In a previous thread about staysail trim, mention was made of broad reaching with the yankee poled out to windward and the staysail out to leeward (CD30 cutter). On my CD30 cutter, I like to broad reach that way, but I have yet to figure out a good way to "vang" down the staysail boom when it is off the wind. So I pose this question to the other Captains on the board. Has anyone figured out a way to do this? Thanks.
Carl Jones
Spanish Eyes (CD30)
GreatCells@aol.com
Vanging down the staysail boom
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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d. Stump, Hanalei
Re: Broad reaching...no, wing & wing...yes...
Captain Jones,
I dought if you could broad reach with any sail to windward. Maybe you are confused, do you mean running? If you are dead down wind, it is possible to run wing and wing, main to leward, and jib (generally the yankee) to windward. You probably wouldn't need the stays'l for this point of sail as it would confound the yankee. Some do rig a preventer stay to the club footed jib if that is all you are flying foward other than the main. Keeps the stays'l from collapsing as the wind shifts. As for keeping the jib filled, mind your helm, hold a true course, and keep the sheet in your hand. Play the sheet as you would for a spinaker, and it shouldn't be too difficult to have a great run...FWIW...
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
I dought if you could broad reach with any sail to windward. Maybe you are confused, do you mean running? If you are dead down wind, it is possible to run wing and wing, main to leward, and jib (generally the yankee) to windward. You probably wouldn't need the stays'l for this point of sail as it would confound the yankee. Some do rig a preventer stay to the club footed jib if that is all you are flying foward other than the main. Keeps the stays'l from collapsing as the wind shifts. As for keeping the jib filled, mind your helm, hold a true course, and keep the sheet in your hand. Play the sheet as you would for a spinaker, and it shouldn't be too difficult to have a great run...FWIW...
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
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matt cawthorne
Re: Broad reaching...sort of
Dave,
If you pole the yankee nearly flat and take the clew forward you can broad reach with the yankee on the windward side of the boat. It is not a very flexible point of sail, but it is remarkably fast. You actually turn the leach of the sail into the luff and get the sail working like a wing rather than a parachute.
The process limits your ability to alter your course very much. If you turn one direction the jib backwinds, turn the other and the main can jibe. I don't do it unless the winds are fairly light. The way to make it reasonably safe is to have the pole rigged on it's own topping lift with fore and after guys and run the sheet through the eye at the end of the pole. This way you can furl the sail or jibe it over if you need to turn. It is important for safety to be able to turn reasonably quickly. I used to just clip the pole to the clew, but nearly went swimming a few times. Just when you think that you will be able to turn by running up and releasing the pole you will find that the release jams or the wind comes up and makes removal of the pole unsafe.
Another trick that I find works well is to rig the pole as described above, but on the leward side of the boat. If you take the pole out and very far forward the sail acts like a wing with both telltales working and there is a significant increase in speed. It is not allowed in racing, and a pain to set up. As before, I only do it in light air, when there are not many boats crossing my path and I have a knowlegeable crew.
Matt
mcawthor@bellatlantic.net
If you pole the yankee nearly flat and take the clew forward you can broad reach with the yankee on the windward side of the boat. It is not a very flexible point of sail, but it is remarkably fast. You actually turn the leach of the sail into the luff and get the sail working like a wing rather than a parachute.
The process limits your ability to alter your course very much. If you turn one direction the jib backwinds, turn the other and the main can jibe. I don't do it unless the winds are fairly light. The way to make it reasonably safe is to have the pole rigged on it's own topping lift with fore and after guys and run the sheet through the eye at the end of the pole. This way you can furl the sail or jibe it over if you need to turn. It is important for safety to be able to turn reasonably quickly. I used to just clip the pole to the clew, but nearly went swimming a few times. Just when you think that you will be able to turn by running up and releasing the pole you will find that the release jams or the wind comes up and makes removal of the pole unsafe.
Another trick that I find works well is to rig the pole as described above, but on the leward side of the boat. If you take the pole out and very far forward the sail acts like a wing with both telltales working and there is a significant increase in speed. It is not allowed in racing, and a pain to set up. As before, I only do it in light air, when there are not many boats crossing my path and I have a knowlegeable crew.
Matt
mcawthor@bellatlantic.net