My CD 25 (Hull 271)is rigged with a CDI roller furling. I can pick up at a very good price a cruising spinnnaker, or sometimes referred to as a drifter, gennaker etc. What it is is a poleless spinnaker. MY concern is how and where the clew should go on the bow stem. The roller furling is in the most forward hole, leaving two additional spots, except that they lay under the drum of the furler. I am beginning to fear that this is not a good idea, since how would you tack the sail to the other side with the furled sail on the forestay. Do you switch the clews as if you had a pole. I feel like I'm getting lost. Can anyone help, please.
Smooth Sailing,
Paul
Saltzma@ibm.net or saltzman@aecom.yu.edu
Cruising poleless spinnaker
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Ron Polichnowski
Re: Cruising poleless spinnaker
Paul:
I have two boats - a CD25 and Hunter 30. They are very different boats. Both have the type of spinnaker you are referring to. Actually, they are fairly easy to use - just takes practice. We have attached the clew line from forward quarter on starboard to forward quarter on port. The sheet is tied to the stanchion on the CD and to the toe rail on the Hunter.We have at times switched tack and clew as if we were changing the wisker pole. We have gotten back winded and the sail has dropped into the water. A little change of direction and she will pop back up. Sometimes the tack line is tight and at other times it is very extended. The sail can be high above the deck and at times at deck level. Actually it is fun to experiment by changing the interplay between the tack and clew.
Good sailing
Ron
I have two boats - a CD25 and Hunter 30. They are very different boats. Both have the type of spinnaker you are referring to. Actually, they are fairly easy to use - just takes practice. We have attached the clew line from forward quarter on starboard to forward quarter on port. The sheet is tied to the stanchion on the CD and to the toe rail on the Hunter.We have at times switched tack and clew as if we were changing the wisker pole. We have gotten back winded and the sail has dropped into the water. A little change of direction and she will pop back up. Sometimes the tack line is tight and at other times it is very extended. The sail can be high above the deck and at times at deck level. Actually it is fun to experiment by changing the interplay between the tack and clew.
Good sailing
Ron
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Jerry Hammernik
Re: Cruising poleless spinnaker
I hadn't thought about the problems roller furling present for the spinnaker. The idea of the tack pennant is to allow you to adjust the height of the tack above the deck. Off the wind you let the tack rise to put more "belly" in the chute. As you come on the wind you bring the tack down to straighten the luff of the chute to prevent it from collapsing. So you definitely want to have the tack height adjustable. To get around the problem of the furled headsail you might have some luck with a collar of beads. I've seen this used on a flagpole that has an internal halyard. The lower part of the flag is held by a weight which is attached to a collar of beads. The beads are bigger than marbles, smaller than golf balls and can roll around the wire they are threaded onto. You might check out a flagpole store and see if this has a shot at working.
When I first got my sail I had two sheets set up. But when jibing and switching the chute, the halyard would cross over the headstay. I didn't like the chafe problem from that so I generally just walk the single sheet around the mast and then sheet in on the opposite side. I usually use the spinnaker on long tacks so this isn't much of a problem. I bought my sheets on the heavy side so in light air I use the jib sheets.
Jerry
dauntles@execpc.com
When I first got my sail I had two sheets set up. But when jibing and switching the chute, the halyard would cross over the headstay. I didn't like the chafe problem from that so I generally just walk the single sheet around the mast and then sheet in on the opposite side. I usually use the spinnaker on long tacks so this isn't much of a problem. I bought my sheets on the heavy side so in light air I use the jib sheets.
Jerry
dauntles@execpc.com
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Catherine Monaghan
Re: Cruising poleless spinnaker
Paul,
I too use a poleless spinnaker on my CD32. Our spinnaker utilizes a tack collar and pennant. The collar wraps around the furled headsail and the pennant, or downhaul, runs from the tack down through a snap shackle that I've attached to the base of the bow pupit immediately forward of the headstay and then to a deck cleat. The pennant can easily be adjusted at the cleat to either raise or lower the tack of the sail. I also added two extra blocks to the genoa t-track as far aft as possible on either side of the boat and use them for the spinnaker sheets. When using the spinnaker, I remove the yankee sheets from the blocks on the comings that lead the sheets to the winches and snake the spinnaker sheets through them instead. They are then led to the winches and used similarly to the yankees sheets. Whoever's manning the spinnaker sheet sits on the windward side with the sheet crossing the cockpit. This way they can monitor the luff of the sail and keep it flying.
Hope this helps.
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
CD32 Realization
Raritan Bay
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
I too use a poleless spinnaker on my CD32. Our spinnaker utilizes a tack collar and pennant. The collar wraps around the furled headsail and the pennant, or downhaul, runs from the tack down through a snap shackle that I've attached to the base of the bow pupit immediately forward of the headstay and then to a deck cleat. The pennant can easily be adjusted at the cleat to either raise or lower the tack of the sail. I also added two extra blocks to the genoa t-track as far aft as possible on either side of the boat and use them for the spinnaker sheets. When using the spinnaker, I remove the yankee sheets from the blocks on the comings that lead the sheets to the winches and snake the spinnaker sheets through them instead. They are then led to the winches and used similarly to the yankees sheets. Whoever's manning the spinnaker sheet sits on the windward side with the sheet crossing the cockpit. This way they can monitor the luff of the sail and keep it flying.
Hope this helps.
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
CD32 Realization
Raritan Bay
Paul Saltzman wrote: My CD 25 (Hull 271)is rigged with a CDI roller furling. I can pick up at a very good price a cruising spinnnaker, or sometimes referred to as a drifter, gennaker etc. What it is is a poleless spinnaker. MY concern is how and where the clew should go on the bow stem. The roller furling is in the most forward hole, leaving two additional spots, except that they lay under the drum of the furler. I am beginning to fear that this is not a good idea, since how would you tack the sail to the other side with the furled sail on the forestay. Do you switch the clews as if you had a pole. I feel like I'm getting lost. Can anyone help, please.
Smooth Sailing,
Paul
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
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Catherine Monaghan
Re: Cruising poleless spinnaker
Oops, the pennant doesn't run through a snap shackle, it's a snatch block.
Cathy M.
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
Cathy M.
Catherine Monaghan wrote: Paul,
I too use a poleless spinnaker on my CD32. Our spinnaker utilizes a tack collar and pennant. The collar wraps around the furled headsail and the pennant, or downhaul, runs from the tack down through a snap shackle that I've attached to the base of the bow pupit immediately forward of the headstay and then to a deck cleat. The pennant can easily be adjusted at the cleat to either raise or lower the tack of the sail. I also added two extra blocks to the genoa t-track as far aft as possible on either side of the boat and use them for the spinnaker sheets. When using the spinnaker, I remove the yankee sheets from the blocks on the comings that lead the sheets to the winches and snake the spinnaker sheets through them instead. They are then led to the winches and used similarly to the yankees sheets. Whoever's manning the spinnaker sheet sits on the windward side with the sheet crossing the cockpit. This way they can monitor the luff of the sail and keep it flying.
Hope this helps.
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
CD32 Realization
Raritan Bay
Paul Saltzman wrote: My CD 25 (Hull 271)is rigged with a CDI roller furling. I can pick up at a very good price a cruising spinnnaker, or sometimes referred to as a drifter, gennaker etc. What it is is a poleless spinnaker. MY concern is how and where the clew should go on the bow stem. The roller furling is in the most forward hole, leaving two additional spots, except that they lay under the drum of the furler. I am beginning to fear that this is not a good idea, since how would you tack the sail to the other side with the furled sail on the forestay. Do you switch the clews as if you had a pole. I feel like I'm getting lost. Can anyone help, please.
Smooth Sailing,
Paul
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
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Donna Higby
Re: Cruising poleless spinnaker
Paul,Paul Saltzman wrote: My CD 25 (Hull 271)is rigged with a CDI roller furling. I can pick up at a very good price a cruising spinnnaker, or sometimes referred to as a drifter, gennaker etc. What it is is a poleless spinnaker. MY concern is how and where the clew should go on the bow stem. The roller furling is in the most forward hole, leaving two additional spots, except that they lay under the drum of the furler. I am beginning to fear that this is not a good idea, since how would you tack the sail to the other side with the furled sail on the forestay. Do you switch the clews as if you had a pole. I feel like I'm getting lost. Can anyone help, please.
Smooth Sailing,
Paul
We use a cruising spinnaker on our CD 36, much like Catherine Monaghan described. We use a collar, called a 'tacker'. It goes around the furled jib on the roller furler and keeps the tack of the sail from falling off too far to leeward. We were assured that it doesn't chafe the jib. The tack pennant is cleated off on deck. This line should be long enough so that you can adjust the tack up or down depending on how close to the wind you are sailing. The other key bit of information is that you can't tack these spinnakers. You jibe them. We have two spinnaker sheets, each twice as long as the boat plus about 5 extra feet. When we go to jibe, we go as close to downwind as we can, easing the spinnaker out as we go. Then as we turn the stern through the wind, we quickly pull in on the other sheet, and the sail flips itself inside out. The whole spinnaker twirls around IN FRONT OF the forestay. The tack stays in one place. I hope I've described this so that it makes sense to you.
Donna
hatter2@erols.com