Builder's Certificate?

[sethile]

Hello folks,

In the process of ordering parts I asked Jon Tyndall of Spartan marine about the possibility of getting a copy of the builder's certificate for my CD27, Hull #61, HIN CPDJ0061M78A. He informed me that they no longer have builder's certificate files, and suggested I contact the CDOA, which I did via the contact form on the website. So far no reply...

Has anyone had any recent success getting a copy of Cape Dory builder's certificate? If so, I'd love to learn how you did it!

Thanks!
Scott

[Carl Thunberg]

Hi Scott,

I'm the current CDSOA Commodore, and if you sent a message through our "Contact Us" form, I did not receive it. I checked my Junk folder and there was nothing there. I'm not sure what happened but will look into it.

CDSOA has quite a bit of information on various models of Cape Dory sail and power boats that are listed on our website, but not original builder's certificates. It is likely that the original builder's certificates were destroyed when Cape Dory Yachts went out of business unless some employee managed to save them. I know of a few individuals who have some of the original plans maybe one of them will see this and speak up. I fear this one is going to be a dead end. You should be able to document your vessel without it. There is enough information in the HIN to satisfy that requirement.

Carl

[sethile]

Thanks very much for your reply, Carl! I sent the message using the CDSOA Contac Us form on the 13th. Not sure what might have happened...

I thought I had read that copies of builder's certificates were available from Spartan, or maybe it was Robinhood. Thankfully the vessel had been registered with the USCG by a previous owner. Took a bit of work, but I was eventually able to re-document her without exceptions. The certificate would be great to have, but I figured it was a long shot.

I've poured over the available docs on the website--VERY helpful! Thanks to all who have worked to assemble them.

If anyone has original plans for CD27 (or copies of them), I'd love here from them!

[jfischgrund]

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[sethile]

Thank you very much, jfischgrund!!!
This is fantastic!!!

[Carl Thunberg]

I have some new information thanks to a tip from our very own Jim Walsh. The original builder's certificates were indeed rescued from destruction. I have been told that there is some mouse damage from being stored in a barn and that they are currently in binders by boat series, but that not every boat is included. That's all I know for the time being. Stand by as more information becomes available.

[sethile]

I have some new information thanks to a tip from our very own Jim Walsh. The original builder's certificates were indeed rescued from destruction. I have been told that there is some mouse damage from being stored in a barn and that they are currently in binders by boat series, but that not every boat is included. That's all I know for the time being. Stand by as more information becomes available.

Wow! That's really great news!! I suspect a bunch of CDSOA members will be interested. I know I sure am!!!

[John Stone]

Does CDSOA know which certificates are saved? Are builder's certificates and Line Drawings the same thing or related and if so how?

Do we have any of this info on the CD36?

Many thanks to the brain trust for any definitive info.

[Carl Thunberg]

Hi John. The process of sorting through this stuff has not yet begun. I have not seen these yet, but will at the Cabin Fever Lunch at Newick's Lobster House in Dover, New Hampshire on March 15th. This is real-time information and I know a lot of people will be interested. We don't yet have a plan for making this information accessible.

[John Stone]

Thanks Carl. I'm certainly interested in CD 36 builders certificate and line drawings. Thanks for any assistance you or anyone in the NE fleet can provide.

[sethile]

Are builder's certificates and Line Drawings the same thing or related and if so how?

My understanding is that builder's certificates and line drawings are different. Line drawings are are drafted by naval architects (Carl Alberg in our case), and would likely cover the model run. Builder's certificate would have been provided by Cape Dory for the individual vessels with unique HINs to document their origin and other details. These were then used to obtain the first titles and regestrations.

Here's a link to the generic form the USCG uses, but the ones issued by the builders would likely be specific to their vessels:

https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/DCO% ... cation.pdf

Not sure what was documented in the Cape Dory certificates, but will be very interested in how this unfolds!

[John Stone]

Are builder's certificates and Line Drawings the same thing or related and if so how?

My understanding is that builder's certificates and line drawings are different. Line drawings are are drafted by naval architects (Carl Alberg in our case), and would likely cover the model run. Builder's certificate would have been provided by Cape Dory for the individual vessels with unique HINs to document their origin and other details. These were then used to obtain the first titles and regestrations.

Here's a link to the generic form the USCG uses, but the ones issued by the builders would likely be specific to their vessels:

https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/DCO% ... cation.pdf

Not sure what was documented in the Cape Dory certificates, but will be very interested in how this unfolds!

Thanks. I checked your link. I've seen those before. I was confused by the picture at the top of this thread captioned Builder's Certificate but looks like line drawings to me.

[jbenagh]

A few years back I found Christine C's certificate in the CDSOA archives. I think this was right after Robinhood shut down and someone had been there and picked up their records.

Jeff

[sethile]

Wow! Very cool, Jeff! I'm hopeful mine will be in those archives too, perhaps with just a mouse nibble one of the corners