gelcoat&cockpit repairs
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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SteveZ
gelcoat&cockpit repairs
I am in the midst of recoring the cockpit floor of my 1982 CD due to water intrusion. To finish the repair, I have tried to get matching gelcoat for the nonskid (biege) through GCPI (located, through the web, in Seattle)using the numbers(#053097) supplied by Dana Arenius in posts here over the last year or two. They tell me they have no such numbers for Cape Dory boats. Do I have the right product numbers? Am I calling the right manufacturer? Is there any other manufacturer that already has the formula to match CD gelcoat? Obviously, I could cut out a chip and send it in for color matching if I have to, but I would rather save the time and expense if possible. Thanks in advance for any help!
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Dana
Re: gelcoat&cockpit repairs
No....they know nothing of "Cape Dory". They provide, however, a number of gel coats to many other manufacturers. They refer to the color as a "Custom Beige" provided to Dana Arenius, N053097. I was told they could duplicate it anytime by reference to the color number.
This was purchased or made orginally on 5/30/97 thus the number.
It was matched matched a non-skid area "plug" taken from the boat boat, not subjected to any sun. I think a reference to Cape Dory threw them since it does not appear in their standard colors for other manufacturers.
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darenius@aol.com
This was purchased or made orginally on 5/30/97 thus the number.
It was matched matched a non-skid area "plug" taken from the boat boat, not subjected to any sun. I think a reference to Cape Dory threw them since it does not appear in their standard colors for other manufacturers.
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SteveZ wrote: I am in the midst of recoring the cockpit floor of my 1982 CD due to water intrusion. To finish the repair, I have tried to get matching gelcoat for the nonskid (biege) through GCPI (located, through the web, in Seattle)using the numbers(#053097) supplied by Dana Arenius in posts here over the last year or two. They tell me they have no such numbers for Cape Dory boats. Do I have the right product numbers? Am I calling the right manufacturer? Is there any other manufacturer that already has the formula to match CD gelcoat? Obviously, I could cut out a chip and send it in for color matching if I have to, but I would rather save the time and expense if possible. Thanks in advance for any help!
darenius@aol.com
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John MacArthur
Re: gelcoat&cockpit repairs
Please tell me who this GCPI is, and how you reach them. I need some of the same color gelcoat.
jmac@laplaza.org
SteveZ wrote: GCPI (located, through the web, in Seattle)using the numbers(#053097) supplied by Dana Arenius in posts here over the last year or two.
jmac@laplaza.org
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Dana
Re: gelcoat&cockpit repairs
Gel-Coat Products
P.O. Box 17336
1109 North West 52nd
Seattle, WA 98107
Tel: (206)781-1162
Fax: (800)753-8861
Custon White......#42997
Custom Biege w/wax......#53097, invoice no. 035774
darenius@aol.com
P.O. Box 17336
1109 North West 52nd
Seattle, WA 98107
Tel: (206)781-1162
Fax: (800)753-8861
Custon White......#42997
Custom Biege w/wax......#53097, invoice no. 035774
darenius@aol.com
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Dana
Re: gelcoat&cockpit repairs
If anyone wants to check the color of the biege and you have access to a Z-Spar paint color brochure. Take a look at the Z-Spar Miracote #922 "Grand Banks Biege" top side paint. You can lay the color chip against your deck. It is unlike other manufacturer's "Grand Bank Biege" but is it exactly the color of my CD26 gel coat non-skid.
Dana
darenius@aol.com
Dana
darenius@aol.com
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SteveZ
Thanks & Reasons for wet core
Thanks for the information! I was succesfully ordered the gelcoat yesterday. It was indeed my asking for "Cape Dory" rather than "custom beige" that threw them off. Cockpit surgery commences this weekend.
Incidently, the culprits that led to the wet core were failed sealant at the point the rudder post (&wood trim screws) and waste deck fill penetrate the cockpit floor.
Incidently, the culprits that led to the wet core were failed sealant at the point the rudder post (&wood trim screws) and waste deck fill penetrate the cockpit floor.
Dana wrote:
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stan kuhlman
Re: Thanks & Reasons for wet core
To both SteveZ and Dana;
What timely info.! I am just putting the finishing touches on the cockpit sole of CD 31 hull #08, 1983 vintage. Unfortunately, the repairs that I'm doing involve the non-skid areas. I've built up the gel after digging out rotted balsa and replacing with 1/2" thk. Baltek, and glassing 3 layers of cloth with West 205. I'm trying an experiment this weekend. I bought latex rubber molding compound from a hobby shop ($10/qt). The procedure is:
1. Paint the latex onto the surface that is to be reproduced (I'm using a pristine locker lid for the "master".) Allow 2 coats to dry. 2. Place gauze cloth on this cured 2nd coat, and apply a third coat on top of the gauze. The cloth helps to reinforce the mold, and the manufacturer claims it will be re useable (?)When cured, carefully peel away from the master. "this now is a perfect reproduction" of the non-skid.
3. At this point, I don't know whether I need to apply a mold release to the surface (poly vinyl alcohol)or not. This is going to be a separate test.
4. I hope to tape one end of the mold onto the sole to hold the mold in place, and slowly roll the mold behind a wave of the wet gelcoat over the repair area. Getting bubbles out will be one challenge, and getting a level surface will be the second challenge. This is very similar to the procedure described by the
Gibco Flex-Mold Co.,
6657 E Peden Rd.,
Ft. Worth, TX, 76179
in using their vinyl deck mold material. They don't have the later CD nonskid pattern, (2x4' sheet ~$90) although they do have the small basket weave pattern used on the earlier CDs ( I had CD 27 hull #164 for a few years; no cracks to worry about on the earlier decks).
I'll keep you posted on success/failure, and I'd sure appreciate hearing how your repairs fared, as well. I think if we're going to stay with the CDs, we should get a good handle on how to do these fixes.
Much luck!
Thanks for sharing the knowledge. Dana, very nice web site!
skuhlman@sprynet.com
What timely info.! I am just putting the finishing touches on the cockpit sole of CD 31 hull #08, 1983 vintage. Unfortunately, the repairs that I'm doing involve the non-skid areas. I've built up the gel after digging out rotted balsa and replacing with 1/2" thk. Baltek, and glassing 3 layers of cloth with West 205. I'm trying an experiment this weekend. I bought latex rubber molding compound from a hobby shop ($10/qt). The procedure is:
1. Paint the latex onto the surface that is to be reproduced (I'm using a pristine locker lid for the "master".) Allow 2 coats to dry. 2. Place gauze cloth on this cured 2nd coat, and apply a third coat on top of the gauze. The cloth helps to reinforce the mold, and the manufacturer claims it will be re useable (?)When cured, carefully peel away from the master. "this now is a perfect reproduction" of the non-skid.
3. At this point, I don't know whether I need to apply a mold release to the surface (poly vinyl alcohol)or not. This is going to be a separate test.
4. I hope to tape one end of the mold onto the sole to hold the mold in place, and slowly roll the mold behind a wave of the wet gelcoat over the repair area. Getting bubbles out will be one challenge, and getting a level surface will be the second challenge. This is very similar to the procedure described by the
Gibco Flex-Mold Co.,
6657 E Peden Rd.,
Ft. Worth, TX, 76179
in using their vinyl deck mold material. They don't have the later CD nonskid pattern, (2x4' sheet ~$90) although they do have the small basket weave pattern used on the earlier CDs ( I had CD 27 hull #164 for a few years; no cracks to worry about on the earlier decks).
I'll keep you posted on success/failure, and I'd sure appreciate hearing how your repairs fared, as well. I think if we're going to stay with the CDs, we should get a good handle on how to do these fixes.
Much luck!
Thanks for sharing the knowledge. Dana, very nice web site!
skuhlman@sprynet.com
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SteveZ
Pattern of nonskid: Question
Stan,does your non-skid have a recognizable pattern? My non-skid areas are basically randomly stippled. My plan to reproduce the non-skid is to roll on the gelcoat with a textured roller. A west system technical advisor also said that I might need to add some colloidal silica to the gelcoat to help stiffen the "peaks" when it is rolled on.
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stan kuhlman
Re: Pattern of nonskid: Question
Steve,
the nonskid is a random pattern somewhat like grains of sand, but it is smoother than the typical paint additives. I finished the latex mold last night, and looks like it just might work. I think the trick will be to use a dowel as a rolling pin to get an even level on the gel coat (I've got to finish 2 areas that are each about the size of a dinner plate). If you use the textured roller, let me know how it worked. Sounds promising.
good luck, and may the winds be on your quarter.
skuhlman@sprynet.com
the nonskid is a random pattern somewhat like grains of sand, but it is smoother than the typical paint additives. I finished the latex mold last night, and looks like it just might work. I think the trick will be to use a dowel as a rolling pin to get an even level on the gel coat (I've got to finish 2 areas that are each about the size of a dinner plate). If you use the textured roller, let me know how it worked. Sounds promising.
good luck, and may the winds be on your quarter.
skuhlman@sprynet.com
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Russell
How did Cape Dory make it?
This has puzzled me. It doesn't look like it would come from a pattern in the hull molds ..