Hello,
My name is Bill Jablonski (William_P_Jablonski@Deluxedata.com)and
I have a few questions about the CD Typhoon 19. I have been getting
conflicting responces and need some clarification. What I need is a
boat to take off and on a trailer with some ease. I plan to do a lot of
traveling along Lake Michigans' coast and need a small stable boat.
The Great Lakes can blow quite a hefty breeze
(23-26 knot winds) and would like a full keeled boat vs. a center board.
How easy is it to step the mast and rig? I would be doing this (the
majority of the time) by myself. As for trailering again, could a small
JEEP Wrangler pull this type of a boat? I'm afraid that I may do damage to
the engine and frame. Do some sailors pull this type of boat regularly?
Or do they step the mast and rig the boat and leave it in the water. My
last question is, is there a difference in size and weight with the CD
Daysailor vs. the CD Weekender?
I am 31 years old and want a boat that I can have for a life time, and
when I'm older, still need some ease of setting up and sailing away for a
days adventure. I hope this classic looking, great pocket cruiser will be
the one for my needs.
Please feel free to e-mail me any answers to my questions. Thank you
again for your time and happy sailing!!!
William_P_Jablonski@Deluxedata.com
Cape Dory Typhoon 19
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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Richard Stephens
Re: Cape Dory Typhoon 19
Bill,
I think the Typhoon would fit your needs very well. It
is heavy enough to be much more sea-kindly than other
boats of similar size, while still being manageable on
a trailer.
The weight of my typhoon with trailer is 2800 lbs. The
tongue weight is 250lbs. Check your Jeep's specs to see
if this is within its capacity.
Regards,
Richard.
rstephens@alexusa.com
I think the Typhoon would fit your needs very well. It
is heavy enough to be much more sea-kindly than other
boats of similar size, while still being manageable on
a trailer.
The weight of my typhoon with trailer is 2800 lbs. The
tongue weight is 250lbs. Check your Jeep's specs to see
if this is within its capacity.
Regards,
Richard.
rstephens@alexusa.com
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Serge Zimberoff
Re: Cape Dory Typhoon 19
Bill,
I learned to sail on a Typhoon on Lake Superior, so agree it is an ideal choice. However, no matter how much I love my Typhoon I have to disagree with Richard. It is possible to set up the trailer for launching and take along various stands etc. for stepping the mast but it is definitely not to be considered a convenient single person job. Nor can you be assured of marina ramps with enough length to get the trailer deep enough to float off.
When you are going to the same couple of locations and know their ramps and are going to stay for more than one day, it is possible. However to vagabond it the Typhoon would be a lot more work than fun.
I can post further specifics if you want.
Serge
serge@srtrop.com
I learned to sail on a Typhoon on Lake Superior, so agree it is an ideal choice. However, no matter how much I love my Typhoon I have to disagree with Richard. It is possible to set up the trailer for launching and take along various stands etc. for stepping the mast but it is definitely not to be considered a convenient single person job. Nor can you be assured of marina ramps with enough length to get the trailer deep enough to float off.
When you are going to the same couple of locations and know their ramps and are going to stay for more than one day, it is possible. However to vagabond it the Typhoon would be a lot more work than fun.
I can post further specifics if you want.
Serge
serge@srtrop.com
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Richard Stephens
Re: Cape Dory Typhoon 19
Serge,
I agree it would be tough to rig and launch a
Typhoon alone, and I wouldn't want do it just for
a daysail. But you won't get the same sailing
qualities in a trailer-sailer.
the ramp isn't steep enough for launching with
a 10' extension tongue? Do you use a rope? How?
The ramp I use is marginal in slope, but plenty
long enough.
Any other launching tips? I am new to trailering.
Regards,
Richard.
rstephens@alexusa.com
I agree it would be tough to rig and launch a
Typhoon alone, and I wouldn't want do it just for
a daysail. But you won't get the same sailing
qualities in a trailer-sailer.
How do you manage launching when the slope ofSerge Zimberoff wrote: I can post further specifics if you want.
the ramp isn't steep enough for launching with
a 10' extension tongue? Do you use a rope? How?
The ramp I use is marginal in slope, but plenty
long enough.
Any other launching tips? I am new to trailering.
Regards,
Richard.
rstephens@alexusa.com
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Paul D
Re: Cape Dory Typhoon 19
Bill,Bill Jablonski wrote: Hello,
My name is Bill Jablonski (William_P_Jablonski@Deluxedata.com)and
I have a few questions about the CD Typhoon 19. I have been getting
conflicting responces and need some clarification. What I need is a
boat to take off and on a trailer with some ease. I plan to do a lot of
traveling along Lake Michigans' coast and need a small stable boat.
The Great Lakes can blow quite a hefty breeze
(23-26 knot winds) and would like a full keeled boat vs. a center board.
How easy is it to step the mast and rig? I would be doing this (the
majority of the time) by myself. As for trailering again, could a small
JEEP Wrangler pull this type of a boat? I'm afraid that I may do damage to
the engine and frame. Do some sailors pull this type of boat regularly?
Or do they step the mast and rig the boat and leave it in the water. My
last question is, is there a difference in size and weight with the CD
Daysailor vs. the CD Weekender?
I am 31 years old and want a boat that I can have for a life time, and
when I'm older, still need some ease of setting up and sailing away for a
days adventure. I hope this classic looking, great pocket cruiser will be
the one for my needs.
Please feel free to e-mail me any answers to my questions. Thank you
again for your time and happy sailing!!!
The typhoon is indeed not quite as easy to trailer as newer, lighter boats of various designs like Hunters or McGregors. However, the typhoon sails MUCH better and with some energy and thought can be launched relatively easily.
My brother uses a winch system to lower the trailer down into the water on low angle ramps. He has a big tire he got at a farm supply that slides into a metal tube to support the tounge instead of the swing up wheel with it's smaller diameter. We back down till the car is just out of the water, hook up the winch cable and the wheel, lift the trailer off the hitch and lower away.It works fine though takes an extra ten minutes. I believe with a tounge extension and 4 wheel drive car you could get into most ramps.
For the mast stepping process, I can do it myself in about ten minutes if I'm good. I made a boom crutch of Slovenian design that supports the mast in the aft end of the cockpit. To step the mast I slide it aft and fit the base of the mast into the slots on the mast step. Attach the jib halyard to the bow chock. Standing in the cockpit, I at once lift the mast with one arm and haul in the halyard with the other. Then I shift to pulling the halyard up completely and cleat it off. Then just hook up the forestay and I am done. I added six feet to my jib halyard to do this easily. Works fine!
Regarding the daysailor vs the weekender, I believe the hulls are the same but the rig on the daysailor is a masthead and the weekender a fractional one.
Good Luck! and email me with any questions. The Typhoon sails better than every other small boat in our marina, but I am acutely biased!
Paul Danicic
HORNET
MPLS MN
nyeme001@tc.umn.edu
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Harvey Rosenfeld
Re: Cape Dory Typhoon 19
Bill,
Having just launched my Typhoon, I thought it appropriate to put in my two cents worth. I love my Typhoon, and sail it on Casco Bay in Maine where we sometimes get pretty extreme weather. She stands up to it incredibly well, however I don't think its a very trailerable boat. I think it should be trailered twice a year; launching and hauling. If you can get a mooring or a slip, I think you will enjoy it a lot more. I've seen various rigs for launching Typhoons but if you are going to use a number of different ramps it may be hard to accomodate them all. .As for stepping the mast, I guess I am cheap and won't pay the yard to do it prefering to do it myself. Myself means me and two buddies. It can certainly be done by two. The person who responded who does it himself came up with a pretty ingeneous method. but I would be to nervous to try it on my own. I put the base of the mast in the tabernacle, attach all the stays except the forestay, one friend walks the mast up from the stern and the two hold the mast while I attach the forestay. The whole operation takes very little time and is not particularly nervewracking. I do this in a fairly crowded marina, so the fear of dropping the mast on another boat is worrisome. If you get the Typhoon, you will truly get a boat you can have forever.
sedco@maine.rr.com
Having just launched my Typhoon, I thought it appropriate to put in my two cents worth. I love my Typhoon, and sail it on Casco Bay in Maine where we sometimes get pretty extreme weather. She stands up to it incredibly well, however I don't think its a very trailerable boat. I think it should be trailered twice a year; launching and hauling. If you can get a mooring or a slip, I think you will enjoy it a lot more. I've seen various rigs for launching Typhoons but if you are going to use a number of different ramps it may be hard to accomodate them all. .As for stepping the mast, I guess I am cheap and won't pay the yard to do it prefering to do it myself. Myself means me and two buddies. It can certainly be done by two. The person who responded who does it himself came up with a pretty ingeneous method. but I would be to nervous to try it on my own. I put the base of the mast in the tabernacle, attach all the stays except the forestay, one friend walks the mast up from the stern and the two hold the mast while I attach the forestay. The whole operation takes very little time and is not particularly nervewracking. I do this in a fairly crowded marina, so the fear of dropping the mast on another boat is worrisome. If you get the Typhoon, you will truly get a boat you can have forever.
Paul D wrote:Bill,Bill Jablonski wrote: Hello,
My name is Bill Jablonski (William_P_Jablonski@Deluxedata.com)and
I have a few questions about the CD Typhoon 19. I have been getting
conflicting responces and need some clarification. What I need is a
boat to take off and on a trailer with some ease. I plan to do a lot of
traveling along Lake Michigans' coast and need a small stable boat.
The Great Lakes can blow quite a hefty breeze
(23-26 knot winds) and would like a full keeled boat vs. a center board.
How easy is it to step the mast and rig? I would be doing this (the
majority of the time) by myself. As for trailering again, could a small
JEEP Wrangler pull this type of a boat? I'm afraid that I may do damage to
the engine and frame. Do some sailors pull this type of boat regularly?
Or do they step the mast and rig the boat and leave it in the water. My
last question is, is there a difference in size and weight with the CD
Daysailor vs. the CD Weekender?
I am 31 years old and want a boat that I can have for a life time, and
when I'm older, still need some ease of setting up and sailing away for a
days adventure. I hope this classic looking, great pocket cruiser will be
the one for my needs.
Please feel free to e-mail me any answers to my questions. Thank you
again for your time and happy sailing!!!
The typhoon is indeed not quite as easy to trailer as newer, lighter boats of various designs like Hunters or McGregors. However, the typhoon sails MUCH better and with some energy and thought can be launched relatively easily.
My brother uses a winch system to lower the trailer down into the water on low angle ramps. He has a big tire he got at a farm supply that slides into a metal tube to support the tounge instead of the swing up wheel with it's smaller diameter. We back down till the car is just out of the water, hook up the winch cable and the wheel, lift the trailer off the hitch and lower away.It works fine though takes an extra ten minutes. I believe with a tounge extension and 4 wheel drive car you could get into most ramps.
For the mast stepping process, I can do it myself in about ten minutes if I'm good. I made a boom crutch of Slovenian design that supports the mast in the aft end of the cockpit. To step the mast I slide it aft and fit the base of the mast into the slots on the mast step. Attach the jib halyard to the bow chock. Standing in the cockpit, I at once lift the mast with one arm and haul in the halyard with the other. Then I shift to pulling the halyard up completely and cleat it off. Then just hook up the forestay and I am done. I added six feet to my jib halyard to do this easily. Works fine!
Regarding the daysailor vs the weekender, I believe the hulls are the same but the rig on the daysailor is a masthead and the weekender a fractional one.
Good Luck! and email me with any questions. The Typhoon sails better than every other small boat in our marina, but I am acutely biased!
Paul Danicic
HORNET
MPLS MN
sedco@maine.rr.com
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Serge Zimberoff
Further launch tips
A winch as described in these posts is nice, but we do it with two lines. I carry a box that has two wheel chocks and these lines in it. The trailer wheels are blocked just short of the water. The two lines are attached to the trailer (the second is for safety). They are fed around the ball of the hitch and the trailer is raised off the ball up on the pivoting wheel. At this point if there are two of you who are fairly stout you can lower the trailer into the water just with the friction of the lines around the ball. If you have doubts, then drive the tow vehicle forward 30' or so, attach the lines to the ball and lower the trailer with the vehicle. This is a good way anyway since one person can be on the boat to control it once it floats free and the other handles the vehicle. This has worked well for both launch and recovery. 10' tongue extension wouldn't ever have been enough on the ramps we use.
Other tips...for carrying the mast I added a crotch forward on the trailer and got a crotch with a post and plate that was off a Hobie Cat trailer for the stern. I drilled the plate for 1/4" bolts and drilled matching holes through the motor mount block. My 'launch' box includes bolts, washers and wing nuts to put this post onto the motor mount. This gives me a support fore and aft for the mast when traveling, and also for raising and lowering it gives me a starting point as I can put the mast in the step and have it sitting on the stern crotch while I sort out the stays so they don't tangle while raising the mast. I fasten the bow of the boat to the trailer winch with a cable looped through the bow mooring leads. This cable has an eye at each end and a small shackle secures it to the eye on the winch cable. The winch cable runs up through the post over a halyard exit sheave that I mounted in the trailer upright. This brings it straight to the bow at the correct height.
Hope this gives you some new ideas.
serge@srtrop.com
Other tips...for carrying the mast I added a crotch forward on the trailer and got a crotch with a post and plate that was off a Hobie Cat trailer for the stern. I drilled the plate for 1/4" bolts and drilled matching holes through the motor mount block. My 'launch' box includes bolts, washers and wing nuts to put this post onto the motor mount. This gives me a support fore and aft for the mast when traveling, and also for raising and lowering it gives me a starting point as I can put the mast in the step and have it sitting on the stern crotch while I sort out the stays so they don't tangle while raising the mast. I fasten the bow of the boat to the trailer winch with a cable looped through the bow mooring leads. This cable has an eye at each end and a small shackle secures it to the eye on the winch cable. The winch cable runs up through the post over a halyard exit sheave that I mounted in the trailer upright. This brings it straight to the bow at the correct height.
Hope this gives you some new ideas.
serge@srtrop.com
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Dick Sisson
TY - Daysailor vs Weekender
A book I saw said the DS disp's 1900# vs the WE disp's 2000#, each quoted as having 900# ballast.
Significant differance is the WE is self-bailing and did not come, to my knowlege, with any floatation. The DS is not self-bailing and may have come with some floatation, mast is stepped on the keel. Cockpit of the DS is spacious compared to the WE. OTH, the WE's were equipped with an actual fixture (marine toilet) for those longer daysails in polite mixed company, but mast is stepped on the deck. Don't overtighten the stays.
If I were caught in bad conditions in cold water, I would be less nervous in my WE.
These guys that operate these things from trailers have my admiration. They must be brutes.
dickee03@rivnet.net
Significant differance is the WE is self-bailing and did not come, to my knowlege, with any floatation. The DS is not self-bailing and may have come with some floatation, mast is stepped on the keel. Cockpit of the DS is spacious compared to the WE. OTH, the WE's were equipped with an actual fixture (marine toilet) for those longer daysails in polite mixed company, but mast is stepped on the deck. Don't overtighten the stays.
If I were caught in bad conditions in cold water, I would be less nervous in my WE.
These guys that operate these things from trailers have my admiration. They must be brutes.
dickee03@rivnet.net
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john Danicic
Re: Cape Dory Typhoon 19
No, you don't need to be a brute to raise the mast, launch and sail a typhoon all by yourself. You don't even need to be young and brave. All you need is a system, some practice and a bit more time then the average yahoo powerboater. The reward is the best sailing, trailerable sailboat there is. I can raise the mast and launch "Moana" from almost any ramp without getting the back wheels of my car wet in less then one half hour. I do it all the time, many times a year. Sometimes I do have an 11 year old help me, but,I mostly do it my self. If anyone wants to know my system, E mail me. John Danicic "Moana" Hull 911
johndanicic@uswest.net
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