Damp Rid, thats it!
I have an idea about it over flowing, let it.
Place the cans as high as you can in the boat.
Put a small hole in the bottom of the can with a little hose like the ones from aquarium aerators running to somewhere like the sink, the sink in the head (if you have one) or out any other hole you can come up with, the water collected will then simply drain out of the boat.
I have a Cape Dory 25 and would only need one or two of these but I would only need to poke the hole and place the thin in the sink, no hose needed.
Hope thats helpful!
Cheers!
Neil
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location of damp rid
Neil,
I found that I needed to put them in various spots, high and low in our 33'er.
My eventual solution was to put the containers in small buckets sitting atop, a cut off pop bottle. A length of duct tape around the affair kept it centered in the bucket.
I lashed or wedged the buckets in the fore cabin,head, in the main cabin high and low, and one in the sink.
The system worked well, nothing fell over in several storms that passed through and the buckets didn't fill up enough to overflow in a 5 month period of a very hot summer.
Only natural dorade air flow was available. The boat maintained a lower humidity and did not smell.
sea u,
rit
I found that I needed to put them in various spots, high and low in our 33'er.
My eventual solution was to put the containers in small buckets sitting atop, a cut off pop bottle. A length of duct tape around the affair kept it centered in the bucket.
I lashed or wedged the buckets in the fore cabin,head, in the main cabin high and low, and one in the sink.
The system worked well, nothing fell over in several storms that passed through and the buckets didn't fill up enough to overflow in a 5 month period of a very hot summer.
Only natural dorade air flow was available. The boat maintained a lower humidity and did not smell.
sea u,
rit
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It is good to hear that your reasons for long term storage are fairly benign though giving up a Cape Dory for a Hunter is a bit like moving from a 1920's Tudor house to a 70's suburban ranch. You now know my bias, but enough editorializing..
A few comments on the comments considered so far.
Mast wrap. Although the idea of using Tyvek to wrap the mast has merit, it was not designed to resist UV for the long term being an underlayment for housing. I would research that. A canvas, like Sunbrella would be better long term. Maybe you can get seconds and end roll pieces of brilliant ugly orange and other rejected 70's colors? With such a patchwork of color, you will always find your mast in the yard no matter where they put it.
Natural Ventilation, in my opinion is still the way to go. Using pots of Dri Rid would be useful in the short run with little or no ventilation but for the long run, I would have my doubts. Pails of wet dri rid sitting in a boat for months on end sounds like always having a source, and a growing source of moisture to boot, in your boat. Why not vent it all out to begin with? If your cover is not weather proof, rig up dorade like boxes over your deck hatches. If you do have a good tight tarp or shrink wrap, screened vents in either end and along the side will help the circulation. During the day, the sun warms the under tarp area, the air rises pulling air up from the cabin through the hatches. If you leave a few ports open you would get a nice flow of air. All for free. With our shrink wrap, we add plastic water bottles every ten feet along the skirt to form gaps that let air rise up along the hull and into the deck area. Anything to add to circulation. There is no more or less moisture inside the boat then out side at any given time. We also have no mildew. Think about the very old houses that were constructed loosely but are still standing. Air tends to circulate the moisture up and out from the house. It breathes. Inhaling and exhaling moisture and dry air. A lot of tightly built, new houses are having trouble with mold and rot and will more then likely not last a mortgage. Even mechanical ventilation has it's draw backs if it is not large enough to cope.
The screens on the ports and your overhead hatches should keep the critters out. Running a dehumidifier would be problem in winter due to freezing temperatures you would also need a source of electricity aboard that would add to the worry of fire.
And to those of you who seem to have a bias against shrink wrap for what ever the reason. I take solace in the fact that the wrap can be recycled at the end of the season while, all other material is thrown away at the end of their lives. But that is more editorializing.
Refrigeration. I would wonder if the seals on your refrigeration system will dry out from lack of use. If so, you would be looking at a rebuild or at the least, a leaky system. Anyone have idea's on how to handle this one?
This is an interesting discussion. Long term storage rarely happens by design. Usually some life change happens during the off season and what was to be a simple winter storage time table, becomes two and three and more. Finally the boat is in that bargain stage. "Cape Dory, needs TLC/refit, make an offer".
What ever you do, take careful note as to what does and does not work and share it down the line. You are in a northern climate with extremes in temp and humidity. That is my bias as it applies to me as well. A southern boat would have other considerations. Some southerner can add his bias and thoughts. This is why this board is so great.
Sail on.
John Danicic
CD 36 - Mariah - #124
Lake Superior
A few comments on the comments considered so far.
Mast wrap. Although the idea of using Tyvek to wrap the mast has merit, it was not designed to resist UV for the long term being an underlayment for housing. I would research that. A canvas, like Sunbrella would be better long term. Maybe you can get seconds and end roll pieces of brilliant ugly orange and other rejected 70's colors? With such a patchwork of color, you will always find your mast in the yard no matter where they put it.
Natural Ventilation, in my opinion is still the way to go. Using pots of Dri Rid would be useful in the short run with little or no ventilation but for the long run, I would have my doubts. Pails of wet dri rid sitting in a boat for months on end sounds like always having a source, and a growing source of moisture to boot, in your boat. Why not vent it all out to begin with? If your cover is not weather proof, rig up dorade like boxes over your deck hatches. If you do have a good tight tarp or shrink wrap, screened vents in either end and along the side will help the circulation. During the day, the sun warms the under tarp area, the air rises pulling air up from the cabin through the hatches. If you leave a few ports open you would get a nice flow of air. All for free. With our shrink wrap, we add plastic water bottles every ten feet along the skirt to form gaps that let air rise up along the hull and into the deck area. Anything to add to circulation. There is no more or less moisture inside the boat then out side at any given time. We also have no mildew. Think about the very old houses that were constructed loosely but are still standing. Air tends to circulate the moisture up and out from the house. It breathes. Inhaling and exhaling moisture and dry air. A lot of tightly built, new houses are having trouble with mold and rot and will more then likely not last a mortgage. Even mechanical ventilation has it's draw backs if it is not large enough to cope.
The screens on the ports and your overhead hatches should keep the critters out. Running a dehumidifier would be problem in winter due to freezing temperatures you would also need a source of electricity aboard that would add to the worry of fire.
And to those of you who seem to have a bias against shrink wrap for what ever the reason. I take solace in the fact that the wrap can be recycled at the end of the season while, all other material is thrown away at the end of their lives. But that is more editorializing.
Refrigeration. I would wonder if the seals on your refrigeration system will dry out from lack of use. If so, you would be looking at a rebuild or at the least, a leaky system. Anyone have idea's on how to handle this one?
This is an interesting discussion. Long term storage rarely happens by design. Usually some life change happens during the off season and what was to be a simple winter storage time table, becomes two and three and more. Finally the boat is in that bargain stage. "Cape Dory, needs TLC/refit, make an offer".
What ever you do, take careful note as to what does and does not work and share it down the line. You are in a northern climate with extremes in temp and humidity. That is my bias as it applies to me as well. A southern boat would have other considerations. Some southerner can add his bias and thoughts. This is why this board is so great.
Sail on.
John Danicic
CD 36 - Mariah - #124
Lake Superior
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reply to John
John,
Thanks for your thoughts!
Yes, I know.....however the Hunters they are building these days are capable offshore machines and this new 44DS is a sweet sailing machine! Fast, stable, all the toys and fun to sail.
I'll never sell LaVida but families grow and our space needs outstripped even the 45 CD we looked at last summer.
I think you maybe on to something with the sumbrella.
The beefed up sumbrella would be ideal, although expensive, I think it might work well enough. Your idea about off colors or a patchwork of colors sounds interesting and colorful!I think I'll talk to my canvas guy and see what he says.
The dehumidifier is only intended to be used during the summer months, when cruising the southern climes.
Fortunately LaVida will be stored here in Olcott and we only have a short period of extrememly hot weather.
During the winter, I normally heat the boat to just above freezing, anyway. Makes it more pleasant when one goes aboard during the winter months.
As for screens, I need to buck up and buy your LOVELY port screens. BTW, have you given any thought to making hatch screens for the larger CD's? Would they be too heavy? Might be an interesting add-on to your port screen lines.
As for the reefer gear, I'm taking the this opportunity to pull the unit out and send it back to Frigiboat for reconditioning. I'll hold off the reinstall until we launch again.
While doing this layup, I'm creating a Microsoft Project "Layup" file/checklist to track tasks, suppliers, materials, etc., etc.. If it evolves into something useful, I'll make it available to others.
Happy Holidays!!
Rit
Thanks for your thoughts!
Yes, I know.....however the Hunters they are building these days are capable offshore machines and this new 44DS is a sweet sailing machine! Fast, stable, all the toys and fun to sail.
I'll never sell LaVida but families grow and our space needs outstripped even the 45 CD we looked at last summer.
I think you maybe on to something with the sumbrella.
The beefed up sumbrella would be ideal, although expensive, I think it might work well enough. Your idea about off colors or a patchwork of colors sounds interesting and colorful!I think I'll talk to my canvas guy and see what he says.
The dehumidifier is only intended to be used during the summer months, when cruising the southern climes.
Fortunately LaVida will be stored here in Olcott and we only have a short period of extrememly hot weather.
During the winter, I normally heat the boat to just above freezing, anyway. Makes it more pleasant when one goes aboard during the winter months.
As for screens, I need to buck up and buy your LOVELY port screens. BTW, have you given any thought to making hatch screens for the larger CD's? Would they be too heavy? Might be an interesting add-on to your port screen lines.
As for the reefer gear, I'm taking the this opportunity to pull the unit out and send it back to Frigiboat for reconditioning. I'll hold off the reinstall until we launch again.
While doing this layup, I'm creating a Microsoft Project "Layup" file/checklist to track tasks, suppliers, materials, etc., etc.. If it evolves into something useful, I'll make it available to others.
Happy Holidays!!
Rit
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back to you, mike
I wouldn't be a Cape Dory owner if I didn't give you some grief about the Hunter. You will have space upon space in that boat. The toys you could get aboard her. I am also sure it will back better then ours. Congratulations!
As for the hatch screens. Both my boat and my brother's CD33 have what look to be original equipment teak and bronze screens. On mine, the screens are brass hinged and curve upward to match the sweep of the cabin top.They latch in place. On my brothers I believe that they are also curved but small teak swivel blocks hold them in. His hatches are smaller then mine. We both put our dinghies over the center one. The dinghy makes an effective dorade so they can be left open while we are away with out fear of rain getting in. Off shore, the hatches should be closed as waves sweeping along the deck will get in under. Ask my brother about his experience with that. As for me building screens for the hatches using my method, copper frame and bronze screen would be a bit over the top. I do like the teak ones we have what with that graceful curve. The trouble is that these hatches may or may not be consistently sized like a bronze cast port. You have carpenters working away and adjusting measurements as they go to get things to fit. With out the boat right here, I could not be sure if they will fit tightly. This may be a good project for a local craftsman or a nice winter project for an owner. I am branching out to making my screens for Pacific Seacraft boats. I hope to have some good fitting ones made this spring though the PS ports have no flange or tabs to hold the screens in with. It should be an interesting problem to solve. As you may remember Mike, you were one of the first to encourage me forward on the screens. Look what you've done!
Your refrigeration trouble seems solved but I do wonder what would happen if you left it in? Maybe Fridgeboat could enlighten us on that.
We still haven't got much comment on engine storage. I feel we are missing something for long run storage.
I keep a high/low thermometer in the cabin and reset it at layaway in the fall. According to the log, the low temperature in the cabin has never gone below -8 and that was the first year. Last year the low stayed above zero at 6 degrees. This is an area where the low temps out-doors frequently get into the minus 20 to 30 range. The cabin is a cold place to go down into come April. I keep thinking of that big hunk of dense lead below the cabin floor and how reluctant it is to warm up after a winter in the elements. It is like sitting atop of an ice cube. We are never really warm until we put her in the water.
All this talk of long term storage has got me depressed. Time to get out the calendar and count down the days till I get to experience again that spring time cold cabin and all the summer promise when it finally warms up.
Happy Holidays to you and to all
Sail on.
John Danicic
CD 36 - Mariah - #124
Lake Superior
As for the hatch screens. Both my boat and my brother's CD33 have what look to be original equipment teak and bronze screens. On mine, the screens are brass hinged and curve upward to match the sweep of the cabin top.They latch in place. On my brothers I believe that they are also curved but small teak swivel blocks hold them in. His hatches are smaller then mine. We both put our dinghies over the center one. The dinghy makes an effective dorade so they can be left open while we are away with out fear of rain getting in. Off shore, the hatches should be closed as waves sweeping along the deck will get in under. Ask my brother about his experience with that. As for me building screens for the hatches using my method, copper frame and bronze screen would be a bit over the top. I do like the teak ones we have what with that graceful curve. The trouble is that these hatches may or may not be consistently sized like a bronze cast port. You have carpenters working away and adjusting measurements as they go to get things to fit. With out the boat right here, I could not be sure if they will fit tightly. This may be a good project for a local craftsman or a nice winter project for an owner. I am branching out to making my screens for Pacific Seacraft boats. I hope to have some good fitting ones made this spring though the PS ports have no flange or tabs to hold the screens in with. It should be an interesting problem to solve. As you may remember Mike, you were one of the first to encourage me forward on the screens. Look what you've done!
Your refrigeration trouble seems solved but I do wonder what would happen if you left it in? Maybe Fridgeboat could enlighten us on that.
We still haven't got much comment on engine storage. I feel we are missing something for long run storage.
I keep a high/low thermometer in the cabin and reset it at layaway in the fall. According to the log, the low temperature in the cabin has never gone below -8 and that was the first year. Last year the low stayed above zero at 6 degrees. This is an area where the low temps out-doors frequently get into the minus 20 to 30 range. The cabin is a cold place to go down into come April. I keep thinking of that big hunk of dense lead below the cabin floor and how reluctant it is to warm up after a winter in the elements. It is like sitting atop of an ice cube. We are never really warm until we put her in the water.
All this talk of long term storage has got me depressed. Time to get out the calendar and count down the days till I get to experience again that spring time cold cabin and all the summer promise when it finally warms up.
Happy Holidays to you and to all
Sail on.
John Danicic
CD 36 - Mariah - #124
Lake Superior
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Brand X Club
Mike,
Welcome to the brand "X" club. I loved both of my Cape Dories but like you the time came that the the grass was greener on the other side of the fence. You are fortunate in that you can still keep a foot in both yards ( all puns intended).
So tell me, what are your long term cruising plans?
Mike
s/v Adagio
Outbound 44
Welcome to the brand "X" club. I loved both of my Cape Dories but like you the time came that the the grass was greener on the other side of the fence. You are fortunate in that you can still keep a foot in both yards ( all puns intended).
So tell me, what are your long term cruising plans?
Mike
s/v Adagio
Outbound 44
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Hey MIke!
Great to hear from you!
While the Hunter 44DS isn't an ideal boat (I have reservations about the woodwork and some of their storage designs) it will accomplish our cruising tasks in style and comfort.
Right now the plan is to remain in the Great Lakes for the next season and then take "EOS" to the Maritimes and then to the coast for prep for our long awaited European tour.
Starting off with a new boat is a daunting task as all the little nits and bits I've become accustomed to on "LaVida" will now need to be recreated on "EOS". Ah, but an enjoyable task it will be.
We plan to leave "EOS" in Europe during the off seasons and spend at least five to six years sailing about.
And you? What are your cruising plans?
Happy Holidays, Mike
sea u,
Mike
While the Hunter 44DS isn't an ideal boat (I have reservations about the woodwork and some of their storage designs) it will accomplish our cruising tasks in style and comfort.
Right now the plan is to remain in the Great Lakes for the next season and then take "EOS" to the Maritimes and then to the coast for prep for our long awaited European tour.
Starting off with a new boat is a daunting task as all the little nits and bits I've become accustomed to on "LaVida" will now need to be recreated on "EOS". Ah, but an enjoyable task it will be.
We plan to leave "EOS" in Europe during the off seasons and spend at least five to six years sailing about.
And you? What are your cruising plans?
Happy Holidays, Mike
sea u,
Mike
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Hatch Screens
John,
If I sent you the exact measurements of my hatches, do you think you could create a couple for me?
No hurry, as you know, LaVida will be resting for a bit!
I'm hooking for more info on long term engine and fuel storage.
Will keep you posted.
thanks,
Mike
If I sent you the exact measurements of my hatches, do you think you could create a couple for me?
No hurry, as you know, LaVida will be resting for a bit!
I'm hooking for more info on long term engine and fuel storage.
Will keep you posted.
thanks,
Mike
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Our Cruising Plans
Mike,
I am sure that you will enjoy putting your touch on Eos. Hopefully we will see you in Europe as we have designs on the Med but it won't be for several years. Let me start at the beginning...
Merrie an I leave for China to in 3 weeks to inspect and accept our new Adagio before she is shipped to Norfolk for spars, commissioning and shakedown. With luck she will arrive in Norfolk around the 1st of March and we will sail her north in June to Dutch Harbor in Jamestown, RI.
At that point we will move aboard permanently and spend the season settling into Adagio and revisiting Maine and Nova Scotia. Come fall it's back to Norfolk or Beaufort, NC where we will jump offshore to the Caribbean for the winter of 2007. Then it's either South America or back up the east coast for hurricane season. Fall of 2008 it's back to the Caribbean and through the Panama Canal in February 2008. Then it's onto French Polynesia via Ecuador & The Galapagos spending the hurricane season in New Zealand. We may return to the South Pacific for another season or two before we continue around.
There is no set time frame, we would like to see Australia, Thailand, etc but have no desire to enter the Med from the east so It looks like around the Cape of Good Hope and across the Atlantic to Brazil, back up to the Caribbean, Azores and then the Med from the west. That's why it will take several years before we can meet you in the Med.
If nothing else cruising is a great geography lesson. Hopefully we will see you at the next national meeting before we take off.
Mike & Merrie
I am sure that you will enjoy putting your touch on Eos. Hopefully we will see you in Europe as we have designs on the Med but it won't be for several years. Let me start at the beginning...
Merrie an I leave for China to in 3 weeks to inspect and accept our new Adagio before she is shipped to Norfolk for spars, commissioning and shakedown. With luck she will arrive in Norfolk around the 1st of March and we will sail her north in June to Dutch Harbor in Jamestown, RI.
At that point we will move aboard permanently and spend the season settling into Adagio and revisiting Maine and Nova Scotia. Come fall it's back to Norfolk or Beaufort, NC where we will jump offshore to the Caribbean for the winter of 2007. Then it's either South America or back up the east coast for hurricane season. Fall of 2008 it's back to the Caribbean and through the Panama Canal in February 2008. Then it's onto French Polynesia via Ecuador & The Galapagos spending the hurricane season in New Zealand. We may return to the South Pacific for another season or two before we continue around.
There is no set time frame, we would like to see Australia, Thailand, etc but have no desire to enter the Med from the east so It looks like around the Cape of Good Hope and across the Atlantic to Brazil, back up to the Caribbean, Azores and then the Med from the west. That's why it will take several years before we can meet you in the Med.
If nothing else cruising is a great geography lesson. Hopefully we will see you at the next national meeting before we take off.
Mike & Merrie
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What a voyage!
Well, its evident that we rise from the same spring, Michael.
Our cruising plans are very similar, although we will dally more in the North Atlantic than you are anticipating.
I fell in love with the Maritimes and especially Newfoundland.
Judy and I are anxious to begin our explorations in Europe, so we might not get as much time in the Maritimes as I'd like. Its like you said, fluid plans make great sailing schedules!
Have a great trip to China! I envy your opportunity to visit that country. So much opportunity and development. I'd be very interested in hearing your opinions regarding their boat building ability.
Fair Holiday Winds,
Rit
Our cruising plans are very similar, although we will dally more in the North Atlantic than you are anticipating.
I fell in love with the Maritimes and especially Newfoundland.
Judy and I are anxious to begin our explorations in Europe, so we might not get as much time in the Maritimes as I'd like. Its like you said, fluid plans make great sailing schedules!
Have a great trip to China! I envy your opportunity to visit that country. So much opportunity and development. I'd be very interested in hearing your opinions regarding their boat building ability.
Fair Holiday Winds,
Rit
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Mike,
I guess you are right about the same spring and we are both very lucky to be able to do it and have Admirals wanting to do it.
The pictures that I have seen of the boat show a very modern shipyard in the background. I'm looking forward to actually seeing the facilities. As to the workmanship, that was one of the many things that attracted me to Outbound along with all the materials being sourced out of the US. In fact the same yard builds Passports while and Nordhaven Trawlers are built next door. The days of the "leaky teakies" has passsed.
Mike
I guess you are right about the same spring and we are both very lucky to be able to do it and have Admirals wanting to do it.
The pictures that I have seen of the boat show a very modern shipyard in the background. I'm looking forward to actually seeing the facilities. As to the workmanship, that was one of the many things that attracted me to Outbound along with all the materials being sourced out of the US. In fact the same yard builds Passports while and Nordhaven Trawlers are built next door. The days of the "leaky teakies" has passsed.
Mike
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Re: Hatch Screens
Mike:s.v. LaVida wrote:John,
If I sent you the exact measurements of my hatches, do you think you could create a couple for me?
No hurry, as you know, LaVida will be resting for a bit!
I'm hooking for more info on long term engine and fuel storage.
Will keep you posted.
thanks,
Mike
Certainly, I would do that especially with an open time limit. I could get the curve off my brothers screens with your measurements. It would be this summer before I could do it but it sounds like you will be long gone across the sea by them. Send me an Email Via Private message. I would also need to know what kind of finish LaVida's interior is. Oil, varnish in satin or glossy varnish. Thanks!
Sail on.
John Danicic
CD 36 - Mariah - #124
Lake Superior