Seems to me that a better down-wind rig than the standard cuter would be a larger (120/130)genny polled out opposite the main. has anybody had any experience using a larger genny and sailing th thing as a sloop?
Care to share the details of your favorite CD36 downwind/tradewind rigs?
David Romer
"tumbleweed" CD36, Hull #76
jdr@compuserve.com
downwind rigs, CD36
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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Matt Cawthorne
Re: downwind rigs, CD36, tradeoffs
David,
Sailing rigs are a trade-off just like everything else in life. The longer that I sail with the cutter rig on my CD36 the better that I like it. If you want a bigger Yankee you can put one on. My spare is a yankee with lots of overlap but it almost never gets used. I find that on a broad reach you can pole out the yankee on the same side as the main and if you learn to move the clew out and foreward enough the boat seems to move as fast as anyone who has a spinnaker. The pole is something that you do not want to be fussing with when you might need maneuverability (like a man overboard situation). Another trick if you have a foil on your headstay that has two tracks is to hoist a yankee in each track. Fly them on opposite sides and they keep each other inflated. If you put an pennant on the shorter sail you can hoist them on the regular furler system halyard and roll them up together if the need arises.
You know that tacking the yankee across the inner forestay can be frustrating, but it helps to keep the staysail up when you might need to tack. I actually spliced the sheets to the clew of the yankee this year to keep it from getting hung up in light air. For all the hassle that you get from that inner forestay I would not trade it for a sloop. In rough conditions off shore the staysail is great. I also love to sail as long as possible, and that often means tacking up a river or creek at the end of the day. The self-tending arrangement of the staysail makes that a snap.
I don't know how long you have had your CD36 but if it has only been a short time then I recommend being patient and learning to work with the boat the way it is. It has grown on me. The longer that I own it the less I feel needs to be modified.
Matt
mcawthor@bellatlantic.net
Sailing rigs are a trade-off just like everything else in life. The longer that I sail with the cutter rig on my CD36 the better that I like it. If you want a bigger Yankee you can put one on. My spare is a yankee with lots of overlap but it almost never gets used. I find that on a broad reach you can pole out the yankee on the same side as the main and if you learn to move the clew out and foreward enough the boat seems to move as fast as anyone who has a spinnaker. The pole is something that you do not want to be fussing with when you might need maneuverability (like a man overboard situation). Another trick if you have a foil on your headstay that has two tracks is to hoist a yankee in each track. Fly them on opposite sides and they keep each other inflated. If you put an pennant on the shorter sail you can hoist them on the regular furler system halyard and roll them up together if the need arises.
You know that tacking the yankee across the inner forestay can be frustrating, but it helps to keep the staysail up when you might need to tack. I actually spliced the sheets to the clew of the yankee this year to keep it from getting hung up in light air. For all the hassle that you get from that inner forestay I would not trade it for a sloop. In rough conditions off shore the staysail is great. I also love to sail as long as possible, and that often means tacking up a river or creek at the end of the day. The self-tending arrangement of the staysail makes that a snap.
I don't know how long you have had your CD36 but if it has only been a short time then I recommend being patient and learning to work with the boat the way it is. It has grown on me. The longer that I own it the less I feel needs to be modified.
Matt
David Romer wrote: Seems to me that a better down-wind rig than the standard cuter would be a larger (120/130)genny polled out opposite the main. has anybody had any experience using a larger genny and sailing th thing as a sloop?
Care to share the details of your favorite CD36 downwind/tradewind rigs?
David Romer
"tumbleweed" CD36, Hull #76
mcawthor@bellatlantic.net
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: downwind rigs, CD36
Dave,
My brother had removed the stays'l and flew a 150 or 160 gennie roller furled on his CD-30. It worked OK downwind, wing and wing, but on Hanalei, my CD-30, I use an asymetrical spinaker if going off the wind. I can fly the chute, stays'l and main all together. Seems to work better than the genie alone. Plus it gives you more options for sail set to weather. Remember too, the mast on a cutter is stepped further aft than on a sloop. This alone will make a difference on how she points to weather.
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
My brother had removed the stays'l and flew a 150 or 160 gennie roller furled on his CD-30. It worked OK downwind, wing and wing, but on Hanalei, my CD-30, I use an asymetrical spinaker if going off the wind. I can fly the chute, stays'l and main all together. Seems to work better than the genie alone. Plus it gives you more options for sail set to weather. Remember too, the mast on a cutter is stepped further aft than on a sloop. This alone will make a difference on how she points to weather.
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
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Russell
Cutters, sloops, and where the mast is stepped ..
Many modern sloops have mast stepped well back to provide large triangles. The Cape Dory foretriangle is actually moderate by modern standards. On the website below, compare the E and I figures for the Cape Dories to some of the sloops listed.
http://www.pyacht.com/data.htm
http://www.pyacht.com/data.htm
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Dan Venner
Re: downwind rigs, CD36
David:David Romer wrote: Seems to me that a better down-wind rig than the standard cuter would be a larger (120/130)genny polled out opposite the main. has anybody had any experience using a larger genny and sailing th thing as a sloop?
Care to share the details of your favorite CD36 downwind/tradewind rigs?
David Romer
"tumbleweed" CD36, Hull #76
I sailed my CD 36 for many years with the standard cutter rig - not wanting to sacrifice ease of sail handling, sail choice, etc.
A couple of years ago I went with a roller furler on the headstay and got a 135% genoa. Took off the inner forestay and performance greatly improved versus the double sail rig - especially offwind where the staysail would blanket the Yankee.
The 135 is big and takes muscle to grind in in a breeze but a good roller furler (also a luff pad which really helps shape the genoa when reefed to 100% or so) makes sail handling reasonable. Getting rid of the staysail boom really uncluttered the foredeck - now I have a place where the crew can relax on the bow!
I also use an asymetrical chute when on a long run but the genoa has lessened the necessity to use it.
Dan
dv10234@aol.com
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Catherine Monaghan
Re: downwind rigs, CD36
David,
We use a cruising spinnaker on our CD32 cutter. It works, and looks, great.
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
CD32 Realization
Raritan Bay
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
We use a cruising spinnaker on our CD32 cutter. It works, and looks, great.
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
CD32 Realization
Raritan Bay
David Romer wrote: Seems to me that a better down-wind rig than the standard cuter would be a larger (120/130)genny polled out opposite the main. has anybody had any experience using a larger genny and sailing th thing as a sloop?
Care to share the details of your favorite CD36 downwind/tradewind rigs?
David Romer
"tumbleweed" CD36, Hull #76
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
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TWMoran
Re: downwind rigs, CD36
Reply:David Romer wrote: Seems to me that a better down-wind rig than the standard cuter would be a larger (120/130)genny polled out opposite the main. has anybody had any experience using a larger genny and sailing th thing as a sloop?
Care to share the details of your favorite CD36 downwind/tradewind rigs?
David Romer
"tumbleweed" CD36, Hull #76
We just came off a one-year trip (eastern US, Great Lakes, Bahamas) on our CD-36, and the second most used sail was the cruising spinnaker (right behind the roller furled Yankee). At around 850 sq ft, it is not small, but with a sock for setting and dousing, as well as a self imposed 10 kt max. wind speed, it worked quite well. We could not go directly downwind with it (not using a pole), but had to remain about 20 - 30 degrees off of dead downwind. If the wind was higher, we would use a poled out Yankee w/ or w/out the main wing and wing. However, dead downwind, the main would lay upon the spreaders and aft stays offsetting the inner forestay. So, again we did not like to run dead downwind.
For what's its worth, there's my 2 cents. Just remember if you're looking for a downwind rocket, it's clearly the wrong boat.