I am completing the purchase of a 1984 CD30 Cutter and would like info regarding what most owners use for a head sail. This boat is equipped with roller furling and has the original Yankee as well as a 150.
Thanks in advance.
Gary
garym@taxinvest.com
CD30 Head sail
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Carl Jones
Re: CD30 Head sail
I use the yankee and staysail. When I bought my CD30 Cutter, the staysail boom and staysail had been removed and a 150 was on the jib roller furler. It was sailed as a sloop. I sailed her like this for one year, being reluctant to change things immediately. Then I put the staysail and staysail boom on and have never looked back. The yankee and staysail perform as well as the 150 until the wind is aft of the beam, and its very convenient to roll up the yankee when the wind gets up and still have the staysail, which is self-tacking. The only time I've ever put up the 150 since, is when on a long enough broad reach or run to make it worth it.. Hope this helps.Gary McDonough wrote: I am completing the purchase of a 1984 CD30 Cutter and would like info regarding what most owners use for a head sail. This boat is equipped with roller furling and has the original Yankee as well as a 150.
Thanks in advance.
Gary
Fair Seas.
Carl Jones
"Spanish Eyes" CD30
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: CD30 Head sail
Gary,
Hanalei, CD-30, 1984, hull #364 has the original stays'l and Yankee. The Yankee has a modified luff for a Harken roller fuller. I prefer this arrangement for the same reasons as the previous post!
My brother had a CD-30B, also 1984, "Premption" that he had removed the stays'l from and installed a roller furled 150 or 160! I sailed her for two years, and didn't find it any advantage except off the wind. It could be that the expected gain in performance is not there because the mast is stepped further aft on the cutter rig than on a typical sloop rig. But, anyway, having tried it both ways, I prefer the stays'l/yankee sail plan. If the wind is aft the beam, and light, I have an asymetrical spinaker that makes a big difference. For what it's worth...
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
Hanalei, CD-30, 1984, hull #364 has the original stays'l and Yankee. The Yankee has a modified luff for a Harken roller fuller. I prefer this arrangement for the same reasons as the previous post!
My brother had a CD-30B, also 1984, "Premption" that he had removed the stays'l from and installed a roller furled 150 or 160! I sailed her for two years, and didn't find it any advantage except off the wind. It could be that the expected gain in performance is not there because the mast is stepped further aft on the cutter rig than on a typical sloop rig. But, anyway, having tried it both ways, I prefer the stays'l/yankee sail plan. If the wind is aft the beam, and light, I have an asymetrical spinaker that makes a big difference. For what it's worth...
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
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Carl Jones
Re: CD30 Head sail
Captain Stump,D. Stump, Hanalei wrote: Gary,
Hanalei, CD-30, 1984, hull #364 has the original stays'l and Yankee. The Yankee has a modified luff for a Harken roller fuller. I prefer this arrangement for the same reasons as the previous post!
My brother had a CD-30B, also 1984, "Premption" that he had removed the stays'l from and installed a roller furled 150 or 160! I sailed her for two years, and didn't find it any advantage except off the wind. It could be that the expected gain in performance is not there because the mast is stepped further aft on the cutter rig than on a typical sloop rig. But, anyway, having tried it both ways, I prefer the stays'l/yankee sail plan. If the wind is aft the beam, and light, I have an asymetrical spinaker that makes a big difference. For what it's worth...
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
Sounds like we think (or should I say sail) alike. CD30's are great boats aren't they?
I would like to learn more about your experience with the assymetrical spinnaker. For example, what apparent wind angles and speed is she affective at, what type is she (they are so confusing), and anything else you would like to share. My experience with them has not been impressive due to the limited range of apparent wind angles they are affective at, but I am always open to new information. Maybe there's a type out there that is versatile enough to make it worth the purchase. I know that when you are going in the direction that they will fly, they work really well, but your destination has to agree with the sail, or you will be jibing. I sail downwind with a whisker pole and can aim my boat wherever I want to.
I am also curious if anyone out there has tried the old fashioned twin runners. I understand they will work about anywhere between a broad reach on each side.
Spanish Eyes sails well downwind with her present arrangement, but I am open to new (or old but forgotten) ideas.
Thanks,
Carl Jones
CD30 "Spanish Eyes"
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John
Re: CD30 Head sail
Being located in Florida our CD30 #271 only uses the 150 jenny with and without the staysail. The yankee hasn't been out of the bag in many years. Long ago we found there to be a measurable difference in performance using the 150. We have predominately light winds here except for an occassional breezy day in the winter months when fronts from the north blow through. The jenny is adapted on the luff to be furled on a Hood LD furling system as well as the staysail. We also fly a Ulmer "Flasher" that is deployed from a Ulmer "Stasher" sock.Gary McDonough wrote: I am completing the purchase of a 1984 CD30 Cutter and would like info regarding what most owners use for a head sail. This boat is equipped with roller furling and has the original Yankee as well as a 150.
Thanks in advance.
Gary
You need to determine the wind conditions you expect to be sailing in and then outfit the boat accordingly. No one can advise you on what may be best unless our sailing situation matches yours. Try it like it is and you'll discover what's correct for you in time.
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Jay Ankers
Re: CD30 Head sail
Dave:
I agree with the use of the yankee as the best foresail on the CD-30 cutter. Ours works very well from beam reach to beam reach with the staysail. On broad reaches and runs we drop the staysail and the yankee fills a little better and stays more stable.
However, it is not much sail in the light winds of the Atlantic Coast and Chesapeake Bay. So I am interested in the use of a spinnaker. Where do you connect the tack of your asymetrical? Inside or outside the pulpit? And where do you run the sheets back to? A snatchblock near the stern cleats? What is the brand and what is the weight of the cloth?
Regards, Jay
CD-30 "Per Diem"
Chesapeake City, MD
jankers@pii-cgmp.com
I agree with the use of the yankee as the best foresail on the CD-30 cutter. Ours works very well from beam reach to beam reach with the staysail. On broad reaches and runs we drop the staysail and the yankee fills a little better and stays more stable.
However, it is not much sail in the light winds of the Atlantic Coast and Chesapeake Bay. So I am interested in the use of a spinnaker. Where do you connect the tack of your asymetrical? Inside or outside the pulpit? And where do you run the sheets back to? A snatchblock near the stern cleats? What is the brand and what is the weight of the cloth?
Regards, Jay
CD-30 "Per Diem"
Chesapeake City, MD
jankers@pii-cgmp.com
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: CD30 Head sail
Captain Jones,
1st., are you any relation to John Paul? All kidding aside, yes, the CD-30's are just great! You asked a lot about asymetricals, and I'll try to answer as much as I can. As I understand it, an asymetrical spinaker is called variously: a cruising spinaker, a flasher, a drifter/reacher, and any number of other designations depending on manufacturer. The fact is, that it is a light spinaker with unequal length leaches. The shorter leach is the fore stay/tack and the longer leach is the, what I would call the normal leach. Cruising spinaker is probably the fairest designation of all, as I fly it when on one tack for a long period of time. It is possible to gibe it, but I haven't tried that yet. On Hanalei, I call it the RBT (Really Big Thing!) because it scares the hell out of the 1st. Mate when I fly it. It's area is twice that of the mainsail, hence, RBT, because it triples your sail area! Another thing about a cruising spinaker, it does not "mast head" like a true spinaker. I don't know why but it doesn't. Also, some fly it with two sheets, but I fly mine with a single sheet with the tack secured by a short length(about 24")of three strand to a "U" bolt just forward of the forstay. The short length of 3 strand allows the tack to position just above the bow pulpit. The tack end of the 3 strand has a snap shackle spliced to it to create a release point and the sheet also is secured to the spinaker with a light snap shackle, for a second release point. This provides you the ability to drop the sail on the foredeck or to drop it into the cockpit, depending on which shackle you release. Some people fly an asymetrical with two sheets, the "tack" sheet passes through a block on the bowsprit and back to a winch/cleat at the cockpit, the second or "normal sheet passes aft to a block(just in front of the after dock cleat) and then to the sheet winch. This arrangement will allow you to release the tack when running essentially downwind, which will allow the spinaker to belly out in front of the head stay, so it is adjustable.
To get the thing up is another question. Some manufacturer's make a sock, variously called a Stasher, Spinaker sock or whatever. It requires a downhaul to douse the spinaker, and the spinaker is of course inside it when raised, so she doesn't fill till you want it to. I use rubber band stops on mine and find it simple and it doesn't add more lines and clutter to the foredeck. You can purchase a "spinaker gun" from West Mar. for about $25 to apply the bands, but I use a 1 gallon dry wall bucket that I sanded(on a belt sander) the bottom off of and it works just fine. I pull the head of the spinaker through the bucket and slip off a rubber band about every two to three feet, keeping the leaches straight. When I raise the spinaker, I leave the sheet a little slack, hook on the head, and raise her till the luff is tight. Then I slowly walk back to the cockpit and give the sheet a tug. Once she starts to fill, the bands will snap in succession and VIOLA!, she flys!! I haven't sailed off the wind far enough to use a wisker pole yet, but it may not be necessary unless you are running dead downwind. The main keeps the spinaker full most all the time. Also, I do fly it with the stays'l up! Maybe just to have that much more sail area up, and it works well that way, too.
I would fly this in winds of 5-15 knots. single handed, or maybe a little more if I had another hand. Triple the area of the main is a big increase!
You got me on the "old fashioned, twin runners! Don't know what they are, but sounds intresting. What are they and how do they work?
You stated "limited range of apparent wind angles they are effective at". I take that to mean that you don't think you can reach with it. Truly, it is not as effective as a jib, because the luff will never be as straight, but I find I can head up quite a bit flying the asymetrical. Besides, if I'm heading up that much, I'm no longer "cruising", so down comes the RBT!
Hope all this helps, good talking to ya....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
1st., are you any relation to John Paul? All kidding aside, yes, the CD-30's are just great! You asked a lot about asymetricals, and I'll try to answer as much as I can. As I understand it, an asymetrical spinaker is called variously: a cruising spinaker, a flasher, a drifter/reacher, and any number of other designations depending on manufacturer. The fact is, that it is a light spinaker with unequal length leaches. The shorter leach is the fore stay/tack and the longer leach is the, what I would call the normal leach. Cruising spinaker is probably the fairest designation of all, as I fly it when on one tack for a long period of time. It is possible to gibe it, but I haven't tried that yet. On Hanalei, I call it the RBT (Really Big Thing!) because it scares the hell out of the 1st. Mate when I fly it. It's area is twice that of the mainsail, hence, RBT, because it triples your sail area! Another thing about a cruising spinaker, it does not "mast head" like a true spinaker. I don't know why but it doesn't. Also, some fly it with two sheets, but I fly mine with a single sheet with the tack secured by a short length(about 24")of three strand to a "U" bolt just forward of the forstay. The short length of 3 strand allows the tack to position just above the bow pulpit. The tack end of the 3 strand has a snap shackle spliced to it to create a release point and the sheet also is secured to the spinaker with a light snap shackle, for a second release point. This provides you the ability to drop the sail on the foredeck or to drop it into the cockpit, depending on which shackle you release. Some people fly an asymetrical with two sheets, the "tack" sheet passes through a block on the bowsprit and back to a winch/cleat at the cockpit, the second or "normal sheet passes aft to a block(just in front of the after dock cleat) and then to the sheet winch. This arrangement will allow you to release the tack when running essentially downwind, which will allow the spinaker to belly out in front of the head stay, so it is adjustable.
To get the thing up is another question. Some manufacturer's make a sock, variously called a Stasher, Spinaker sock or whatever. It requires a downhaul to douse the spinaker, and the spinaker is of course inside it when raised, so she doesn't fill till you want it to. I use rubber band stops on mine and find it simple and it doesn't add more lines and clutter to the foredeck. You can purchase a "spinaker gun" from West Mar. for about $25 to apply the bands, but I use a 1 gallon dry wall bucket that I sanded(on a belt sander) the bottom off of and it works just fine. I pull the head of the spinaker through the bucket and slip off a rubber band about every two to three feet, keeping the leaches straight. When I raise the spinaker, I leave the sheet a little slack, hook on the head, and raise her till the luff is tight. Then I slowly walk back to the cockpit and give the sheet a tug. Once she starts to fill, the bands will snap in succession and VIOLA!, she flys!! I haven't sailed off the wind far enough to use a wisker pole yet, but it may not be necessary unless you are running dead downwind. The main keeps the spinaker full most all the time. Also, I do fly it with the stays'l up! Maybe just to have that much more sail area up, and it works well that way, too.
I would fly this in winds of 5-15 knots. single handed, or maybe a little more if I had another hand. Triple the area of the main is a big increase!
You got me on the "old fashioned, twin runners! Don't know what they are, but sounds intresting. What are they and how do they work?
You stated "limited range of apparent wind angles they are effective at". I take that to mean that you don't think you can reach with it. Truly, it is not as effective as a jib, because the luff will never be as straight, but I find I can head up quite a bit flying the asymetrical. Besides, if I'm heading up that much, I'm no longer "cruising", so down comes the RBT!
Hope all this helps, good talking to ya....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: CD30 Head sail
Jay,
Take a look at the answer I just posted for Captain Jones! It might answer a lot! I don't know what brand I have, but it is an asymetrical spinaker of, I would say, typical light weight spinaker cloth. I like it, and think it works great in light winds. If you have more questions, hail me again....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
Take a look at the answer I just posted for Captain Jones! It might answer a lot! I don't know what brand I have, but it is an asymetrical spinaker of, I would say, typical light weight spinaker cloth. I like it, and think it works great in light winds. If you have more questions, hail me again....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
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Carl Jones
Re: CD30 Head sail
Am I related to John Paul? By blood, no, In spirit, yes. I might sound a bit old fashioned, but I like traditional boats and traditional seamanship, simply because traditional methods work the best at sea. That's why I have a Cape Dory.D. Stump, Hanalei wrote: Captain Jones,
1st., are you any relation to John Paul? All kidding aside, yes, the CD-30's are just great! You asked a lot about asymetricals, and I'll try to answer as much as I can. As I understand it, an asymetrical spinaker is called variously: a cruising spinaker, a flasher, a drifter/reacher, and any number of other designations depending on manufacturer. The fact is, that it is a light spinaker with unequal length leaches. The shorter leach is the fore stay/tack and the longer leach is the, what I would call the normal leach. Cruising spinaker is probably the fairest designation of all, as I fly it when on one tack for a long period of time. It is possible to gibe it, but I haven't tried that yet. On Hanalei, I call it the RBT (Really Big Thing!) because it scares the hell out of the 1st. Mate when I fly it. It's area is twice that of the mainsail, hence, RBT, because it triples your sail area! Another thing about a cruising spinaker, it does not "mast head" like a true spinaker. I don't know why but it doesn't. Also, some fly it with two sheets, but I fly mine with a single sheet with the tack secured by a short length(about 24")of three strand to a "U" bolt just forward of the forstay. The short length of 3 strand allows the tack to position just above the bow pulpit. The tack end of the 3 strand has a snap shackle spliced to it to create a release point and the sheet also is secured to the spinaker with a light snap shackle, for a second release point. This provides you the ability to drop the sail on the foredeck or to drop it into the cockpit, depending on which shackle you release. Some people fly an asymetrical with two sheets, the "tack" sheet passes through a block on the bowsprit and back to a winch/cleat at the cockpit, the second or "normal sheet passes aft to a block(just in front of the after dock cleat) and then to the sheet winch. This arrangement will allow you to release the tack when running essentially downwind, which will allow the spinaker to belly out in front of the head stay, so it is adjustable.
To get the thing up is another question. Some manufacturer's make a sock, variously called a Stasher, Spinaker sock or whatever. It requires a downhaul to douse the spinaker, and the spinaker is of course inside it when raised, so she doesn't fill till you want it to. I use rubber band stops on mine and find it simple and it doesn't add more lines and clutter to the foredeck. You can purchase a "spinaker gun" from West Mar. for about $25 to apply the bands, but I use a 1 gallon dry wall bucket that I sanded(on a belt sander) the bottom off of and it works just fine. I pull the head of the spinaker through the bucket and slip off a rubber band about every two to three feet, keeping the leaches straight. When I raise the spinaker, I leave the sheet a little slack, hook on the head, and raise her till the luff is tight. Then I slowly walk back to the cockpit and give the sheet a tug. Once she starts to fill, the bands will snap in succession and VIOLA!, she flys!! I haven't sailed off the wind far enough to use a wisker pole yet, but it may not be necessary unless you are running dead downwind. The main keeps the spinaker full most all the time. Also, I do fly it with the stays'l up! Maybe just to have that much more sail area up, and it works well that way, too.
I would fly this in winds of 5-15 knots. single handed, or maybe a little more if I had another hand. Triple the area of the main is a big increase!
You got me on the "old fashioned, twin runners! Don't know what they are, but sounds intresting. What are they and how do they work?
You stated "limited range of apparent wind angles they are effective at". I take that to mean that you don't think you can reach with it. Truly, it is not as effective as a jib, because the luff will never be as straight, but I find I can head up quite a bit flying the asymetrical. Besides, if I'm heading up that much, I'm no longer "cruising", so down comes the RBT!
Hope all this helps, good talking to ya....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
My reference to the limited range of apparent wind angles for asymetrical spinnakers refers to my experience on my neighbor's boat. His cruising chute would only fly from about 20 degrees forward of the beam to 30 degrees aft of the beam. The advertisements claim more than that, but experience has proved different. If you know how to fly one dead down wind, I would like to know. I have limited experience here.
Twin runners are two jibs of identical size, flown from the head stay, and poled out port and starboard. They used to be very popular among old salts, especially when running down the trades, but seem to be "out of fashion" now to the extent that many folks like yourself don't know about them. They made a very powerful and easy to handle (read that single hand) downwind arrangement, and will run from about a broad reach on either tack, to dead downwind. If they worked good then, they will work good now, but I don't know anyone to talk to personally, with experience with them. I'm still looking for someone that has used them so if anyone such as that reads this, let me know.
Thanks for all you information,
Carl Jones
CD30 "Spanish Eyes"
GreatCells@aol.com
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: CD30 Head sail
Carl,
Thanks for the info. about twin runners. Only drawback I see is that you would need twin jib halyards. Also, I would think that the main would tend to blanket the le'ward jib, so I'll bet people have gotten away from the twin runner arrangement and instead run the main and whatever single jib "wing and wing".
As far as the asymetrical off the wind, I too haven't had much experience with it. I hope to use it more this year. Will let you know how I make out. It may be that I will attach a second sheet through a block at the tack so that I can ease the tack when running off the wind. Fair winds...
Dave Stump
Thanks for the info. about twin runners. Only drawback I see is that you would need twin jib halyards. Also, I would think that the main would tend to blanket the le'ward jib, so I'll bet people have gotten away from the twin runner arrangement and instead run the main and whatever single jib "wing and wing".
As far as the asymetrical off the wind, I too haven't had much experience with it. I hope to use it more this year. Will let you know how I make out. It may be that I will attach a second sheet through a block at the tack so that I can ease the tack when running off the wind. Fair winds...
Dave Stump
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Ed Haley
Re: CD30 Head sail
I like this thread because I'm going to try a few things this summer that's related to the asymetrical spinnaker and twin jib headsails.
I have used my cruising spinnaker on my CD28 in light winds using two sheets. When I jibe, the spinnaker is slowly lead around the headstay using the new sheet but not until the spinnaker is dead downwind. I turn the boat slowly to make sure this isn't a hurried event. If I'm sailing alone, I have the main put away. The CS, as has been indicated, sails from 30 degrees or so ahead of the stern to just forward of the beam. The tack of the CS is adjusted as the CS mover forward. The tack is kept at the level of the top of the pulpit when sailing with the wind 30 degrees off the stern. As the CS is moved forward to a beam reach course of sail, the tack is allowed to rise to the level of the boom using a collar of sorts that goes around the furled jib or bare headstay. If it is windy, I may sail a broad reach
Of course, the sail cannot efficiently go directly downwind and this course is what I'm going to play with this summer using twin jibs, whisker poles and the jib furler. The jibs will have to be of different sizes. When twin running headsails were used in the past it was without the main just as often with the main. I don't know why.
When I'm through testing this arrangement this summer, I'll post a message to let you know what worked and what didn't.
eghaley@dreamscape.com
I have used my cruising spinnaker on my CD28 in light winds using two sheets. When I jibe, the spinnaker is slowly lead around the headstay using the new sheet but not until the spinnaker is dead downwind. I turn the boat slowly to make sure this isn't a hurried event. If I'm sailing alone, I have the main put away. The CS, as has been indicated, sails from 30 degrees or so ahead of the stern to just forward of the beam. The tack of the CS is adjusted as the CS mover forward. The tack is kept at the level of the top of the pulpit when sailing with the wind 30 degrees off the stern. As the CS is moved forward to a beam reach course of sail, the tack is allowed to rise to the level of the boom using a collar of sorts that goes around the furled jib or bare headstay. If it is windy, I may sail a broad reach
Of course, the sail cannot efficiently go directly downwind and this course is what I'm going to play with this summer using twin jibs, whisker poles and the jib furler. The jibs will have to be of different sizes. When twin running headsails were used in the past it was without the main just as often with the main. I don't know why.
When I'm through testing this arrangement this summer, I'll post a message to let you know what worked and what didn't.
eghaley@dreamscape.com
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: CD30 Head sail
Captain Haley,
I like it too, because, not only can we sail what we like, we can try other things that we alone may never have contemplated. I'm intrested now in flying the CS with the wind of the quarter and seeing how she works. Didn't have the time to do it last year. I would be interested in what you find out about the twin runner situation.
These are dynamite vessels, aren't they???
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
I like it too, because, not only can we sail what we like, we can try other things that we alone may never have contemplated. I'm intrested now in flying the CS with the wind of the quarter and seeing how she works. Didn't have the time to do it last year. I would be interested in what you find out about the twin runner situation.
These are dynamite vessels, aren't they???
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
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Ed Haley
Re: CD30 Head sail
The previous message I sent should have read:
The tack is kept at the level of the boom when sailing with the wind 30 degrees off the stern. As the CS is moved forward to a beam reach course of sail, the tack is brought down to the level of the pulpit.
Please excuse my typo. I should make sure my brain is engaged before I put my keyboard into gear! Gee, I hope I installed that halyard restrainer on the jib halyard instead of the main halyard yesterday. Hahahaha! Sometimes I think I'm on the hard instead of Jasmine.
eghaley@dreamscape.com
The tack is kept at the level of the boom when sailing with the wind 30 degrees off the stern. As the CS is moved forward to a beam reach course of sail, the tack is brought down to the level of the pulpit.
Please excuse my typo. I should make sure my brain is engaged before I put my keyboard into gear! Gee, I hope I installed that halyard restrainer on the jib halyard instead of the main halyard yesterday. Hahahaha! Sometimes I think I'm on the hard instead of Jasmine.
eghaley@dreamscape.com
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Carl Jones
Re: CD30 Head sail
Dave,D. Stump, Hanalei wrote: Carl,
Thanks for the info. about twin runners. Only drawback I see is that you would need twin jib halyards. Also, I would think that the main would tend to blanket the le'ward jib, so I'll bet people have gotten away from the twin runner arrangement and instead run the main and whatever single jib "wing and wing".
As far as the asymetrical off the wind, I too haven't had much experience with it. I hope to use it more this year. Will let you know how I make out. It may be that I will attach a second sheet through a block at the tack so that I can ease the tack when running off the wind. Fair winds...
Dave Stump
I think Captain Haley answered this question in one of his posts, but to reiterate, the twin runners were used without the main. Since you aren't using the main, you could use the main halyard to raise one of the jibs. You have to tie it to the end you normally cleat, but it works fine.
I make a memorable run of 40 miles in my previous 7000lb 25ft double ended wood boat with my drifter on the leeward side, and my 150 poled out to windward. I just kept it slightly to windward. Talk about a RBT! I probably had at least 400% of the fore triangle up! We averaged 5 knots in very light air, great speed for that vessel. So I've experienced running with two jibs, but not with purpose designed twin jibs. That's what I'm looking for.
Fair Seas,
Carl Jones
CD30 "Spanish Eyes"
GreatCells@aol.com
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Ed Haley
Re: CD30 Head sail
Captain Carl:Carl Jones wrote: I make a memorable run of 40 miles in my previous 7000lb 25ft double ended wood boat with my drifter on the leeward side, and my 150 poled out to windward. I just kept it slightly to windward. Talk about a RBT! I probably had at least 400% of the fore triangle up! We averaged 5 knots in very light air, great speed for that vessel. So I've experienced running with two jibs, but not with purpose designed twin jibs. That's what I'm looking for.
When I read your downhill run experience, I thought of a 12 hour run from Oak Orchard Yacht Club to Oswego Marina on Lake Ontario (75 miles) that we had last summer just after placing third in the Level Regatta at Youngstown, NY (Yes, we raced my CD28). The wind was behind us blowing around 20-25 kn and generating 3-5 foot seas. I had just a 130 for a headsail and no main. We were sailing dead downwind. The knotmeter read 6.5 to 7.0 most of the way except for those fantastic surfs down the front of a wave when we'd hit 8.0 knots or more. On one occasion (and only one) we surfed down a steep one and the knotmeter read exactly 10.0 knots. What a sleighride! We tried to prolong the time spent surfing on each wave but the waves were so steep we never perceived that we were on the front of a wave at all, sort of just "bumped" along. Fresh water waves are steeper than salt water waves, given the same conditions.
All speeds were recorded by both my Garmin 48 GPS and my knotmeter. If I can set twin-headed sails, perhaps I can adjust the sail on the furlable 130 that, together with the drifter or other headsail, will keep us on the front of most waves. Ah, heaven!
eghaley@dreamscape.com