Honda in CD25

[Jim Still]

Some additional info for the CD25 engine file.
My wife and I returned yesterday from a 9 day cruise of eastern Lake Erie in our heavily modified 1975 CD25. We covered 183 nm. We delayed leaving for the long crossing from Erie to Port Dover Canada because the marine weather forcast never sounded "good". Finally we decided that if we waited for "ideal" weather we would never leave. But to limit exposure we decided to motor sail if speed dropped below 3 knots. Although the wind was very light (except when it was much too strong) the water was generally quite rough. Every day, except for the first, that we were out, the waves were 3 to 5 feet. Short pitched, irregular shallow lake waves. The first crossing took 10 hours and we motor sailed the whole way using the working jib, the main and the 8 hp Honda running at the "start" position. Fuel consumption was .3 gal per hour. Once we got over the idea that there was something "immoral" about motor-sailing the trip was quite pleasant as was the coastal sailing and Port hopping, east along Canada's southern limit. The crossing back to the USA from Port Colebourn Canada to Dunkirk NY was very rough, weather reports were ideal until we were 1 mile offshore THEN they issued small craft warnings (by this time we had given up on "predictions", for a multi-hour hour crossing they would change from good to bad to good etc.) The Honda did well punching the boat thru the big swells (also using the main and the storm jib). Speeds while motor-sailing averaged 5.5 nm/hr with 6 knots no problem with the control advanced a bit past "start". All in all, with some upgrading, the CD25 seems to be an ideal trailerable cruising boat for two people. One change we did decide we MUST make was to add roller furling. Changing headsails on the wildly pitching bow, miles offshore, is too much for us old folks. We decided we would actually do better because we generally ran undercanvased (never put up the genoa much less the spinaker) to avoid having to change sails in the dark or in the rough as much as possible.
We would greatly appreciate recommendations on furlers. Also we want to change reefing so it can be done from the cockpit and would like suggestions on this.
Thanks
Jim



jtstull@icubed.com

[ZEIDA]

Jim: there is NOTHING wrong with motor sailing! The way you used your engine was just right!. I have done similar in more than one occasion in my old 1980 CD-25 "Bandolera" and with both sails up and the motor going, I was able to deal with rough weather in a very safe way. And that's what you want. I did add roller furler. HARKEN it was. they make an excellent one for smaller boats, like the CD25 and you will love it. Now I have a 1981 CD-33, again with the Harken rollerfurler. "Bandolera II" sails in the great Biscayne Bay, off Miami, FL and the keys. Cheers.
Zeida



ZCECIL@IBM.NET

[Dana]

Good news about the 8HP....

We had similiar experiences and felt the need for a roller furler WITH continuous reefing capability. I also wanted to be able to install it myself and I felt a system which did not require a headstay modification would be great. So at that time (87) we decided on the HOOD LD system. Although not required....we bought a HOOD radial cut furling sail with a sewn in foam luff. This "foam" section takes up the baginess of the center of the sail as it is reefed. The center sections of the sail progressively increase in weight as one moves toward the leech and foot of the sail....so as you reef, the sail material actually increases in strength. This system requires a continuous 7/16" line loop from the furler drum back to the cockpit.
Internally the furling drum can be mechancially locked at any position
with this "double" line by monentarily reversing the direction of the drum as you unfurl (That i.e in the furl direction).....then the line can be released.

But there are a number of good manufacturers and you should look at all the latest designs....Harken, etc.



darenius@aol.com

[Bill Sandifer]

Jim: there is NOTHING wrong with motor sailing! The way you used your engine was just right!. I have done similar in more than one occasion in my old 1980 CD-25 "Bandolera" and with both sails up and the motor going, I was able to deal with rough weather in a very safe way. And that's what you want. I did add roller furler. HARKEN it was. they make an excellent one for smaller boats, like the CD25 and you will love it. Now I have a 1981 CD-33, again with the Harken rollerfurler. "Bandolera II" sails in the great Biscayne Bay, off Miami, FL and the keys. Cheers.
Zeida

On my previous boat, a 26' Alberg designed Pearson Ariel, I used a Schaefer 1100 roller furler. It is one size up from the basic model but the number of bearings and overall performance made it ideal. Once I adjusted the lead angle of the furling line to the drum I never had a problem. I would recommend it for your use. Do not buy one that just fits. Upgrade one size and it will perform with ease.



wsandifer@cdicorp.com

[Bruce Bett]

Hey Jim:

Glad to hear you had a nice cruise. My wife Karen and I were out cruising the Islands of Lake Erie earlier this summer. Pulling into Scudder on the north end of Pelee Island we saw a beautiful little CD25, the Pelican. My first thought was that it might be you. It turned out to be a retired trucker named Joe. If you run into him say hi and get him to show you his boat. It’s sharp and he’s a bit of a character.

Keep hoping to run into you out there. Maybe I’ll get down to Erie one of these days. Though it’s quite a truck from my end of the lake.

Bruce Bett
Sostenuto
CD25 #496

Some additional info for the CD25 engine file.
My wife and I returned yesterday from a 9 day cruise of eastern Lake Erie in our heavily modified 1975 CD25. We covered 183 nm. We delayed leaving for the long crossing from Erie to Port Dover Canada because the marine weather forcast never sounded "good". Finally we decided that if we waited for "ideal" weather we would never leave. But to limit exposure we decided to motor sail if speed dropped below 3 knots. Although the wind was very light (except when it was much too strong) the water was generally quite rough. Every day, except for the first, that we were out, the waves were 3 to 5 feet. Short pitched, irregular shallow lake waves. The first crossing took 10 hours and we motor sailed the whole way using the working jib, the main and the 8 hp Honda running at the "start" position. Fuel consumption was .3 gal per hour. Once we got over the idea that there was something "immoral" about motor-sailing the trip was quite pleasant as was the coastal sailing and Port hopping, east along Canada's southern limit. The crossing back to the USA from Port Colebourn Canada to Dunkirk NY was very rough, weather reports were ideal until we were 1 mile offshore THEN they issued small craft warnings (by this time we had given up on "predictions", for a multi-hour hour crossing they would change from good to bad to good etc.) The Honda did well punching the boat thru the big swells (also using the main and the storm jib). Speeds while motor-sailing averaged 5.5 nm/hr with 6 knots no problem with the control advanced a bit past "start". All in all, with some upgrading, the CD25 seems to be an ideal trailerable cruising boat for two people. One change we did decide we MUST make was to add roller furling. Changing headsails on the wildly pitching bow, miles offshore, is too much for us old folks. We decided we would actually do better because we generally ran undercanvased (never put up the genoa much less the spinaker) to avoid having to change sails in the dark or in the rough as much as possible.
We would greatly appreciate recommendations on furlers. Also we want to change reefing so it can be done from the cockpit and would like suggestions on this.
Thanks
Jim

bettb@macomb.cc.mi.us

[Bill Smith]

Some additional info for the CD25 engine file.
I am curious as how you modify a cd25 for cruising. I purchased a 73 cd25 last oct. and i think it makes a great day sailer. If you are 6' and 200lbs. its not to comfortable in the cabin and don't even think of using the head closet. I think the boat was designed with people in mind who are 4' 11" and 110lbs. I'm not sure my 44 year marriage would survive 9 days on board. I removed the evinrude 9.9 and installed an 8hp elect. start Nissan. what a difference in thrust and manuveribily.

No problem in backing out of the slip.

[Jim Stull]

Some additional info for the CD25 engine file.
I am curious as how you modify a cd25 for cruising. I purchased a 73 cd25 last oct. and i think it makes a great day sailer. If you are 6' and 200lbs. its not to comfortable in the cabin and don't even think of using the head closet. I think the boat was designed with people in mind who are 4' 11" and 110lbs. I'm not sure my 44 year marriage would survive 9 days on board. I removed the evinrude 9.9 and installed an 8hp elect. start Nissan. what a difference in thrust and manuveribily.

No problem in backing out of the slip.

Hi Bill
I am 5'8" and my wife is 5'2" so this makes a difference. Also we came to sailing after 35 years of backpacking and wilderness canoe tripping, so having a head (very tight its true)is great. Not to mention all the other luxurious accommodations. (Worlds better than a 6# backpack tent.) This is our second year with the boat and I now sometimes go weeks and weeks without nocking my head. (I am a slow learner!) We have made many modifications to the boat both to improve livability as well as integrety. When we were deciding on which boat we would buy, trailerability was a major requirement. Seaworthyness and sailing performance were the others. Not very many boats fit this spec but the CD25 does.
Jim



jtstull@icubed.com

[Bruce Bett]

Bill:

It takes a special kind of person to cruise a CD25 and yea 4' 11" is about right. I’m considerably bigger than that but I do it anyway. As for the head I've always considered using it an adventure especially when beating to windward and healed over. What I can't decide is which tack I prefer, starboard braced aginst the hanging locker and watching the water rush by, or port, leaning back and looking at the clouds. Maybe we can get some discussion on this.

Bruce Bett
Sostenuto
CD25 #496

Some additional info for the CD25 engine file.
I am curious as how you modify a cd25 for cruising. I purchased a 73 cd25 last oct. and i think it makes a great day sailer. If you are 6' and 200lbs. its not to comfortable in the cabin and don't even think of using the head closet. I think the boat was designed with people in mind who are 4' 11" and 110lbs. I'm not sure my 44 year marriage would survive 9 days on board. I removed the evinrude 9.9 and installed an 8hp elect. start Nissan. what a difference in thrust and manuveribily.

No problem in backing out of the slip.

bettb@macomb.cc.mi.us

[bill]

Some additional info for the CD25 engine file.
My wife and I returned yesterday from a 9 day cruise of eastern Lake Erie in our heavily modified 1975 CD25. We covered 183 nm. We delayed leaving for the long crossing from Erie to Port Dover Canada because the marine weather forcast never sounded "good". Finally we decided that if we waited for "ideal" weather we would never leave. But to limit exposure we decided to motor sail if speed dropped below 3 knots. Although the wind was very light (except when it was much too strong) the water was generally quite rough. Every day, except for the first, that we were out, the waves were 3 to 5 feet. Short pitched, irregular shallow lake waves. The first crossing took 10 hours and we motor sailed the whole way using the working jib, the main and the 8 hp Honda running at the "start" position. Fuel consumption was .3 gal per hour. Once we got over the idea that there was something "immoral" about motor-sailing the trip was quite pleasant as was the coastal sailing and Port hopping, east along Canada's southern limit. The crossing back to the USA from Port Colebourn Canada to Dunkirk NY was very rough, weather reports were ideal until we were 1 mile offshore THEN they issued small craft warnings (by this time we had given up on "predictions", for a multi-hour hour crossing they would change from good to bad to good etc.) The Honda did well punching the boat thru the big swells (also using the main and the storm jib). Speeds while motor-sailing averaged 5.5 nm/hr with 6 knots no problem with the control advanced a bit past "start". All in all, with some upgrading, the CD25 seems to be an ideal trailerable cruising boat for two people. One change we did decide we MUST make was to add roller furling. Changing headsails on the wildly pitching bow, miles offshore, is too much for us old folks. We decided we would actually do better because we generally ran undercanvased (never put up the genoa much less the spinaker) to avoid having to change sails in the dark or in the rough as much as possible.
We would greatly appreciate recommendations on furlers. Also we want to change reefing so it can be done from the cockpit and would like suggestions on this.
Thanks
Jim

Jim,
I'm also interested in info on main reefing to cockpit and roller furler for my CD25. I really appreciate your postings. Your shared experiences have been very helpful. My questions: Does anyone have advice/experience with Harken's single line reefing kit
and the 100S Furlex furler (received top rating in Practical Sailer, comes as a complete kit, easy to install, reasonably priced)a for CD25.
Thanks,
Bill CD25 #522



wawillis@shore.intercom.net

[Tom Foley]

My CD25 purchased last year came with a furlex furler and a 150 UK genoa.. Just remember to lubricate it. I didn't and could only close it half way when out in the ocean (casco Bay, Maine). I finally took the main down and then made many circles by pushing the motor to one side and then letting the sail wrap around the furler.
Tom Foley
Heather
Kennebunk

Some additional info for the CD25 engine file.
My wife and I returned yesterday from a 9 day cruise of eastern Lake Erie in our heavily modified 1975 CD25. We covered 183 nm. We delayed leaving for the long crossing from Erie to Port Dover Canada because the marine weather forcast never sounded "good". Finally we decided that if we waited for "ideal" weather we would never leave. But to limit exposure we decided to motor sail if speed dropped below 3 knots. Although the wind was very light (except when it was much too strong) the water was generally quite rough. Every day, except for the first, that we were out, the waves were 3 to 5 feet. Short pitched, irregular shallow lake waves. The first crossing took 10 hours and we motor sailed the whole way using the working jib, the main and the 8 hp Honda running at the "start" position. Fuel consumption was .3 gal per hour. Once we got over the idea that there was something "immoral" about motor-sailing the trip was quite pleasant as was the coastal sailing and Port hopping, east along Canada's southern limit. The crossing back to the USA from Port Colebourn Canada to Dunkirk NY was very rough, weather reports were ideal until we were 1 mile offshore THEN they issued small craft warnings (by this time we had given up on "predictions", for a multi-hour hour crossing they would change from good to bad to good etc.) The Honda did well punching the boat thru the big swells (also using the main and the storm jib). Speeds while motor-sailing averaged 5.5 nm/hr with 6 knots no problem with the control advanced a bit past "start". All in all, with some upgrading, the CD25 seems to be an ideal trailerable cruising boat for two people. One change we did decide we MUST make was to add roller furling. Changing headsails on the wildly pitching bow, miles offshore, is too much for us old folks. We decided we would actually do better because we generally ran undercanvased (never put up the genoa much less the spinaker) to avoid having to change sails in the dark or in the rough as much as possible.
We would greatly appreciate recommendations on furlers. Also we want to change reefing so it can be done from the cockpit and would like suggestions on this.
Thanks
Jim

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