Hi All,
In reference to the Bermuda post and after freezing my ___ off last June sailing to Mike's home in Hyannis, I am interested in installing a Newport solid fuel stove on 'Evening Light' (CD33).
I have read the previous posts on the subject with interest. However the PO of 'Evening Light' installed a beautiful bookshelf / stereo holder on the main salon forward bulkhead just to port of the mast. I am VERY reluctant to mess with it (my idea of interior finish woodworking involves a 2x6 and a chainsaw - well maybe just a Sawsall.)
Has anyone with a CD33 / CD36 layout installed a stove on the fwd bulkhead stbd side?
Any suggestions? (About the stove, Warren!!)
Fair Winds,
Leo
F/S 'Evening Light'
Groton, CT USA
(and understudy / go-for to the NE Fleet Bermuda coordinator, Mike)
macdoreNOSPAM@aol.com
Solid Fuel Stove on CD33
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Gary L.
Re: Solid Fuel Stove on CD33
Leo,Leo MacDonald CD33 wrote: Hi All,
In reference to the Bermuda post and after freezing my ___ off last June sailing to Mike's home in Hyannis, I am interested in installing a Newport solid fuel stove on 'Evening Light' (CD33).
I have read the previous posts on the subject with interest. However the PO of 'Evening Light' installed a beautiful bookshelf / stereo holder on the main salon forward bulkhead just to port of the mast. I am VERY reluctant to mess with it (my idea of interior finish woodworking involves a 2x6 and a chainsaw - well maybe just a Sawsall.)
Has anyone with a CD33 / CD36 layout installed a stove on the fwd bulkhead stbd side?
Any suggestions? (About the stove, Warren!!)
Fair Winds,
Leo
F/S 'Evening Light'
Groton, CT USA
(and understudy / go-for to the NE Fleet Bermuda coordinator, Mike)
You can forget the stove and purchase some polypropalene underwear. Much cheaper and doesn't require fuel (Just kidding). Although I do not, yet, have a solid or diesel fueled stove in Red Witch III, I have seen them on the portside salon bulkhead on a Mason 33, where a friend had a tiled covered shelf and back plate. Another friend Peter M., who is restoring his Seawind 30, has his diesel fueled stove mounted on the starboard side companionway bulkhead, but then he lives aboard year round. I would imagine that you could mount the stove just about anywhere, that you would not be bumping into it, nor having the chiminey burning your sails above. Maybe checking with either/ or both the manufacturer or your insurance company first could render some important information. Me, I prefer a good oil lamp, mulled rum, and polypropalene underwear.
Maybe not-so-good-advice,
Gary Lapine
Red Witch III
CD30C, #339
dory26@attbi.com
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Joel Silverberg
Re: Solid Fuel Stove on CD33
One of the previous owners of my CD27 installed a small Force-10 stove
in the recess of the starboard bulkhead. From the documentation, it appears to be able to burn either kerosene or diesel. What are
the pros and cons to be considered in choice of fuel.
in the recess of the starboard bulkhead. From the documentation, it appears to be able to burn either kerosene or diesel. What are
the pros and cons to be considered in choice of fuel.
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Ed Haley
Re: Solid Fuel Stove on CD33
Hi, Leo:
Your proposed trip sounds like fun. I'll betcha that the planning will be just as much fun as the trip itself!
Mokita has a Balmar kerosene drip heater similar to a Dickinson Newport stove. You can read a descrption how it works at http://www.irbs.com/lists/live-aboard/9707/0407.html
My stove is mounted on the port side at the end of the port settee, immediately aft and adjoining the closet. It burns outside air (a must) and then exhausts the burned gases out a Charlie Noble stack. It puts out about 2000 BTU of heat if you have it turned up to max.
I'm sure you know the effects of using an interior flame to provide heat on a cold boat. It will rain on the inside from all the condensation. Everything will get wet. I'm not sure which solid fuel stove you're looking at but I'm sure it draws in outside air. I wish I had a picture of the stove. If you're interested I could get it for you in a week or so.
Ed Haley
s/v Mokita
CD330 #1
Kingston, ON
eghaleyNOSPAM@twcny.rr.com
Your proposed trip sounds like fun. I'll betcha that the planning will be just as much fun as the trip itself!
Mokita has a Balmar kerosene drip heater similar to a Dickinson Newport stove. You can read a descrption how it works at http://www.irbs.com/lists/live-aboard/9707/0407.html
My stove is mounted on the port side at the end of the port settee, immediately aft and adjoining the closet. It burns outside air (a must) and then exhausts the burned gases out a Charlie Noble stack. It puts out about 2000 BTU of heat if you have it turned up to max.
I'm sure you know the effects of using an interior flame to provide heat on a cold boat. It will rain on the inside from all the condensation. Everything will get wet. I'm not sure which solid fuel stove you're looking at but I'm sure it draws in outside air. I wish I had a picture of the stove. If you're interested I could get it for you in a week or so.
Ed Haley
s/v Mokita
CD330 #1
Kingston, ON
eghaleyNOSPAM@twcny.rr.com
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Mario
Re: Solid Fuel Stove on CD33
Rhapsody came with a kerosene heater mounted to the port bulkhead that we have never used so I can't speak to its efficiency or safety.
One alternative you might want to look into for occasional use is a combination heater/burner made by Century that runs off a 16oz propane bottle. I can't imagine that it's cost effective for regular use, but it looks like it would warm up a chilly cabin. Of course, you'd have to make sure it was stable and couldn't fall over.
Campmor sells them for $55. Can also be used as a one-burner back up stove in case you run out of LPG.
Mario
capedory252NOSPAM@aol.com
One alternative you might want to look into for occasional use is a combination heater/burner made by Century that runs off a 16oz propane bottle. I can't imagine that it's cost effective for regular use, but it looks like it would warm up a chilly cabin. Of course, you'd have to make sure it was stable and couldn't fall over.
Campmor sells them for $55. Can also be used as a one-burner back up stove in case you run out of LPG.
Mario
Leo MacDonald CD33 wrote: Hi All,
In reference to the Bermuda post and after freezing my ___ off last June sailing to Mike's home in Hyannis, I am interested in installing a Newport solid fuel stove on 'Evening Light' (CD33).
capedory252NOSPAM@aol.com
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Richard Feffer
Re: An alternative?
Don't most Cape Dorys of about 30 feet and over have an oven? Is lighting the oven and leaving the door slightly ajar an option? I've also used the clay pots over the burners trick on occasion to take the chill off. Either method should work for a quick warm up, not sure about more than an hour or so.
Richard Feffer
Adamarie
CD30MKII
Stamford, CT
RichFef@Optonline.net
Richard Feffer
Adamarie
CD30MKII
Stamford, CT
RichFef@Optonline.net
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Paul D.
Re: Solid Fuel Stove on CD33
Leo,
I installed with my brother a Dickinsen Newport wood stove aboard our CD 33 this spring. We put it on the port bulkhead next to the mast at a height that allows feet to be underneath it with the berth pulled out. We used a piece of Durarock covered by a sheet of copper for the heat shield on the bulkhead and bolted the whole thing with the stove. The stack was where I blew the money. It goes straight up then takes a 4 inch jog aft to get away from the head dorade box on deck. The deck plate is a heavy brass round with 12" charlie noble that screws in. It can be removed for a flush mount O-ring sealed screw cover for heavy weather.
This system worked very well this season and Superior needs heat! The type of wood/charcoal you burn makes a big difference in even heating quality. If you have any questions, let me know. I made a few mistakes with this but it looks great and is very solid and does not get in the way. Best of all, it heats the boat very, very nicely with DRY heat and can be used for just an hour or day after day.
It's my solution,
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77 Christine Lynn
MPLS MN
nyeme001@tc.umn.edu
I installed with my brother a Dickinsen Newport wood stove aboard our CD 33 this spring. We put it on the port bulkhead next to the mast at a height that allows feet to be underneath it with the berth pulled out. We used a piece of Durarock covered by a sheet of copper for the heat shield on the bulkhead and bolted the whole thing with the stove. The stack was where I blew the money. It goes straight up then takes a 4 inch jog aft to get away from the head dorade box on deck. The deck plate is a heavy brass round with 12" charlie noble that screws in. It can be removed for a flush mount O-ring sealed screw cover for heavy weather.
This system worked very well this season and Superior needs heat! The type of wood/charcoal you burn makes a big difference in even heating quality. If you have any questions, let me know. I made a few mistakes with this but it looks great and is very solid and does not get in the way. Best of all, it heats the boat very, very nicely with DRY heat and can be used for just an hour or day after day.
It's my solution,
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77 Christine Lynn
MPLS MN
nyeme001@tc.umn.edu
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Bill
Re: Solid Fuel Stove on CD33
Hi Paul
Just curious, but how long does the fire stay lite on "typical" all day fire and B) what does it do to the deck (soot)?????
Thanks in advance
Bill
Captain Commanding
S/V Rhapsody (the Original)
CD25D #148
Flunkey to the Flunkey F/S Evening Light
Oklahoma Contingent if the NE Fleet, CDSOA, Inc
Galley Wench S/V Evening Light
<b><FONT COLOR="#ff0000" SIZE="+2">Gunnery Officer F/S Evening Light</B></font>
<A HREF="http://www.applegatemarina.com/">Kerr Lake, OK (Oklahoma's Outlet to the Sea)</A>
cd25d@rhapsodysails.com
Just curious, but how long does the fire stay lite on "typical" all day fire and B) what does it do to the deck (soot)?????
Thanks in advance
Bill
Captain Commanding
S/V Rhapsody (the Original)
CD25D #148
Flunkey to the Flunkey F/S Evening Light
Oklahoma Contingent if the NE Fleet, CDSOA, Inc
Galley Wench S/V Evening Light
<b><FONT COLOR="#ff0000" SIZE="+2">Gunnery Officer F/S Evening Light</B></font>
<A HREF="http://www.applegatemarina.com/">Kerr Lake, OK (Oklahoma's Outlet to the Sea)</A>
Paul D. wrote: Leo,
I installed with my brother a Dickinsen Newport wood stove aboard our CD 33 this spring. We put it on the port bulkhead next to the mast at a height that allows feet to be underneath it with the berth pulled out. We used a piece of Durarock covered by a sheet of copper for the heat shield on the bulkhead and bolted the whole thing with the stove. The stack was where I blew the money. It goes straight up then takes a 4 inch jog aft to get away from the head dorade box on deck. The deck plate is a heavy brass round with 12" charlie noble that screws in. It can be removed for a flush mount O-ring sealed screw cover for heavy weather.
This system worked very well this season and Superior needs heat! The type of wood/charcoal you burn makes a big difference in even heating quality. If you have any questions, let me know. I made a few mistakes with this but it looks great and is very solid and does not get in the way. Best of all, it heats the boat very, very nicely with DRY heat and can be used for just an hour or day after day.
It's my solution,
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77 Christine Lynn
MPLS MN
cd25d@rhapsodysails.com
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Paul D.
Re: Solid Fuel Stove on CD33
Bill,
We have to refill it at minimum every 45 minutes to an hour with good sized chunks, half hour is best if you want it hot.
Deck soot is present but less with wood than with charcoal. I won't use charcoal unless desperate.
Paul
nyeme001@tc.umn.edu
We have to refill it at minimum every 45 minutes to an hour with good sized chunks, half hour is best if you want it hot.
Deck soot is present but less with wood than with charcoal. I won't use charcoal unless desperate.
Paul
nyeme001@tc.umn.edu
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davidlow
Re: Solid Fuel Stove on CD33
FWIW
I put a Newport on my CD30 last fall. Finished it day after Thanksgiving and used it several times during the winter.
I have burned red oak flooring (dry as a bone) and charcoal. All in all, I feel much more comfortable with the charcoal. Even with it choked down (stack and stove dampers closed) the fire box gets hot darn hot with wood. This makes the stainless steel panels warp some and allow more combustion air to enter and make the stove even hotter. Charcoal is a lot more mellow and last a lot longer. It does not put out as much heat but in Virginia that has not been a problem.
I will try coal and wood pellets this year. Also investigating adding some soapstone tile to increase thermal mass. May be able to safely use wood then.
I used a brushed stainless steel reflector panel behind the stove (its good to have a twin brother in the metal business) and added two 45 degree offsets to avoid the fiberglass beams for the cabin top mast step. I used a 5" hole saw (the 7" is a missprint in the manual) and a tapered teak winch block for the deck.
Its a great short duty stove and real pretty to look at. When I do it again (in 20 years on my CD36) I will select a heavier model with more thermal mass.
Dave
davidlow@erols.com
I put a Newport on my CD30 last fall. Finished it day after Thanksgiving and used it several times during the winter.
I have burned red oak flooring (dry as a bone) and charcoal. All in all, I feel much more comfortable with the charcoal. Even with it choked down (stack and stove dampers closed) the fire box gets hot darn hot with wood. This makes the stainless steel panels warp some and allow more combustion air to enter and make the stove even hotter. Charcoal is a lot more mellow and last a lot longer. It does not put out as much heat but in Virginia that has not been a problem.
I will try coal and wood pellets this year. Also investigating adding some soapstone tile to increase thermal mass. May be able to safely use wood then.
I used a brushed stainless steel reflector panel behind the stove (its good to have a twin brother in the metal business) and added two 45 degree offsets to avoid the fiberglass beams for the cabin top mast step. I used a 5" hole saw (the 7" is a missprint in the manual) and a tapered teak winch block for the deck.
Its a great short duty stove and real pretty to look at. When I do it again (in 20 years on my CD36) I will select a heavier model with more thermal mass.
Dave
davidlow@erols.com