I'm about to install an Atlantic T6E water heater in the starboard lazzerette of Hanalei. In there are some wedge shaped shelves moulded into the hull. The forward wedge is the battery mounting shelf and runs almost to the fore and aft bulkhead of the cockpit. There is a smaller wedge shaped shelf running fore and aft behind the batteries, and that is were I want to mount the heater. The question is, what is under these wedge shaped mouldings? Is it wood or just empty space? The Atlantic heater is a little wider than the aft shelf, and I want to build an oak shelf or bracket to hold the inner edge of the heater. This would mean attaching the shelf to the wedge shaped moulding, and I want to know what to expect when I drill into it. I don't want to relocate the batteries unless absolutely necessary, would have to get new cables and all. Any suggestions would be appreciated....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
What's under there????
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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Joe Sankey
Re: What's under there????
Dave:
First, I can't answer the question. I'm looking at a 30' set up like yours, and wondered the same thing. On our 28, however, the water heater, which I'm told was a factory (or at least dealer) option, had the tank mounted on the forward platform. An additional strap arrangement had been added aft of the platform you inquired about, and the two batteries were mounted side by side aft of the water heater. Since there were brackets mounted to the area you inquired about, I assume there is ply backing over a cavity; I'll ask someone I know who used to be a dealer.
One concern you might have about the batteries is accessibility once your tank and plumbing is installed. How will you check/change them out?
I also wonder how you like the std. configuration compared to the "B" model? When we sailed with you on Don's boat, we really liked that layout. Any thoughts?
Joe
sankey@gulftel.com
First, I can't answer the question. I'm looking at a 30' set up like yours, and wondered the same thing. On our 28, however, the water heater, which I'm told was a factory (or at least dealer) option, had the tank mounted on the forward platform. An additional strap arrangement had been added aft of the platform you inquired about, and the two batteries were mounted side by side aft of the water heater. Since there were brackets mounted to the area you inquired about, I assume there is ply backing over a cavity; I'll ask someone I know who used to be a dealer.
One concern you might have about the batteries is accessibility once your tank and plumbing is installed. How will you check/change them out?
I also wonder how you like the std. configuration compared to the "B" model? When we sailed with you on Don's boat, we really liked that layout. Any thoughts?
Joe
D. Stump, Hanalei wrote: I'm about to install an Atlantic T6E water heater in the starboard lazzerette of Hanalei. In there are some wedge shaped shelves moulded into the hull. The forward wedge is the battery mounting shelf and runs almost to the fore and aft bulkhead of the cockpit. There is a smaller wedge shaped shelf running fore and aft behind the batteries, and that is were I want to mount the heater. The question is, what is under these wedge shaped mouldings? Is it wood or just empty space? The Atlantic heater is a little wider than the aft shelf, and I want to build an oak shelf or bracket to hold the inner edge of the heater. This would mean attaching the shelf to the wedge shaped moulding, and I want to know what to expect when I drill into it. I don't want to relocate the batteries unless absolutely necessary, would have to get new cables and all. Any suggestions would be appreciated....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
sankey@gulftel.com
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: You have me at a disadvantage, Sir!
Joe,
You have me at a disadvantage, it has been some time, when did we sail together on Don's boat? Must have been that I had to much Grog or something, 'cause I honestly can't remember.
That may be a fair assumption that there is plywood backing each shelf with a void underneath. I doubt that CD would have placed a solid block of wood there. Let me know what you find out from your dealer friend.
I have thought about battery access with the heater aft. Don's CD had the heater (round Raritan) aft of the batteries and I don't recall any problem pulling the batteries. I figure that if the heater is aft of the batteries, (1) I don't need new B. cables and wiring. (2) If the heater needs a new element, by removing the batteries I will have enough space forward of the heater to pull the element out forwards.
Carol and I have had Hanalei for a year, and we really like the standard setup better than the "B" model. Yes, the "B" did have the advantage of a larger head, a chart table, and a quarter berth, but the standard setup is just great for us. We utilize the "V" berth a lot, both for extra stowage, and as a comfortable sleeping area. Well, actually more for extra stowage than anything else. Oh, the other thing we like is the hanging dinning table. It's up and out of the way on the forward port main cabin bulkhead unlike the fixed one on the "B" model that you always had to trip over to get to the head! That really opens up the cabin when it is stowed.
Hanalei is in the water at Noank Shipyard, if you are in the area, give me a call and we'd like to show her to you.
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
You have me at a disadvantage, it has been some time, when did we sail together on Don's boat? Must have been that I had to much Grog or something, 'cause I honestly can't remember.
That may be a fair assumption that there is plywood backing each shelf with a void underneath. I doubt that CD would have placed a solid block of wood there. Let me know what you find out from your dealer friend.
I have thought about battery access with the heater aft. Don's CD had the heater (round Raritan) aft of the batteries and I don't recall any problem pulling the batteries. I figure that if the heater is aft of the batteries, (1) I don't need new B. cables and wiring. (2) If the heater needs a new element, by removing the batteries I will have enough space forward of the heater to pull the element out forwards.
Carol and I have had Hanalei for a year, and we really like the standard setup better than the "B" model. Yes, the "B" did have the advantage of a larger head, a chart table, and a quarter berth, but the standard setup is just great for us. We utilize the "V" berth a lot, both for extra stowage, and as a comfortable sleeping area. Well, actually more for extra stowage than anything else. Oh, the other thing we like is the hanging dinning table. It's up and out of the way on the forward port main cabin bulkhead unlike the fixed one on the "B" model that you always had to trip over to get to the head! That really opens up the cabin when it is stowed.
Hanalei is in the water at Noank Shipyard, if you are in the area, give me a call and we'd like to show her to you.
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
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Joe Sankey
Re: You have me at a disadvantage, Sir!
Dave:
Sorry. In September ('94?) when Don's boat was for sale, my wife and I flew up and he and his brother (I assumed you) took us sailing up to Stonington for lunch. It was a memorable day for us. We had a 22' to dispose of, so couldn't make it work on that boat. We later got a 28' CD and used the roller furling genoa with various sailcloth weights idea you were using at the time. It worked great for us. I now understand you prefer the cutter rig.
I had responded to a long time ago post in regard to where Don's boat was, and assumed you'd got that message.
Joe
sankey@gulftel.com
Sorry. In September ('94?) when Don's boat was for sale, my wife and I flew up and he and his brother (I assumed you) took us sailing up to Stonington for lunch. It was a memorable day for us. We had a 22' to dispose of, so couldn't make it work on that boat. We later got a 28' CD and used the roller furling genoa with various sailcloth weights idea you were using at the time. It worked great for us. I now understand you prefer the cutter rig.
I had responded to a long time ago post in regard to where Don's boat was, and assumed you'd got that message.
Joe
D. Stump, Hanalei wrote: Joe,
You have me at a disadvantage, it has been some time, when did we sail together on Don's boat? Must have been that I had to much Grog or something, 'cause I honestly can't remember.
That may be a fair assumption that there is plywood backing each shelf with a void underneath. I doubt that CD would have placed a solid block of wood there. Let me know what you find out from your dealer friend.
I have thought about battery access with the heater aft. Don's CD had the heater (round Raritan) aft of the batteries and I don't recall any problem pulling the batteries. I figure that if the heater is aft of the batteries, (1) I don't need new B. cables and wiring. (2) If the heater needs a new element, by removing the batteries I will have enough space forward of the heater to pull the element out forwards.
Carol and I have had Hanalei for a year, and we really like the standard setup better than the "B" model. Yes, the "B" did have the advantage of a larger head, a chart table, and a quarter berth, but the standard setup is just great for us. We utilize the "V" berth a lot, both for extra stowage, and as a comfortable sleeping area. Well, actually more for extra stowage than anything else. Oh, the other thing we like is the hanging dinning table. It's up and out of the way on the forward port main cabin bulkhead unlike the fixed one on the "B" model that you always had to trip over to get to the head! That really opens up the cabin when it is stowed.
Hanalei is in the water at Noank Shipyard, if you are in the area, give me a call and we'd like to show her to you.
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
sankey@gulftel.com
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Tony Betz
Water heater placement
Hi Dave,
On my 1981 33 I have a similar shelf set up- two for the batteries, one inboard and lower than the other- and a longer shelf aft for the water heater and toolbox. My water heater is configured with the hoses protruding from it inboard. Whenever I have to snake down into the locker to get into the engine compartment they are in the way. I would recommend that you consider mounting your water heater sideways with the hoses leading forward over the top of the batteries. My heater would just fit on the shelf aft of the batteries like that, and space would be freed up for another tool box etc. Future project, just need some new hose. Got pretty familiar with that space down there this month - replaced everything from the Universal Coupling back. When I went to realign the engine, discovered the aft height adjustment nuts had been replaced with washers as shims - had to pull the engine up off the mounts to correct. Perfect example of how one thing leads to another with boats! Best regards to all, Tony Betz, Casco Bay, Maine
wildings@ncia.net
On my 1981 33 I have a similar shelf set up- two for the batteries, one inboard and lower than the other- and a longer shelf aft for the water heater and toolbox. My water heater is configured with the hoses protruding from it inboard. Whenever I have to snake down into the locker to get into the engine compartment they are in the way. I would recommend that you consider mounting your water heater sideways with the hoses leading forward over the top of the batteries. My heater would just fit on the shelf aft of the batteries like that, and space would be freed up for another tool box etc. Future project, just need some new hose. Got pretty familiar with that space down there this month - replaced everything from the Universal Coupling back. When I went to realign the engine, discovered the aft height adjustment nuts had been replaced with washers as shims - had to pull the engine up off the mounts to correct. Perfect example of how one thing leads to another with boats! Best regards to all, Tony Betz, Casco Bay, Maine
wildings@ncia.net
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John
air
It's air Dave. Those are hollow fabrications, just riser platforms for mounting equipment, plywood glassed to the hull. I've cut holes in them and run hoses etc. through them. I have a T6E mounted on the forward most platform where your batteries are located. I have nothing mounted on the smaller platform to maintain as much usable space in the locker as possible. Reason is that I have a autopilot linear driveD. Stump, Hanalei wrote: I'm about to install an Atlantic T6E water heater in the starboard lazzerette of Hanalei. In there are some wedge shaped shelves moulded into the hull. The forward wedge is the battery mounting shelf and runs almost to the fore and aft bulkhead of the cockpit. There is a smaller wedge shaped shelf running fore and aft behind the batteries, and that is were I want to mount the heater. The question is, what is under these wedge shaped mouldings? Is it wood or just empty space? The Atlantic heater is a little wider than the aft shelf, and I want to build an oak shelf or bracket to hold the inner edge of the heater. This would mean attaching the shelf to the wedge shaped moulding, and I want to know what to expect when I drill into it. I don't want to relocate the batteries unless absolutely necessary, would have to get new cables and all. Any suggestions would be appreciated....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
unit mounted a little further aft than the small platform so I lose a little space there and make up for it by not mounting any equipment on the small platform. My batteries are located centerline and lower, under the cockpit sole just forward of the steering quadrant. That T6E water heater has been a very good quality piece of equipment, has been used for several years, never have had any problems. I recommend you relocate your batteries, the heater fits perfectly on that platform.
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Steve Alarcon
Re: What's under there????
Dave,
I believe a Raritan water heater came standard on our CD30 when she was new. The water heater was placed outboard on the forward (athwartships) platform, with one battery inboard of the water heater and one aft of the water heater.
I am curious about your choice of water heaters, as we need to replace ours. Have you measured the fit? My lazarette opening is only 16" at the widest end (fwd) and about 14" at the mid point.
Steve Alarcon
CD30 Temerity
Seattle
steve.alarcon@attws.com
I believe a Raritan water heater came standard on our CD30 when she was new. The water heater was placed outboard on the forward (athwartships) platform, with one battery inboard of the water heater and one aft of the water heater.
I am curious about your choice of water heaters, as we need to replace ours. Have you measured the fit? My lazarette opening is only 16" at the widest end (fwd) and about 14" at the mid point.
Steve Alarcon
CD30 Temerity
Seattle
steve.alarcon@attws.com
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John Nuttall
Re: Linear Drive Autopilot
John,
You mentioned having a LD Autop. Which one is it? How do you like it? What boat do you have? How is it mounted?
John Nuttall
CD31 #28
"Aimless"
Oriental, NC
nuttalj@msn.com
You mentioned having a LD Autop. Which one is it? How do you like it? What boat do you have? How is it mounted?
John Nuttall
CD31 #28
"Aimless"
Oriental, NC
nuttalj@msn.com
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: You have me at a disadvantage, Sir!
Joe,
Yes, now I remember!! I spoke to my brother after I read your post, and he said that it sounded like you. I remember it well now. That was a fine day. This Saturday, Carol and I were very close to the same spot. We sailed to East Harbour on Fisher's Island, looking for harbour seals that spend some time on the rocks at the entrance to the harbour this time of year. No seals, but a great day for sailing, anchored in East Harbour for lunch, tried out the new Edson cockpit table, and sailed back to Noank. Glad to hear that you did finally end up with a CD. Hope all is well with her and you have fair winds and following seas.....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
Yes, now I remember!! I spoke to my brother after I read your post, and he said that it sounded like you. I remember it well now. That was a fine day. This Saturday, Carol and I were very close to the same spot. We sailed to East Harbour on Fisher's Island, looking for harbour seals that spend some time on the rocks at the entrance to the harbour this time of year. No seals, but a great day for sailing, anchored in East Harbour for lunch, tried out the new Edson cockpit table, and sailed back to Noank. Glad to hear that you did finally end up with a CD. Hope all is well with her and you have fair winds and following seas.....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: What's under there????
Steve,
The Atlantic T6E water heater is a nice fit in the starboard lazzerett. I spent a lot of time researching the heater. Looked at all of them. Yes, Raritan was the original heater, but their same heater today is insulated with a foamed in place insulation, the cover is no longer removable to allow it to go through the hatch. The Atlantic is a really nice job! All stainless, and a really sharp heater. I placed it in the lazzerette Friday to check fit, came to the conclusion that I will place it against the forward bulkhead as far outboard as possible, and move the batteries to the after small platfgorm with a 3/4" marine ply shelf "extender" to secure them. The only wire I will have to change is the negative ground lead. It just isn't long enough. I was going to place the heater on the small shelf, but that would almost eliminate access to the scupper thru hull valve. And, it would use up a lot of space in the lazzerette. Anyhow, I think the Atlantic is the way to go. Hail me if you have any more Q's....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei
The Atlantic T6E water heater is a nice fit in the starboard lazzerett. I spent a lot of time researching the heater. Looked at all of them. Yes, Raritan was the original heater, but their same heater today is insulated with a foamed in place insulation, the cover is no longer removable to allow it to go through the hatch. The Atlantic is a really nice job! All stainless, and a really sharp heater. I placed it in the lazzerette Friday to check fit, came to the conclusion that I will place it against the forward bulkhead as far outboard as possible, and move the batteries to the after small platfgorm with a 3/4" marine ply shelf "extender" to secure them. The only wire I will have to change is the negative ground lead. It just isn't long enough. I was going to place the heater on the small shelf, but that would almost eliminate access to the scupper thru hull valve. And, it would use up a lot of space in the lazzerette. Anyhow, I think the Atlantic is the way to go. Hail me if you have any more Q's....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei