Interested in CD 22D,25D or CD27.

[Brian]

I am Interested in purchasing a Cape Dory 22D, 25D or 27. I am located in St. Marys GA just north of Jacksonville, FL. A boat in the Southeast is prefered, but anywhere on the east coast would be considered. Any owners' experiences and potential pitfalls would also be appreciated.



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[richard forimca]

I am Interested in purchasing a Cape Dory 22D, 25D or 27. I am located in St. Marys GA just north of Jacksonville, FL. A boat in the Southeast is prefered, but anywhere on the east coast would be considered. Any owners' experiences and potential pitfalls would also be appreciated.

Brian,
If you buy an older boat, 1985 or earlier, I would definitely have the backing plates for the chain plates inspected. On the older models, this backing plate was made from regaular steel and not stainless steel. If they are rusted and need to be replace you should adjust your offer downward accordingly. The actual amount is difficult to say. I would get a quote from a reputable yard and go with that.
Rich

[Bob]

I am Interested in purchasing a Cape Dory 22D, 25D or 27. I am located in St. Marys GA just north of Jacksonville, FL. A boat in the Southeast is prefered, but anywhere on the east coast would be considered. Any owners' experiences and potential pitfalls would also be appreciated.

Brian,
If you buy an older boat, 1985 or earlier, I would definitely have the backing plates for the chain plates inspected. On the older models, this backing plate was made from regaular steel and not stainless steel. If they are rusted and need to be replace you should adjust your offer downward accordingly. The actual amount is difficult to say. I would get a quote from a reputable yard and go with that.
Rich

Rich:

Surely you must be mistaken? Which boat are we talking about here? If it's the CD25D I have an '84 and the construction method and materials used on the chain plates is first rate.

And to back up my statement I quote from the 'Practical Boat Buying Guide', page 82, paragraph under 'Construction':

"Capedory chainplate installations merit special comment. On the CD25D, shrouds are attached to cast bronze lugs which rest on the deck over the hull/dock flange. Each of these lugs is bolted through the flange with two 3/8" diameter stainless steel machine screws. On the underside of the hull flange, a heavy aluminum plate is glassed in place using undirectional roving, which also extends down the inside of the hull.

This is an immensely strong installation for a boat of 5,000 pounds displacement. The chainplates are less prone to leakage than conventional flat bar stock plates bolted to bulkheads. ......

The general standard of workmanship in Cape Dory boats is very good, and both the CD25 and CD25D sustain this standard. The 25D, with it's emphasis on fairly serious cruising, is a far more complex boat than the CD25 in both systems and construction. The CD25D is probably one of the strongest boats of her size on the market."

Need I say more, I hope this clarifies the subject.

Bob
S/V Ranger #144
CD25D



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[Bil]

I am Interested in purchasing a Cape Dory 22D, 25D or 27. I am located in St. Marys GA just north of Jacksonville, FL. A boat in the Southeast is prefered, but anywhere on the east coast would be considered. Any owners' experiences and potential pitfalls would also be appreciated.

Brian,
If you buy an older boat, 1985 or earlier, I would definitely have the backing plates for the chain plates inspected. On the older models, this backing plate was made from regaular steel and not stainless steel. If they are rusted and need to be replace you should adjust your offer downward accordingly. The actual amount is difficult to say. I would get a quote from a reputable yard and go with that.
Rich

Rich:

Surely you must be mistaken? Which boat are we talking about here? If it's the CD25D I have an '84 and the construction method and materials used on the chain plates is first rate.

And to back up my statement I quote from the 'Practical Boat Buying Guide', page 82, paragraph under 'Construction':

"Capedory chainplate installations merit special comment. On the CD25D, shrouds are attached to cast bronze lugs which rest on the deck over the hull/dock flange. Each of these lugs is bolted through the flange with two 3/8" diameter stainless steel machine screws. On the underside of the hull flange, a heavy aluminum plate is glassed in place using undirectional roving, which also extends down the inside of the hull.

This is an immensely strong installation for a boat of 5,000 pounds displacement. The chainplates are less prone to leakage than conventional flat bar stock plates bolted to bulkheads. ......

The general standard of workmanship in Cape Dory boats is very good, and both the CD25 and CD25D sustain this standard. The 25D, with it's emphasis on fairly serious cruising, is a far more complex boat than the CD25 in both systems and construction. The CD25D is probably one of the strongest boats of her size on the market."

Need I say more, I hope this clarifies the subject.

Bob
S/V Ranger #144
CD25D

Thanks Bob, my PS review is on the boat!

Bill
S/V Rhapsody #148
CD25D



cd25d@clnk.com

[Richard Formica]

I am Interested in purchasing a Cape Dory 22D, 25D or 27. I am located in St. Marys GA just north of Jacksonville, FL. A boat in the Southeast is prefered, but anywhere on the east coast would be considered. Any owners' experiences and potential pitfalls would also be appreciated.

Brian,
If you buy an older boat, 1985 or earlier, I would definitely have the backing plates for the chain plates inspected. On the older models, this backing plate was made from regaular steel and not stainless steel. If they are rusted and need to be replace you should adjust your offer downward accordingly. The actual amount is difficult to say. I would get a quote from a reputable yard and go with that.
Rich

Rich:

Surely you must be mistaken? Which boat are we talking about here? If it's the CD25D I have an '84 and the construction method and materials used on the chain plates is first rate.

And to back up my statement I quote from the 'Practical Boat Buying Guide', page 82, paragraph under 'Construction':

"Capedory chainplate installations merit special comment. On the CD25D, shrouds are attached to cast bronze lugs which rest on the deck over the hull/dock flange. Each of these lugs is bolted through the flange with two 3/8" diameter stainless steel machine screws. On the underside of the hull flange, a heavy aluminum plate is glassed in place using undirectional roving, which also extends down the inside of the hull.

This is an immensely strong installation for a boat of 5,000 pounds displacement. The chainplates are less prone to leakage than conventional flat bar stock plates bolted to bulkheads. ......

The general standard of workmanship in Cape Dory boats is very good, and both the CD25 and CD25D sustain this standard. The 25D, with it's emphasis on fairly serious cruising, is a far more complex boat than the CD25 in both systems and construction. The CD25D is probably one of the strongest boats of her size on the market."

Need I say more, I hope this clarifies the subject.

Bob
S/V Ranger #144
CD25D

Hi Bob,

I should have been more specific, but I was rushing. I have a 1980 cd36. This year and model has non-stailess steel backing plates. Although the rust on these, specifically the backstay plate was extensive, it still seemed to me there was a sizable chuck of steel remaining. This was more of a concern to my surveyor than to me, however, because of his statements in the survey it also became a concern of my insurance carrier who refused to insure the boat until it was repaired.
To research this topic I used three sources, this web page-many discussions on this topic, Robinhood Marine and Gordon Reed. I don't know the exact year the switch was made to stainless steel but I did know that boats of the model model year 1985 had stainless, hence the comment boats 1985 and earlier.
I agree with you on the quality of cd's, that's why I bought one. In my orignal owners manual they describe their chainplates as being designed with a safety factor of 4. In addition to the description you post from PS the cd 36 has a steel rod in the hell/deck joint that the chain plate bolts pass through. This is to help disperse the load linearly along the hull.
I should also say that neither Robinhood marine or Mr. Reed has heard of a problem, eg losing a mast because of this. However, my concern here is that there may be a lead time bias. Meaning that the 20 years since 1980 has not been long enough to reveal a problem but the next 10 years might.
This did not disuade me nor should it disuade anyone else from buying a cd, however, I wish I had negotiated the repair cost out of the sale price because it was not insignificant and caused delay in getting me into the water.
I rise this issue so that Brian and all future cd buyer have all the possible information necessary to make an informed purchase.

Happy sailing,

Richard Formica
s/v Inerarity #32

[Virginia Leopold]

I am Interested in purchasing a Cape Dory 22D, 25D or 27. I am located in St. Marys GA just north of Jacksonville, FL. A boat in the Southeast is prefered, but anywhere on the east coast would be considered. Any owners' experiences and potential pitfalls would also be appreciated.

I have a 1982 CD 22 but with a new small outboat. Didn't think 22' came with Diesel but it might..Have thought of selling. I'm in Jacksonville, Fl (Fruit Cove) Learned to sail in Darien, Ga! You'll love a cape Dory, very forgiving.



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