Has anyone installed a boom gallows ??
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Russell
Has anyone installed a boom gallows ??
I am curious whether anyone has installed a boom gallows on their CD, especially if it serves double duty as one support for a bimini. Where, exactly, did you install it? How do you like it? Does it help or hinder going forward? How does it look?
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Tom
Re: Has anyone installed a boom gallows ??
You don't say what size CD you have, but I installed one on my CD31. Two sort of lazy "s" shaped aluminum plates about 1/2 inch thick. I through bolted them to the ends of the main traveller so that they came right up alongside the dodger on the outside. A carved teak cross beam bolted to them via a little hinge so that it could be folded down when not in use. It worked fine and looked great, but I've taken it off now because I am installing a hard dodger and am going to mount the crossbar to the top of it and do away with the aluminum arms.Russell wrote: I am curious whether anyone has installed a boom gallows on their CD, especially if it serves double duty as one support for a bimini. Where, exactly, did you install it? How do you like it? Does it help or hinder going forward? How does it look?
TacCambria@thegrid.net
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Tom Young
Re: Has anyone installed a boom gallows ??
Tom, I'm curious about the hard dodger you are installing on your 31
Can you tell me a little about it? Thanks
fish@mint.net
Can you tell me a little about it? Thanks
fish@mint.net
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Brewer
Re: boom gallows
Russell,
On my former boat, CHARDONNAY, a CD36 (now SHERPA, owned by Greg Kozlowski of Toyko), there was a boom gallows mounted right behind the mid-cabin traveler. Bronze mounting flanges were thru-bolted to the cabin top, bronze pipe went up to a bronze "C" shaped mount, and then a 2 by 6 inch carved teak board mounted between the uprights and into the upper mounts. there are three cutouts for the boom to set in. The dodger was designed to mount around the uprights. When motoring and standing hehind the wheel, my sight line was above the dodger and below the gallows.
The gallows looked great, kept the boom under control when not sailing and provided a GREAT handhold when going forward. I think that one would look great on any Cape Dory 30 feet and up.
Brewer Ezzell
bemf249@murphyfarms.com
On my former boat, CHARDONNAY, a CD36 (now SHERPA, owned by Greg Kozlowski of Toyko), there was a boom gallows mounted right behind the mid-cabin traveler. Bronze mounting flanges were thru-bolted to the cabin top, bronze pipe went up to a bronze "C" shaped mount, and then a 2 by 6 inch carved teak board mounted between the uprights and into the upper mounts. there are three cutouts for the boom to set in. The dodger was designed to mount around the uprights. When motoring and standing hehind the wheel, my sight line was above the dodger and below the gallows.
The gallows looked great, kept the boom under control when not sailing and provided a GREAT handhold when going forward. I think that one would look great on any Cape Dory 30 feet and up.
Brewer Ezzell
bemf249@murphyfarms.com
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Russell
Details! Details!
Brewer, our boat is a 1980 CD 36, though I figured the deck configuration is so similar to the 33, 330, and 31, that I could learn from what people have done with any of these boats. Let me ask some questions, if I may.
(1) Can you describe a little more how the dodger was arranged around/with the gallows uprights?
(2) Did you have a bimini? Was it just behind the dodger and gallows? How were the aesthetics of traveler, gallows, dodger, and bimini? (That gets to be a very busy skyline ..)
(3) Why did you mount the uprights on the cabinhouse roof, rather than the cabinhouse sides? The latter seems easier, and the attachment would provide better support, if it were possible.
Thanks!
Russell
(1) Can you describe a little more how the dodger was arranged around/with the gallows uprights?
(2) Did you have a bimini? Was it just behind the dodger and gallows? How were the aesthetics of traveler, gallows, dodger, and bimini? (That gets to be a very busy skyline ..)
(3) Why did you mount the uprights on the cabinhouse roof, rather than the cabinhouse sides? The latter seems easier, and the attachment would provide better support, if it were possible.
Thanks!
Russell
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john churchill
Re: Has anyone installed a boom gallows ??
my local consignment shop has a new set of end pieces for $200. let me know if interestedRussell wrote: I am curious whether anyone has installed a boom gallows on their CD, especially if it serves double duty as one support for a bimini. Where, exactly, did you install it? How do you like it? Does it help or hinder going forward? How does it look?
john churchill
jchurchill@erols.com
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Brewer Ezzell
Requested details
Russell,
You are absolutely correct, cabin side mounted support tubes would have more support, but our mount on the top seemed plently strong. The flange mounts that the tubes dropped into were probably 5 inches accross. The mounted flanges were placed right behind the traveler's cabin mounting brackets. Also, on the early CD36, the interior was hand built. No fiberglass liner as in latter models. It was fairly easy to remove the ceiling to thru bolt the mounting flange. I believe that the cabin mounted boom gallows looks better because it is not as wide.
The dodger's front window was as wide as the upright tubes. Dodger cutouts for the tubes were at the top and just behind the side of the front window, so that when you closed the side zippers on that window, you had installed the dodger around the gallow supports. The dodger front support bow went just in front of the gallow support tube and of course mounted beneath the dodger material. (gee - this is hard to describe).
There was a bimini mounted over the aft end of the cockpit, that covered the wheel and sent about a foot behind the backstay. Of course, there was a zipper split for the backstay. Then there was a sun awning that could be zippered in between the aft end of the dodger and forward edge of the bimini. With the cabin top traveler, you could have complete cockpit cover, even under sail. The dodger was designed for offshore and was quite low. The bimini had standing room under it. These looked great. Adding the awning, however, messed up the lines. It just depended on how HOT it was.
Brewer
bemf249@murphyfarms.com
You are absolutely correct, cabin side mounted support tubes would have more support, but our mount on the top seemed plently strong. The flange mounts that the tubes dropped into were probably 5 inches accross. The mounted flanges were placed right behind the traveler's cabin mounting brackets. Also, on the early CD36, the interior was hand built. No fiberglass liner as in latter models. It was fairly easy to remove the ceiling to thru bolt the mounting flange. I believe that the cabin mounted boom gallows looks better because it is not as wide.
The dodger's front window was as wide as the upright tubes. Dodger cutouts for the tubes were at the top and just behind the side of the front window, so that when you closed the side zippers on that window, you had installed the dodger around the gallow supports. The dodger front support bow went just in front of the gallow support tube and of course mounted beneath the dodger material. (gee - this is hard to describe).
There was a bimini mounted over the aft end of the cockpit, that covered the wheel and sent about a foot behind the backstay. Of course, there was a zipper split for the backstay. Then there was a sun awning that could be zippered in between the aft end of the dodger and forward edge of the bimini. With the cabin top traveler, you could have complete cockpit cover, even under sail. The dodger was designed for offshore and was quite low. The bimini had standing room under it. These looked great. Adding the awning, however, messed up the lines. It just depended on how HOT it was.
Brewer
bemf249@murphyfarms.com
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Russell
Trim, construction style, and removing headliners
Brewer writes, "Also, on the early CD36, the interior was hand built. No fiberglass liner as in latter models."
This was one of the features that attracted me to our boat (hull #40). The headliners are formica veneered plywood screwed to firring strips. Some of the deck hardware is in need of replacement, and I am hoping that these headliners are reasonably easy to remove and replace. It looks like there is foam insulation behind the headliners. Was that true for your boat? (I looked behind a batten which covers the athwartship seams between headliners.)
It appears that to remove even one headliner, I must first unscrew the teak trim strip at the longitudinal edge where the cabinhouse roof meets the cabinhouse sides. This strip, on both sides, runs the full length of the cabin, with no breaks that I see. There are similar trim strips wherever the headliners meet hatch, companionway, or bulkhead.
Was your boat made the same? Is this what you did?
Because of all the trim that needs to be removed, I thought I would batch the deck hardware upgrades and do them at once, since I might have to get behind two or three of the liners, and some of the same trim pieces are shared by all. Also, I am not sure I can get behind the liner that the mast goes through while the mast is in place. Do you have any experience with this one?
Still, it is better than NOT getting behind a molded fiberglass pan (or cutting holes into one), and I think the aesthetics are MUCH better. I think it is a shame that Cape Dory moved to fiberglass headliners in their later boats. Does anyone know what Robinhood Marine does?
Brewer, thank you for the description. We have a dodger like the one you describe, which we like, so what you did is relevant.
This was one of the features that attracted me to our boat (hull #40). The headliners are formica veneered plywood screwed to firring strips. Some of the deck hardware is in need of replacement, and I am hoping that these headliners are reasonably easy to remove and replace. It looks like there is foam insulation behind the headliners. Was that true for your boat? (I looked behind a batten which covers the athwartship seams between headliners.)
It appears that to remove even one headliner, I must first unscrew the teak trim strip at the longitudinal edge where the cabinhouse roof meets the cabinhouse sides. This strip, on both sides, runs the full length of the cabin, with no breaks that I see. There are similar trim strips wherever the headliners meet hatch, companionway, or bulkhead.
Was your boat made the same? Is this what you did?
Because of all the trim that needs to be removed, I thought I would batch the deck hardware upgrades and do them at once, since I might have to get behind two or three of the liners, and some of the same trim pieces are shared by all. Also, I am not sure I can get behind the liner that the mast goes through while the mast is in place. Do you have any experience with this one?
Still, it is better than NOT getting behind a molded fiberglass pan (or cutting holes into one), and I think the aesthetics are MUCH better. I think it is a shame that Cape Dory moved to fiberglass headliners in their later boats. Does anyone know what Robinhood Marine does?
Brewer, thank you for the description. We have a dodger like the one you describe, which we like, so what you did is relevant.
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Brewer Ezzell
You understand
Russell,
You understand exactly what you have to do. It is not easy of course, but is can be accomplished. Liner at the mast? You are probably right about unstepping the mast.
Like you, I was disappointed when I went below on a latter model CD36 and found fiberglass (even though it was better looking than most). My present boat, a Morris built Frances 26, is hand built below and it just gives you a better feeling.
Good sailing and easy updates.
Brewer
bemf249@murphyfarms.com
You understand exactly what you have to do. It is not easy of course, but is can be accomplished. Liner at the mast? You are probably right about unstepping the mast.
Like you, I was disappointed when I went below on a latter model CD36 and found fiberglass (even though it was better looking than most). My present boat, a Morris built Frances 26, is hand built below and it just gives you a better feeling.
Good sailing and easy updates.
Brewer
bemf249@murphyfarms.com
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Tom Young
Morris/Cape Dory
Brewer, love your Frances 26. Morris yachts are top notch custom boats. The comparison between Morris and Cape Dory is production
boat and custom boat. I see Morris Justine 36's for sale used for
as high as 200,000. Compare this to CD 36's at less than half and
the cost associated with producing production boats compared to custom
boats becomes quite evident.
I bet Tom Morris has sold some boats to CD owners, they would
recognize the quality in his boats and their subsequent costs and
realize they are a good value.
fish@mint.net
boat and custom boat. I see Morris Justine 36's for sale used for
as high as 200,000. Compare this to CD 36's at less than half and
the cost associated with producing production boats compared to custom
boats becomes quite evident.
I bet Tom Morris has sold some boats to CD owners, they would
recognize the quality in his boats and their subsequent costs and
realize they are a good value.
fish@mint.net
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Brewer Ezzell
Re: Morris/Cape Dory
Tom,
I love the Frances, but the only way I got a Morris boat was getting an old one. When I compare my old Cd36 and the other five CD's that are on my dock, old Cape Dorys have to be the best buys in the boating industry. The quality of construction and sea ability are generally only met with much higher cost boats. The only reason that I got out of the CD36 was that it simply was too big for me to reasonably single-handle.
In case you want to take a look at BLACKBERRY, my Frances, go to her page on this web site:
http://home.att.net/~seagypsy/index.html
Take care,
Brewer Ezzell
bemf249@murphyfarms.com
I love the Frances, but the only way I got a Morris boat was getting an old one. When I compare my old Cd36 and the other five CD's that are on my dock, old Cape Dorys have to be the best buys in the boating industry. The quality of construction and sea ability are generally only met with much higher cost boats. The only reason that I got out of the CD36 was that it simply was too big for me to reasonably single-handle.
In case you want to take a look at BLACKBERRY, my Frances, go to her page on this web site:
http://home.att.net/~seagypsy/index.html
Take care,
Brewer Ezzell
bemf249@murphyfarms.com
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Ryan Turner
Brewers boat is lovely
I had the opportunity to visit Brewer and have a look at Blackberry the other day. His boat is beautiful and very well made. Any chance I get I'll look at other boats built by Morris.
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