CD 25 Outboard Inquiry

[Bruce Lumsden]

I currently have on order [fortunately, non-binding order] a new 8HP OMC (Johnson) 4 stroke OB motor for my CD25 to replace a 1989 15 HP 2 stroke OMC (evinrude)...yes, it fits and it is too much power, but price was right... I have only had the opportunity to measure a similar 1998 motor, and it appears that it would be a fit, aside from the OB tiller steering arrangement on the manual start motor- sticks forward of the clamp to the extent that both the transom block and OB tiller arm looks likes it will need to be removed to get the motor in... there goes portability! Does anyone have any experience with this type of motor on a CD 25?

I look forward to powering with less noise and smell, regardless of the brand- I do prefer OMC motors (great personal experience with them, excellent local service, and made in the USA), but would entertain any good suggestions for other makes with a good fit and track record.

Thanks,
Bruce Lumsden
CD 25 "Sabine"
Harpswell, Maine



JBLumsden@unum.com

[John]

I currently have on order [fortunately, non-binding order] a new 8HP OMC (Johnson) 4 stroke OB motor for my CD25 to replace a 1989 15 HP 2 stroke OMC (evinrude)...yes, it fits and it is too much power, but price was right... I have only had the opportunity to measure a similar 1998 motor, and it appears that it would be a fit, aside from the OB tiller steering arrangement on the manual start motor- sticks forward of the clamp to the extent that both the transom block and OB tiller arm looks likes it will need to be removed to get the motor in... there goes portability! Does anyone have any experience with this type of motor on a CD 25?

Hi,
I use a Johnson 8hp, but it is a 2cycle. The motor's tiller has to be unbolted and passed through the access if I want the hatch to close. Also, I lowered the mounting board so the motor sits lower in the well. All in all, I like my set up. The small motor spends its nights in the cockpit locker. With a 4 cycle, you may need to pay close attention to how the motor sits when in storage. From what I hear you can't just lay them down on their side like a 2 cylcle.
John Ring
CD-25 Sovereign

I look forward to powering with less noise and smell, regardless of the brand- I do prefer OMC motors (great personal experience with them, excellent local service, and made in the USA), but would entertain any good suggestions for other makes with a good fit and track record.

Thanks,
Bruce Lumsden
CD 25 "Sabine"
Harpswell, Maine

[Ed Roberts]

I wouldn't count on the "Made in USA". I believe OMC's 4-cycles are made for them by a Japanese manufacturer. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Ed R



edwardroberts@sprintmail.com

[John R. Asp]

About the four strokes, a friend with a Greenwich 24 had very poor luck with a brand new Honda 6.0 hp, it seems the way it sat in the motor well was just slightly off horizontal, oil from the crankcase would find it's way into the cylinders, fouling the plugs more than any two-stroke. It was surprizing as the motor was not real cockeyed in the well, just a bit off. The Honda dealer in Clinton, CT refused to take the motor back, in spite of having inspected the well ahead of time.



john_asp@iroquois.com

[bill]

About the four strokes, a friend with a Greenwich 24 had very poor luck with a brand new Honda 6.0 hp, it seems the way it sat in the motor well was just slightly off horizontal, oil from the crankcase would find it's way into the cylinders, fouling the plugs more than any two-stroke. It was surprizing as the motor was not real cockeyed in the well, just a bit off. The Honda dealer in Clinton, CT refused to take the motor back, in spite of having inspected the well ahead of time.

John,
I find your friends story hard to believe. When did this happen? Honda doesn't make a 6hp outboard- just a 5 and 8hp. I can't imagine Hondas would be so 'fragile'. But, I don't know myself but am very interested in the portability of the 5hp. could you elaborate on this? Does anyone know if Honda or other 4 strokes can be stored in cabin or sail lockers without problems? Thanks, bill



wawillis@shore.intercom.net

[John R. Asp]

Bill;

I think you are right, it is a five. The motor was purchased brand new spring of 1998 and from the first it would consistently fail
to run properly. The dealer came out a few times to change plugs and make calming noises about how preservatives in the cylinder needed to "burn out" blah blah blah....it would be fine but over night the same fouling would occur and the motor would be difficult or impossible to start. This was with the motor in the well, essentially upright, but maybe five degrees from vertical when looking from the side. Finally, when we brought it back to the dealer, he put it in his test tank with new plugs and it ran like a champ. He pronounced the poor running as being related to the crankcase oil finding it's way into the cylinders somehow due to the configuration of the well.

Now the Greenwich 24 motor well is slightly different from the CD25, but not much. The barely used motor is available in Connecticut if you want to try it, probably at well below dealer price. It was replaced with a Nissan 4.0 two-cycle

Best regards,

John R. Asp



john_asp@iroquois.com

[Jim Stull]

Bill;

I think you are right, it is a five. The motor was purchased brand new spring of 1998 and from the first it would consistently fail
to run properly. The dealer came out a few times to change plugs and make calming noises about how preservatives in the cylinder needed to "burn out" blah blah blah....it would be fine but over night the same fouling would occur and the motor would be difficult or impossible to start. This was with the motor in the well, essentially upright, but maybe five degrees from vertical when looking from the side. Finally, when we brought it back to the dealer, he put it in his test tank with new plugs and it ran like a champ. He pronounced the poor running as being related to the crankcase oil finding it's way into the cylinders somehow due to the configuration of the well.

Now the Greenwich 24 motor well is slightly different from the CD25, but not much. The barely used motor is available in Connecticut if you want to try it, probably at well below dealer price. It was replaced with a Nissan 4.0 two-cycle

Best regards,

John R. Asp

Don't know about the 5 but the Honda 8HP does fine.
Jim



jtstull@icubed.com

[Don Carr]

Bill;

I think you are right, it is a five. The motor was purchased brand new spring of 1998 and from the first it would consistently fail
to run properly. The dealer came out a few times to change plugs and make calming noises about how preservatives in the cylinder needed to "burn out" blah blah blah....it would be fine but over night the same fouling would occur and the motor would be difficult or impossible to start. This was with the motor in the well, essentially upright, but maybe five degrees from vertical when looking from the side. Finally, when we brought it back to the dealer, he put it in his test tank with new plugs and it ran like a champ. He pronounced the poor running as being related to the crankcase oil finding it's way into the cylinders somehow due to the configuration of the well.

Now the Greenwich 24 motor well is slightly different from the CD25, but not much. The barely used motor is available in Connecticut if you want to try it, probably at well below dealer price. It was replaced with a Nissan 4.0 two-cycle

Best regards,

John R. Asp

John;
I would tell your friend to bypass the dealer and go directly to Honda (Regional) and have their techs/engineers verify the problem and correct or remedy the issue.

Don Carr
s/v Camanae
Niantic Ct



carrd@erols.com

[bill]

John,

I agree with Don. Could the problem be unique to that particular outboard (a lemon maybe)? I've been trying to visualize the problem. The motor mount bracket on my CD25 has a 'tilt' of about 5 degrees so that the bottom of the shaft slants forward, motor head tilts aft. The current Honda brochure even shows a 5hp mounted on a 14 ft runabout with an inverted transon- looks like a 5 degree slant, same as on my boat. Did your friend try tilting the outboard's shaft so that the bottom of shaft would move aft and thereby get closer to 90 degree vertical? This would be the shallow water adjustment. Did the dealer take back the motor or was your friend stuck with it? I would for sure contact a Honda rep. Best regards, bill

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