Running under power in a strong current

[Jim]

Help me choose the right size CD and appropriate power! I am considering the Typhoon, Typhoon Senior, 22, 22D, 25 and 25D. This is a big range! I have little experience sailing (but many years power boating in Cape Cod waters). I will moor my boat in a small cove at the entrance to the Cape Cod Canal which has a notorious 5-7 knot current which switches direction with each tide. I need to get in and out of this cove under power to enter Buzzards Bay or to navigate the canal to Cape Cod Bay. We are a family of three incuding a small child and the boat will be used for mainly for day sailing on Buzzards Bay (several times a week) with an occasional overnight to nearby islands (probably just a couple times a year). Thanks.



policedog@capecod.net

[Chris Reinke]

Jim - From your description you sound like you are in the vacinity of Onset. I hope you have been following the postings on the CD owners rendezvous scheduled for Onset Bay on July 17/18. I anticipate 20 - 30 CD's on Onset for a weekend of sharing tails and expereinces. If you are in the area I would encourage you to join us. Look at other previous postings I have made on this board. I expect a couple of local Typoon's and 25's to attend so perhaps you could find a crew spot and see how she handles the waters first hand.

FYI - I have navigated the entrance to Onset Bay for many years in an O'Day 19 with Evinrude 9.9. By shadowing the sides of the Canal it is possible to avoid the stronge central canal currents and then make a quick crossing to the bay entrance.

Help me choose the right size CD and appropriate power! I am considering the Typhoon, Typhoon Senior, 22, 22D, 25 and 25D. This is a big range! I have little experience sailing (but many years power boating in Cape Cod waters). I will moor my boat in a small cove at the entrance to the Cape Cod Canal which has a notorious 5-7 knot current which switches direction with each tide. I need to get in and out of this cove under power to enter Buzzards Bay or to navigate the canal to Cape Cod Bay. We are a family of three incuding a small child and the boat will be used for mainly for day sailing on Buzzards Bay (several times a week) with an occasional overnight to nearby islands (probably just a couple times a year). Thanks.

Chris.reinke@transamerica.com

[Neil Gordon]

>>... 5-7 knot current ...<<

I'd think that the 25D would give you the best shot of beating the current. I doubt the Typhoon has the hull speed even if it has the power.

>>We are a family of three incuding a small child ...<<

Assuming the kid eats regularly, he/she won't be small for long!!! <g> If you're planning an occasional overnight, go for the bigger boat.


Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167



neil@nrgordon.com

[zeida]

Jim: With a family of 3 -wife and small kid- you should not even think of the Typhoon, which is an excellent boat for two young people, or one or maybe two senior sailors just out for the afternoon... The Ty has very little room and/or sail power. Even with a rollerfurler genny, she is only good for small distances. No people comforts whatsoever. On the other hand, the 25 regular or diesel, is a great sailing vessel, with enough room inside (sitting) to be protected from rain, etc., has room for sleeping, portapotty, is a complete small yatch. You can upgrade the 25 to where she is a very competent sailboat. Drawback on the regular: the lazarette, or place where the outboard engine goes, does not fit the newer Evinruds, Johnsons, et al... in the market today. the 9.9 outboard is the recommended motor for the 25. Mercury makes a 9.9 that somewhat fits in the well with the throttle handle pushed all the way back into the well. I owned a CD25 regular for 18 years, and with my 9.9 and the sails up had no trouble following and keeping up with a Catalina 30 under sail and motoring, as well as with other 28's in Biscayne Bay in Florida. The 25D has an extremely small engine compartment, making the maintenance of same a hardship. it also makes for a smaller area inside. the 25 regular is an easier boat to maintain. hope you find one in just the right condition, try to get her with roller furler, it will make your life more pleasant. I now have sold my 25 and presently own a CD33.
Good luck.
Zeida
Bandolera II, CD-33
Key Biscayne, FL



zcecil@ibm.net

[BobM.]

Help me choose the right size CD and appropriate power! I am considering the Typhoon, Typhoon Senior, 22, 22D, 25 and 25D. This is a big range! I have little experience sailing (but many years power boating in Cape Cod waters). I will moor my boat in a small cove at the entrance to the Cape Cod Canal which has a notorious 5-7 knot current which switches direction with each tide. I need to get in and out of this cove under power to enter Buzzards Bay or to navigate the canal to Cape Cod Bay. We are a family of three incuding a small child and the boat will be used for mainly for day sailing on Buzzards Bay (several times a week) with an occasional overnight to nearby islands (probably just a couple times a year). Thanks.

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Jim:

We currently own a CD25D. We are also a family of three, my son is 6 years old, and we have cruised throughout most of the Northeast except Maine (hopeful soon we will). We have had our CD25D for 13 years and it is an ideal pocket cruiser that is very capable with good offshore seakeeping abilities. It is a very inexpensive boat to operate with a 6.5 HP. Yanmar Diesel. We live on the south shore of Long Island and hail from Amityville. We will usually transit to Block Island through the Fire Island Inlet to the Ocean for one long offshore leg. One summer we left without any wind for an over night passage to Block Island and we had to motor the whole leg over 200 miles using only 5.5 gallons of fuel, which was about half our tankage. I was surprised how frugal the motor was on this long leg without any wind. The boat will easily cruise at hull speed all day long at 2100 to 2200 RPM because of her narrow 8 foot beam. We have encountered fast currents within the ranges you mention while transiting through the ICW and the boat has proven to be faster than boats of much larger size who we happened to be traveling in the company of on a cruise. If you need additional info just send an email.

Bob
Ranger #144



rmalinka@spec.net

[Lee H. Hodsdon]

Jim,

I've owned a Typhoon, and currently own a 25D. We travel the Piscataqua river from Great Bay to the Atlantic, similar conditions to the canal. The Typhoon was powered by a 4hp British Seagull with an alternator and a small storage battery. We timed our trips to coincide with the tide. On the occasions our enthusiasm kept us later the trip upstream was quite slow, even snail like - but we made it. My wife and I cruised from Portsmouth, NH to Robinhood, ME. Ten day round trip, wonderful anchorages, great sailing, good food but quite cramped. It was like camping in a small tent, but in this case the tent carried us.

We now cruise in a 25D powered by a fresh water cooled Westerbeke 10-2, a twin cylinder diesel. This handles the river quite nicely in both directions, though against an ebbing tide is still slow. We now have ample electric power, pressurized hot water, a shower, sleeps 4, 6' headroom (estimated, I'm only 5'8" tall). We've cruised to Roque Island and are going to Nova Scotia in 2000.

I'd suggest a couple of "test sails" with the family prior to the purchase.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

Sincerely,

Lee



lhodsdon@nh.ultranet.com

[Arnold Amenda]

Help me choose the right size CD and appropriate power! I am considering the Typhoon, Typhoon Senior, 22, 22D, 25 and 25D. This is a big range! I have little experience sailing (but many years power boating in Cape Cod waters). I will moor my boat in a small cove at the entrance to the Cape Cod Canal which has a notorious 5-7 knot current which switches direction with each tide. I need to get in and out of this cove under power to enter Buzzards Bay or to navigate the canal to Cape Cod Bay. We are a family of three incuding a small child and the boat will be used for mainly for day sailing on Buzzards Bay (several times a week) with an occasional overnight to nearby islands (probably just a couple times a year). Thanks.

O.K., I own a Typhoon Daysailer, with a great boom tent and I have sailed her out for over a week a couple of times. The daysailer has more room than the Weekender if you are willing to sleep under a boom tent. I agree that the Typhoon will be too slow to overcome fast tidal currents. Also the Typhoon is too small for three. But, I have learned more about currents than my friends in bigger faster boats. I say, if you want to motor through all adverse conditions, buy a power boat. Have fun.

Arnold Amenda



aamenda@ix.netcom.com