Does anyone know the make-model of this boat?
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- Cathy Monaghan
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Does anyone know the make-model of this boat?
I received an inquiry from a fellow trying to identify the boat shown below. He believed it to be a Cape Dory possibly built some time around 1968.
Well, from what I can tell, it's not a Typhoon or Ensign and it's certainly not an Alberg 22 or a Sea Sprite 23. Or yet again, maybe she is a Sea Sprite 23. Nor is she a Bristol Corinthian. Carl designed lots of boats but I'm not familiar with most of them. But her lines look to be that of an old Alberg design but Carl Alberg isn't the only designer who drew boats of this ilk.
Does anyone have any idea of what she might be?
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Thanks,
Cathy
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Well, from what I can tell, it's not a Typhoon or Ensign and it's certainly not an Alberg 22 or a Sea Sprite 23. Or yet again, maybe she is a Sea Sprite 23. Nor is she a Bristol Corinthian. Carl designed lots of boats but I'm not familiar with most of them. But her lines look to be that of an old Alberg design but Carl Alberg isn't the only designer who drew boats of this ilk.
Does anyone have any idea of what she might be?
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Thanks,
Cathy
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Hmmmmm
Hi Cathy
Well, I dont recognize it, but a Kittiwake or South Coast come to mind. The big (high) cabin throws me.
ps thanks for the 'puter help, it worked.
Here is a link to a Kittiwake site http://www.kittiwake23registry.com/ that might help
Well, I dont recognize it, but a Kittiwake or South Coast come to mind. The big (high) cabin throws me.
ps thanks for the 'puter help, it worked.
Here is a link to a Kittiwake site http://www.kittiwake23registry.com/ that might help
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Hmmmm is right...
Hi Bill,
Hmmmmm, is right.
Cathy
I don't thinks it's a Kittiwake. The Kittiwake has two ports on each side and a somewhat stepped deckhouse. And the South Coast 21 is a fin-keeler. The other South Coasts have different port configurations and it's the angle of the cabin that throws me too. At first glance, my guess was a Sea Sprite but I'm not sure. I did find this web site with some nice photos of a Sea Sprite. But the mast is stepped forward of the cabin on the Sea Sprite and this boat looks like it's stepped on/thru the cabin top.barfwinkle wrote:Hi Cathy
Well, I dont recognize it, but a Kittiwake or South Coast come to mind. The big (high) cabin throws me.
ps thanks for the 'puter help, it worked.
Here is a link to a Kittiwake site http://www.kittiwake23registry.com/ that might help
Hmmmmm, is right.
Cathy
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S&S Design?
It looks to me as though it could be a Sparkman & Stephens design. You might try posting it on the S&S association Website:
http://www.s-and-s-association.org/home.asp
http://www.s-and-s-association.org/home.asp
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My first boat was a Sea Sprite 23. The boat in the picture definitely is NOT an SS23. It almost looks like a Bristol Corinthian 19 but I can't be sure of that.
http://www.alberg30.org/CarlAlberg/Bristol19/
http://www.alberg30.org/CarlAlberg/Bristol19/
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Sailmaster? Although the portlights don't look quite right....hmm...
They made a 22' & a 24' (I think).
Mitchell Bober
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/ ... 6672.story
They made a 22' & a 24' (I think).
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/ ... 6672.story
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Any dimensions?
Length alone should help narrow down the hunt!
The picture doesn't show enough of the deck or cockpit to say, but I would not eliminate the SS23. There are no coamings on this boat which makes the coachouse look a lot higher. The lack of a rudder also confuses the lines.
My immediate reaction was that the forward deck is too short to be an SS23 until I looked through some of the many photos I have and many look the same from that odd angle.
Just my .02!
Bly (with Ariel SS23 # 527 safely undercover waiting until spring)
The picture doesn't show enough of the deck or cockpit to say, but I would not eliminate the SS23. There are no coamings on this boat which makes the coachouse look a lot higher. The lack of a rudder also confuses the lines.
My immediate reaction was that the forward deck is too short to be an SS23 until I looked through some of the many photos I have and many look the same from that odd angle.
Just my .02!
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Mystery Solved (maybe..)
If she's 23' and that lump on the coachouse is the mast step, she is an Alberg Sea Sprite Daysailor. This is a very large printable copy of the original drawings.
<img src="http://www.artsoglethorpe.org/daysailor.jpg" width="459" height="611">
<img src="http://www.artsoglethorpe.org/daysailor.jpg" width="459" height="611">
Doubtful that is a Sea Sprite 23 Daysailor
The first time I looked at that picture, I immediately thought it was a daysailor Sea Sprite 23 without its coamings. Those are rare, most Sea Sprite 23s were weekenders which had the mast stepped forward of the cabin, not on the cabin itself. However, after a closer look, I don't think so. Why? Sea Sprite 23s do not have that... "rudder bite". I don't know what to call it... Its that spot right above the rudder - the hull follows the top of the rudder. This boat has that. Almost ALL Cape Dories has this. That spot above where the rudder used to be means the rudder was a squared away rudder, like almost all Cape Dories. The Sea Sprite 23 uses a crescent "half moon" rudder... the hull does not follow the top of the rudder at all. Also... the full keel has a more cut-away forefeet than the SS23 does. The hull form is more modern than the Sea Sprite 23.
After searching on the Internet, I think it is a South Coast 23 Daysailor. Extremely rare and basically no information other than one picture showing two South Coast 23s, one was the usual style and the other was exactly like this one. The website where you can see the pictures are below.
http://groups.msn.com/SouthCoastSailorT ... rtalk.msnw
Website with the description of the South Coast 23 - it indicates that there was a two berth daysailor version available. Layout is shown in this website, too.
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Aren ... 23desc.gif
By the way, the South Coast 23 is in fact a stretched Kittiwake. It is the same boat lengthened 7 inches.
Have a great week then! - Casey
After searching on the Internet, I think it is a South Coast 23 Daysailor. Extremely rare and basically no information other than one picture showing two South Coast 23s, one was the usual style and the other was exactly like this one. The website where you can see the pictures are below.
http://groups.msn.com/SouthCoastSailorT ... rtalk.msnw
Website with the description of the South Coast 23 - it indicates that there was a two berth daysailor version available. Layout is shown in this website, too.
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Aren ... 23desc.gif
By the way, the South Coast 23 is in fact a stretched Kittiwake. It is the same boat lengthened 7 inches.
Have a great week then! - Casey
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I still don't think SS 23
I think the deck house is too far forward for an SS 23.
Take a look at the drawning...then scroll down and look at the pictures. I can't be sure but, since I sailed an SS 23 for 3 years, I don't think this is one of them...though its close.
http://mysite.verizon.net/darenius/SS23/SS23.html
Take a look at the drawning...then scroll down and look at the pictures. I can't be sure but, since I sailed an SS 23 for 3 years, I don't think this is one of them...though its close.
http://mysite.verizon.net/darenius/SS23/SS23.html
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Were hull numbers used circa 1968?
If they were used way back when in 1968, wouldn't the prefix letters in the hull number give a clue to the manufacturer?
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South Coast Seacraft 23
I'm almost certain this is a South Coast Seacraft 23 day sailor. I came very close to buying the 4-berth model of this same boat before I found my CD25. The 4-berth has two cabin windows, but the day sailor only has one. Look for the South Coast logo (SC with a well endowed mermaid) in the rear of the cockpit. Funny, I just deleted the photos of the boat that I was about to purchase a few days ago. Otherwise I'd share them.
The 1968 date sounds about right. They started making them in 1965.
The 1968 date sounds about right. They started making them in 1965.
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Carl is correct
This is a South Coast 23 daysailor model. (It may also be called a Kittiwake 23) It's an early Alberg design and was available in kit form as well as fully completed. Somewhere in the archives I have a brochure and letter from the manufacturer that dates in the mid-1960's. My neighbor put together one of the 4-berth models (4 portlights) and sailed it on Kerr Lake on the NC/VA line for many years.
Check out this URL:
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Arena/9808/sc23.html
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Check out this URL:
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Arena/9808/sc23.html
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What a Beauty! To my Untrained Eye, It looks Just Like a
To my untrained eye, it looks just like a Typhoon except with a small keel. I notice that it has the same teak board around the cockpit, terminating at the cabin just like the TY. And with the unmistable Alberg look.