see the box and its position on the deck. The location does not affect air flow into the cowl vents nor does it obstruct forward vision from the cockpit. This is the link:
http://photos.yahoo.com/vernetf
The best pix to see the box are 1, 10, 16, 18, 19 20 & 21.
Hope this helps a bit.
Frank Vernet
C/O Sirius
CD33 #84
[img]http://photos.yahoo.com/vernetf[/img]
frank.vernet@bmdo.osd.mil
Our CD33 came with the propane upgrade. The prior owner decided to store the LPG bottles in a deck box forward of the mast in the flat space between the V-Berth hatch and the Dorade box cowl vents. The box holds two 6lb bottles laying horizontal side-by-side. It measures approx. 30"x24"x8" and is detailed with varnished teak legs that match the rest of the brightwork. The only drawback to locating the bottles so far from the galley is the lengthy run of the supply hose and automatic solenoid valve control you might want to install.
I have 20+ pictures of Sirius posted on a Yahoo site. You can see the box and its position on the deck. The location does not affect air flow into the cowl vents nor does it obstruct forward vision from the cockpit. This is the link:
http://photos.yahoo.com/vernetf
The best pix to see the box are 1, 10, 16, 18, 19 20 & 21.
Hope this helps a bit.
Frank Vernet
C/O Sirius
CD33 #84
[img]http://photos.yahoo.com/vernetf[/img]
frank.vernet@bmdo.osd.mil
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Olli Wendelin
Re: conversion of alcohol to propane on cd 33
Joe,
I backfitted a propane system on my CD30 a few years back. When I bought the boat it had a camper stove on gimbals with a small propane torch bottle. Dangerous. I ended up with a stove from Broadwater Marine. It's the Schooner model, a full size 4 burner with oven. It's the best marine stove I have seen. It has electronic ignition and thermocouple valves at all burners to prevent leakage if the flame blows out. For a CD30 or 33 a 2 burner might be more appropriate, but I got a good deal from another boater. The large oven will bake a pizza in no time. When or if I ever change boats, I will probably take the stove with me.
As to the propane system, I built a box hanging off my stern pulpit for a 6 lb aluminum bottle. I also have a solenoid valve in the box run to a Trident LP Gas Control & Detection System with I got from West Marine. It has a detector which I mounted below the stove. I ran a propane hose from the box though a bulkhead fitting mounted in the deck and forward to the stove. I was careful to clamp the hose about every 2 ft and install split hose over it at any possible chafe points.
In retrospec I would get an aluminum bottle the same size as the popular gas grill bottles so I could swap with one on a long trip. Mounting the bottle on the aft rail is probably safest, but it clutters the rail and adds to the weight aft. If I had a bigger boat I would try mounting the bottle on deck near the mast.
Olli Wendelin
BLUE MOON
Charleston, SC
wendelin@spawar.navy.mil
I backfitted a propane system on my CD30 a few years back. When I bought the boat it had a camper stove on gimbals with a small propane torch bottle. Dangerous. I ended up with a stove from Broadwater Marine. It's the Schooner model, a full size 4 burner with oven. It's the best marine stove I have seen. It has electronic ignition and thermocouple valves at all burners to prevent leakage if the flame blows out. For a CD30 or 33 a 2 burner might be more appropriate, but I got a good deal from another boater. The large oven will bake a pizza in no time. When or if I ever change boats, I will probably take the stove with me.
As to the propane system, I built a box hanging off my stern pulpit for a 6 lb aluminum bottle. I also have a solenoid valve in the box run to a Trident LP Gas Control & Detection System with I got from West Marine. It has a detector which I mounted below the stove. I ran a propane hose from the box though a bulkhead fitting mounted in the deck and forward to the stove. I was careful to clamp the hose about every 2 ft and install split hose over it at any possible chafe points.
In retrospec I would get an aluminum bottle the same size as the popular gas grill bottles so I could swap with one on a long trip. Mounting the bottle on the aft rail is probably safest, but it clutters the rail and adds to the weight aft. If I had a bigger boat I would try mounting the bottle on deck near the mast.
Olli Wendelin
BLUE MOON
Charleston, SC
wendelin@spawar.navy.mil
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Capt Gasman
Re: conversion of alcohol to propane on cd 33
Having spent my career in the gas industry, there is an old story that applies all to well here about a man who takes up parachuting lessons.
He leaps out of the plane for his first solo jump and pulls and pulls on the ripcord to no avail.
Panic stricken he sees the odd sight of a man shooting up towards him.
"Hey" yells out the parachutist, do you know anything about ripcords?
"No" says the ascending gentleman, "Do you know anything about repairing gas stoves?"
This situation uses a stove in a manner other then it was specified for, with a higher BTU fuel then it was designed for and without approved connections, regulators or shut offs.
Trying not to get personal this proposal is dangerous and looking for trouble.
If you must go this route do you, your crew and boats anchored nearby a favor and purchase a portable propane stove and use it on deck.
There are too many horror stories about propane Including a cockpit explosion from a leaky fitting to a stove. The individual involved was hospitalized to treat severe burns to legs, abdomen and
face.
On the other hand you can relax. If you make a mistake with propane, you may never live to know it.
Nantucketbound@yahoo.com
He leaps out of the plane for his first solo jump and pulls and pulls on the ripcord to no avail.
Panic stricken he sees the odd sight of a man shooting up towards him.
"Hey" yells out the parachutist, do you know anything about ripcords?
"No" says the ascending gentleman, "Do you know anything about repairing gas stoves?"
This situation uses a stove in a manner other then it was specified for, with a higher BTU fuel then it was designed for and without approved connections, regulators or shut offs.
Trying not to get personal this proposal is dangerous and looking for trouble.
If you must go this route do you, your crew and boats anchored nearby a favor and purchase a portable propane stove and use it on deck.
There are too many horror stories about propane Including a cockpit explosion from a leaky fitting to a stove. The individual involved was hospitalized to treat severe burns to legs, abdomen and
face.
On the other hand you can relax. If you make a mistake with propane, you may never live to know it.
Nantucketbound@yahoo.com
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Joe Mac Phee
Horizontal propane bottles
Just a reminder to everyone, if you need to mount a pressurized propane (LPG) tank horizontally, you must use a tank specificlly intended to be horizontal. The tank contains both vapor and liquid, and the gas appliance wants only vapor. Different LPG tanks are available which wil recover vapor either in a horizontal or a vertical position, do not mix them up. In the event of an accident, your insurance company will likely not cover misuse of the tank.
Happy cooking,
Joe Mac Phee
S/V Iolanthe
CD-30 K
jvmacphee@aol.com
Happy cooking,
Joe Mac Phee
S/V Iolanthe
CD-30 K
jvmacphee@aol.com
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Chris Scheck
Re: conversion of alcohol to propane on cd 33
Olli -Olli Wendelin wrote: Joe,
I backfitted a propane system on my CD30 a few years back. When I bought the boat it had a camper stove on gimbals with a small propane torch bottle. Dangerous. I ended up with a stove from Broadwater Marine. It's the Schooner model, a full size 4 burner with oven. It's the best marine stove I have seen. It has electronic ignition and thermocouple valves at all burners to prevent leakage if the flame blows out. For a CD30 or 33 a 2 burner might be more appropriate, but I got a good deal from another boater. The large oven will bake a pizza in no time. When or if I ever change boats, I will probably take the stove with me.
As to the propane system, I built a box hanging off my stern pulpit for a 6 lb aluminum bottle. I also have a solenoid valve in the box run to a Trident LP Gas Control & Detection System with I got from West Marine. It has a detector which I mounted below the stove. I ran a propane hose from the box though a bulkhead fitting mounted in the deck and forward to the stove. I was careful to clamp the hose about every 2 ft and install split hose over it at any possible chafe points.
In retrospec I would get an aluminum bottle the same size as the popular gas grill bottles so I could swap with one on a long trip. Mounting the bottle on the aft rail is probably safest, but it clutters the rail and adds to the weight aft. If I had a bigger boat I would try mounting the bottle on deck near the mast.
Olli Wendelin
BLUE MOON
Charleston, SC
Is the Broadwater that stove made in Australia? The one with polished brass trim and a wooden door handle?
On our 1984 CD33 the propane tanks are in the starboard cockpit locker. It is sealed at every joint, with a drain hose vented overboard. Plus the electric solenoid. Does this seem safe enough to you?
Chris Scheck
CD33 #117
Ragtime
cscheck@aol.com
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Olli Wendelin
Re: conversion of alcohol to propane on cd 33
Chris,
The Broadwater is made in Australia. Here is their site: http://www.nor.com.au/business/stoves/.
Your built-in locker is certainly adequate. The built in lockers are easier to incorporate while the boat is built. When retrofiting to propane it's much harder. Thats why you see deck mounted tanks.
Don't have a web page, but e-mail me if you want a picture of the installation.
Olli Wendelin
BLUE MOON
Charleston, SC
wendelin@spawar.navy.mil
The Broadwater is made in Australia. Here is their site: http://www.nor.com.au/business/stoves/.
Your built-in locker is certainly adequate. The built in lockers are easier to incorporate while the boat is built. When retrofiting to propane it's much harder. Thats why you see deck mounted tanks.
Don't have a web page, but e-mail me if you want a picture of the installation.
Olli Wendelin
BLUE MOON
Charleston, SC
wendelin@spawar.navy.mil
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Chris Scheck
Your bimini ...
Frank,
enjoyed looking at your pictures because I am thinking of getting a bimini for Ragtime, our CD33 #117. Would you mind telling me anything you can about it? Who made it, how much it cost, anything you would do differently if you did it again, whether it interferes with tacking, etc.
Also, it looks as if your interior is all varnished. Is that true? I am freshening up our interior and am wondering whether to oil or varnish. What do you think? Also, how did you do your floor? It looks beautiful. Thanks.
Chris Scheck
Ragtime
CD33 #117
cscheck@aol.com
enjoyed looking at your pictures because I am thinking of getting a bimini for Ragtime, our CD33 #117. Would you mind telling me anything you can about it? Who made it, how much it cost, anything you would do differently if you did it again, whether it interferes with tacking, etc.
Also, it looks as if your interior is all varnished. Is that true? I am freshening up our interior and am wondering whether to oil or varnish. What do you think? Also, how did you do your floor? It looks beautiful. Thanks.
Chris Scheck
Ragtime
CD33 #117
cscheck@aol.com