Help Needed Navigating NY Harbor/East River

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Cathy Monaghan
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Re: ditto

Post by Cathy Monaghan »

Brian,
Cathy Monaghan wrote:Ditto what everybody else has already said. Make sure you have a copy of the 2005 Eldridge and/or Reed's Nautical Almanac for the East Coast -- don't leave the dock without it.

Regarding the East River -- don't let it scare you, I make that trip a few times each year. BUT, you must plan your trip to reach Hellgate at or around slack water. Why? If there's anything going on at the U.N., if the president's in town, there's any kind of shindig going on in NYC, or just because they feel like it, you might find the channel west of Roosevelt Island closed to pleasure boat traffic. If this is the case you'll have to use the channel on the east side of the island and there's a lift bridge on that side with vertical clearance of only 40 feet. You don't want to have to deal with that bridge at any time other than slack. So plan your trip based on the tides and currents and you'll be fine.

If your mast can clear that bridge then it's not an issue. Have a great trip!


Cathy
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I know it seems silly to quote myself, but I read your post again and see that your friend will be heading north once on the Hudson and not south. Knowing that he'll want to enter the East River with the Ebb rather than the Flood as I stated earlier, but he'll still want to be in the vicinity of Hell Gate and the Roosevelt Island lift bridge at or near Slack. The tide will eventually turn as he continues southwest on the East River and he'll then have the Flood to carry him northward up the Hudson. As everyone has already stated, it's just a matter of timing and not difficult to plan.

As Mark mentioned, be on the lookout for traffic of all sorts -- mainly tugs/barges and other pleasure boats on the East River (monitor both VHF Ch. 16 and 13. You'll also use 13 to hail the bridge tender.). Once on the Hudson you'll be in the company of every type of surface vessel you can imagine. You'll have to keep a sharp lookout until you're north of the George Washington Bridge where river traffic will drop off dramatically. You'll still have to share the river with other vessels but you'll lose the ferrys, water taxis, tour and excursion boats.

Also, don't forget that the area is very, almost surprisingly, scenic. Everyone will want to be up on deck -- not just to help with the watch but to take in the sights. Manhattan is spectacular from the water and once you pass under the Brooklyn Bridge the harbor will open up in front of you and you'll be looking right at the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island. The Palisades on the western shore of the Hudson in NJ are beautiful and the mountains of the Hudson Highlands in NY are gorgeous. Make sure you've got a camera and plenty of film onboard.

A couple of cruising guides to have on hand are "Cruising Guide to New York Waterways and Lake Champlain", by Chris Brown and "Cruising Guide to the Hudson River, Lake Champlain & the St. Lawrence River--The Waterway from New York City to Montreal and Quebec City", by Alan and Susan McKibben.


Fair winds,
Cathy
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Re: Ditto - Hell Gate

Post by Oswego John »

Cathy,

Many years ago I came to the realization that "It's not a mistake if you catch it yourself". Now if your boss catches it, well that's another story.

Have fun
O J
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Re: Harlem River

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Neil Gordon wrote:I assume that sailboats don't fit under the Harlem River bridges but can anyone give me specifics. Just curious.
Neil,

Your assumption is correct. Of the bridges in bold below, there are two vertical lift bridges (Metro-North and Broadway) on the Harlem River, the rest being swing bridges. The remainder are fixed bridges with plenty of clearance.

145th Street Bridge 25 feet
Alexander Hamilton Bridge 135 feet
Broadway Bridge 25 feet
Henry Hudson Bridge 143 feet
High Bridge 114 feet
Macombs Dam Bridge 28 feet
Madison Avenue Bridge 25 feet
Park Avenue (Metro-North) Railroad Bridge 25 feet
Third Avenue Bridge 25 feet

Triborough Bridge 55 feet
University Heights Bridge 25 feet
Washington (Heights) Bridge 135 feet
Willis Avenue Bridge 25 feet

I have found it difficult to obtain definitive info on how to request bridge openings. Urban legend has it that a single crew drives from one bridge to the next, and you have to wait for them at each bridge. I looked at the NYC.gov website and they list actual openings. Vessel openings are indeed rare. There are many more test openings than vessel openings. I think it's fair to say that NYC makes it such that at passage around the Battery will take less time than trying to negotiate the bureaucracy of getting Harlem River bridges to open.

The controlling clearance is 25 feet MHW. Even at low tide you're not even going to get a Ty under those bridges. (Ty vertical clearance 28')
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trip north and west

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I took solstice up to its new home on Lake Champlain from New Rochelle (just west of Marmaronek.) The trip N is a great trip. I wont add anything to the extensive comments regarding HG. The current in the Hudson should be planned for as well. While not dangerous, it can have a significant impact on your progress time. I motored up the Hudson with the mast on deck and made it from NR to Troy in two long days. The town dock is a good place to stay. They are very accomodating there but reservations are needed. Then its into the Federal Lock a few hundred yards ahead. Soon after the Federal lock you will see achoice to head north to Champlain or west to Erie. It is here that my expereicnce ends. Have fender boards ready and at least two on board (you and another). Three is ideal. The locks will be hot in the summer swo be prepared. The canal is like a Monet painting... enjoy.
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East River NOTICE to Mariners

Post by RMeigel »

I transited Hell's Gate/East River on Sept. 11, 2004. The water between Roosevelt Island and Manhattan (bridge-free) was CLOSED to traffic and patroled by the Coast Guard who diverted us to the other side of Roosevelt Island where there is a lift bridge.

We had to wait for the lift bridge - not fun in that current - but the Amel Maramu that I was on had plenty of horsepower.

We came to understand that this restriction to traffic on the Manhattan side has been in place for awhile - it wasn't applicable just for that day - check and double check to see if the applicable Notice to Mariners is still current.

Robin Meigel

Brian M

Thanks for all the info

Post by Brian M »

A lot of good info, thanks. The trip was delayed for a week. The skipper will be leaving NY on 6/24. I can't make the NY leg so there is room for an experienced hand for the trip, even if it's only for the day and are willing to be dropped off somewhere up the Hudson.

The skipper is also looking for some help for the Erie canal be it a day or what ever. I'll try to board around Rochester and do the Lockport locks. The skipper/owner is now a retired person and has the time to make this trip, I on the other hand, still have a couple more years to go and can't spend two weeks onboard.
The skipper's son will monitor the board and respond to any interested parties.

Cathy, sorry I am going to miss the NY leg, your description of passing under the Brooklyn Bridge and seeing the Sof L in NY harbor and the skyline of Manhattan from the water is something I'll have to see for myself some day.
Carter, saw you on TV last nite on Live from LC concert with the NYP, It was a great concert. Thanks for the info.

Brian
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