Typhoon - Sad shape, have questions

[Michael Muller]

Hello all-

This past weekend, I looked at a Cape Dory Typhoon Weekender, in reasonably sad shape. I have two questions:

1. The cradle is not the proper size for the boat. One of the supports pushes into the hull, creating a dent, about 1/4 - 1/2 inch deep, and about 10 inches in diameter. I found no crazing corresponding to this post on the inside. This dent doesn't look good, and often "if is doesn't look good, it isn't good!" But, specifically, what damage does this cause, and what can be done to fix it, if anything?

2. The teak is terrible: the grain is raised quite a bit, parts are (gently) warped and no longer secure to the fiberglass. There is not much teak on this little boat; what is the cost of replacing teak?

Otherwise, the boat appears structurally sound, in my unexperienced opinion. Some crazing here and there, and my "professional" knocking on the surface with the blunt end of a pocket knife produced a solid 'knock-knock' (as opposed to 'squish-squish'). I did not find any soft spots in the deck/cockpit.

I am new to keelboats; my keelboat experience consists of crewing PHRF races (i.e. very little maintenance). Otherwise my sailing expereince comes exclusively from boats that I can carry to the water, drop in, and sail away. But the Typhoon seems a pretty sturdy boat, has berths similar to a pup-tent for limited overnighting, and is simple enough to make the transition.

I know to get a survey for any boat before I buy, but what are the opinions of these matters on the group?

(BTW, the asking price is $2k, including outboard, no trailer.)

Thanks!

Michael Muller
*************
GSRA
University of Michigan
Aerospace Engineering



mullerm@umich.edu

[Jack Burke]

I purchased my boat with a dent in the hull from striking a dock and repaired it with a fiberglass kit.

I've sailed my 1983 Typhoon 5 years. Last year I struck an uncharted rock on Long Island Sound while tooling along at 6 knots.
I scraped over it making an awful sound,and was sure I had holed the bottom. I beached it on a nearby island,and all it sustained was a slight scratch.When the tide came in I sailed it home! My friends at the club advised me they were built before any one had any idea how little fiber glass can be used. So they are built like Tanks!
Makes them a little slower than other 19 footers, but they are still a lot of fun to sail, and they perform well in heavy weather, better than a lot of larger boats. your price is good, most Typhoons I've seen sold around here are going between $4 to $6000 depending on condition. You can by a lot of raw teak for the difference.




seandbourke@cs.com

[Barry]

Buy it, for $2K you can't lose with that boat -- if you get bored with it, haul it out East and double your money. The dent will probably go away, I doubt if there is any real damage. The teak is easily repaired if you want to spend the time. No trailer is the biggie in my opinion (I wouldn't even have it surveyed for that money). Paying a yard to haul & block a boat that size is a real bust, oh well.

If you don’t buy it, let me know.

Barry

[Kurt]

When I bought my CD26 in 1992 it had six dents caused from the cradle slowly sagging and pushing into the hull. The boat had been out of the water for several years. Once the boat was put back in service and properly stored each winter, the flat spots disappeared. If I were you, I'd low ball the seller a $1000.00 or $1,500 offer just to test the water. You're not really buying a boat, you're buying a hobby that could turn out to be a labor of love.



kjlgpw@aol.com

[john]

I purchased my boat with a dent in the hull from striking a dock and repaired it with a fiberglass kit.

I've sailed my 1983 Typhoon 5 years. Last year I struck an uncharted rock on Long Island Sound while tooling along at 6 knots.
I scraped over it making an awful sound,and was sure I had holed the bottom. I beached it on a nearby island,and all it sustained was a slight scratch.When the tide came in I sailed it home! My friends at the club advised me they were built before any one had any idea how little fiber glass can be used. So they are built like Tanks!
Makes them a little slower than other 19 footers, but they are still a lot of fun to sail, and they perform well in heavy weather, better than a lot of larger boats. your price is good, most Typhoons I've seen sold around here are going between $4 to $6000 depending on condition. You can by a lot of raw teak for the difference.

I also had a soling with a dent & when I launched her it went away & the guy who owns her now never knew it was there. I would offer $1k as they would probably like to give it away at this point. John CD31 #18



redzeplin@yahoo.com

[Don Sargeant]

I'd tell the seller you'll do him a favor and take it off his hands for $1000. The dent is what we around the yard call 'oil-canning" I've seen it time and time again and never saw a resulting problem if the glass is not cracked around the dent. It should pop right out when the weight is off it or with a slight push from the inside. It is was caused because the boat was not resting on its keel but, rather, was hanging in the poppits.

Don Sargeant
CD25D #189
Greenwich Cove

Hello all-

This past weekend, I looked at a Cape Dory Typhoon Weekender, in reasonably sad shape. I have two questions:

1. The cradle is not the proper size for the boat. One of the supports pushes into the hull, creating a dent, about 1/4 - 1/2 inch deep, and about 10 inches in diameter. I found no crazing corresponding to this post on the inside. This dent doesn't look good, and often "if is doesn't look good, it isn't good!" But, specifically, what damage does this cause, and what can be done to fix it, if anything?

2. The teak is terrible: the grain is raised quite a bit, parts are (gently) warped and no longer secure to the fiberglass. There is not much teak on this little boat; what is the cost of replacing teak?

Otherwise, the boat appears structurally sound, in my unexperienced opinion. Some crazing here and there, and my "professional" knocking on the surface with the blunt end of a pocket knife produced a solid 'knock-knock' (as opposed to 'squish-squish'). I did not find any soft spots in the deck/cockpit.

I am new to keelboats; my keelboat experience consists of crewing PHRF races (i.e. very little maintenance). Otherwise my sailing expereince comes exclusively from boats that I can carry to the water, drop in, and sail away. But the Typhoon seems a pretty sturdy boat, has berths similar to a pup-tent for limited overnighting, and is simple enough to make the transition.

I know to get a survey for any boat before I buy, but what are the opinions of these matters on the group?

(BTW, the asking price is $2k, including outboard, no trailer.)

Thanks!

Michael Muller
*************
GSRA
University of Michigan
Aerospace Engineering

[Michael Muller]

Thank you all for your input! I really am still in a 'rookie' stage, and appreciate the help from you 'veterans!'

FYI, I have decided not to buy the boat, Barry. A turn of events means I'll likely be moving to the East Coast sometime this coming fall/winter. It'd be a shame to put in the effort to fix the boat and then miss the reward of some fun sailing! (Shipping costs @ $3/mile, plus ~100 to load/unload = $3k) Now, if I could _sail_ the journey to New England...

I'll be back, asking for advice on this and that; the net intelligence and experience of the forum community is impressive! I still really like the Typhoon (as well as the other Alberg designs in the 18-22' size range) for their integrity, simplicity (for a novice), and asthetics.

regards,
-mike.



mullerm@umich.edu

[Michael Muller]

Thank you all for your input! I really am still in a 'rookie' stage, and appreciate the help from you 'veterans!'

FYI, I have decided not to buy the boat, Barry. A turn of events means I'll likely be moving to the East Coast sometime this coming fall/winter. It'd be a shame to put in the effort to fix the boat and then miss the reward of some fun sailing! (Shipping costs @ $3/mile, plus ~100 to load/unload = $3k) Now, if I could _sail_ the journey to New England...

I'll be back, asking for advice on this and that; the net intelligence and experience of the forum community is impressive! I still really like the Typhoon (as well as the other Alberg designs in the 18-22' size range) for their integrity, simplicity (for a novice), and aEsthetics.

regards,
-mike.

mullerm@umich.edu