CD28- cutter conversion?

[Dave B]

I have seen a website with a CD28 called "Entropy" that has a furling 140% genoa and the club foot jib still attached. Does anyone have an idea of how this can happen? I purchased a hank-on 160% genoa for my boat, but removed the club foot jib and mount for fear that the genoa would get caught and rip. How can you have a furling jib and the club foot? Do you have to move the headstay aft for the club foot and put on the rod at the old attachment point for the roller furling?
Can anybody give me some advice?
thanks



dave_lhs_bio@hotmail.com

[Neil Gordon]

>>How can you have a furling jib and the club foot?<<

LIQUIDITY has a furling genoa on the headstay. I also have an inner stay, actually a wire luff that was taken out of the genoa that's hoisted on the jib halyard. I attach it just behind the headstay; when not in use, it's on a padeye near the stbd shrouds.

When I use the genoa, which is most of the time, I remove the jib sheet and lash the jib boom to a port side stanchion.

It's not a cutter rig... just an inner stay that I can hank the old jib to. Probably not totally efficient, since the genoa stays on the furler, but it keeps the traditional rig intact. I've not had a problem with the genoa getting caught on the jib boom.


Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167



neil@nrgordon.com

[Tom]

I have seen a website with a CD28 called "Entropy" that has a furling 140% genoa and the club foot jib still attached. Does anyone have an idea of how this can happen? I purchased a hank-on 160% genoa for my boat, but removed the club foot jib and mount for fear that the genoa would get caught and rip. How can you have a furling jib and the club foot? Do you have to move the headstay aft for the club foot and put on the rod at the old attachment point for the roller furling?
Can anybody give me some advice?
thanks

Dave, I have a 140% roller furling genoa and the club footed staysail on my CD 31. The club footed staysail is on the inner stay and the genoa is on the headstay. I fly them both at once or either one separately without changing anything. You have to roll the genoa up to tack and then roll it out on the other side. The roller furling rod replaced the headstay when I installed it. The inner staysail stay remained where it was, i.e., at the aft end of the bowprit. The the new roller furling tube attaches at the forward end of the bowsprit where the old headstay was attached. This is a standard rig on a cutter.



TomCambria@mindspring.com

[Russ Campbell]

Dave, I am planning to add to my CD 28 a detachable inner forestay. I took off the foot for the club jib some years ago and when I fly the working jib I fly it loose footed. It still self tends and is mostly a heavy wind operation. When I added my roller furling last year I lost this option. So I will install a new base for a stay which comes with a large pelican hook designed especially for this. It is available from West Marine. Then whenever I use the furler the stay will be detached and attached somewhere on the deck. Then when the wind pipes up or I want to sail it as a cutter I just attach the stay and hank on the working jib. Any questions just write. See you

Russ Campbell

I have seen a website with a CD28 called "Entropy" that has a furling 140% genoa and the club foot jib still attached. Does anyone have an idea of how this can happen? I purchased a hank-on 160% genoa for my boat, but removed the club foot jib and mount for fear that the genoa would get caught and rip. How can you have a furling jib and the club foot? Do you have to move the headstay aft for the club foot and put on the rod at the old attachment point for the roller furling?
Can anybody give me some advice?
thanks

camroll@together.net

[Neil Gordon]

That's the set up I have, and it's worked just fine. Better than leaving the inner stay in place, which requires furling the genoa to tack and needs extra long sheets. I'm also wondering what happens if you're taken aback on the genoa... it's now on the wrong side of the inner stay, can't be sheeted in, etc. I'm picturing heaving to, then tacking the genoa to get going again. How would you do that?


Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167



neil@nrgordon.com

[Russ Campbell]

Neil, I'm not real sure what you are asking but I think I would just roll up the genoa and get everything straightened out and then unroll it. I have a Furlex furler which You can put right on the winch to haul it in. Let me know if this helps answer your question.

Russ

That's the set up I have, and it's worked just fine. Better than leaving the inner stay in place, which requires furling the genoa to tack and needs extra long sheets. I'm also wondering what happens if you're taken aback on the genoa... it's now on the wrong side of the inner stay, can't be sheeted in, etc. I'm picturing heaving to, then tacking the genoa to get going again. How would you do that?


Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167

camroll@together.net

[Neil Gordon]

>>...I would just roll up the genoa and get everything straightened out and then unroll it.<<

I can winch my furling line, too, if need be. Still, I'd be concerned with an inner stay right behind the headstay that if the genoa was wrapped against it, I might not be able to furl *or* drop the sail. Haven't actually tried it... but in any case, I'd not want a permanent inner stay right behind the genoa and furler.

Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167



neil@nrgordon.com

[Mike Q.]

Sorry, but I don't get it. It seems to me that unless you are willing
to add an extra set of spreaders at the point where the new innerheadstay attaches, all you have done is to discover a new way to dismast yourself. I have sailed my 28 in winds of 50 knots with a triple reefed main and a 60% rolled up genny. Should I crowd the foredeck with more stuff? And roll the sail up between tacks?? Come on already. Alberg knew what he was doing when he made the boat a sloop. Small cutters have too many strings, too close togather.



mikieq@erols.com

[Neil Gordon]

>>... unless you are willing to add an extra set of spreaders ...<<

I agree... you can't change a sloop to a cutter (not easily, anyway). All I've done with LIQUIDITY is provided a way to have both the furler and the traditional club footed jib. 99% of the time, the so-called inner forestay is on a padeye at the shrouds and the jib boom is lashed to the deck. No extra stress on the mast when I use the inner stay, since it goes from the stem fitting to the masthead.

>>And roll the sail up between tacks??<<

That really is silly, to me. And all I see is a way for the sail and sheets to get hung up on the inner stay.

>>Alberg knew what he was doing when he made the boat a sloop.<<

Amen.


Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167



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