NICE WEEKEND SAILING
Moderator: Jim Walsh
NICE WEEKEND SAILING
Just got back from the boat, and a weekend full of sailing that was easily the best this year so far.
We had a series of cold fronts and associated lows pass over the area, drawing down cold Canadian air, which caused some very brisk winds in the 25-35 kt range both days. Along with a brilliant sun on Saturday, and scattered cold showers Sunday, we got a good variety of weather..all cold. It froze last night, and temps were not above 45 deg. on the lake today, but about 50 deg. Saturday. The lake was easily 10 deg. warmer than the air.
This morning we left Rocky Island at a late 9:30, reefed main and staysail only, and were immediately surprised by the bolt holding the reefing hook on the boom exploding apart, with the reefing hook flying back into the cockpit (over the dodger, with 35 kts of wind..eegads what are the chances?). Rounding up into 5fters was a real kick..Uuuup and Doooown the bow went..while I tried to slip the reefing ring on the sail into the gooseneck fitting for the mainsails foot..they fit. So off we went, sheeted in tight, heeling immediately to 40 deg., then as we passed thru 6.8 kts., and I pointed a tad higher, the angle came up to 30 deg.. We were flying..7.4 kts top and above 6.3kts the whole trip. We left Rocky Island behind a beautiful Pacific Seacraft 34, perhaps a mile ahead of us, and on a slightly different angle to round the 3 islands we needed to round before entering the West Channel. 30 minutes into the sail, we were on their stern, perhaps 300 ft off. While we never passed them, as their course was for another marina, we caught up to them and I felt we could have easily outpointed them..with more sail area, and 4 ft. to their advantage. Love that boat of ours!
The weather was cold enough to get the wood stove fired up, and Jan and I played our usual rounds of cards and backgammon in a toasty and dry boat. The mooods were kinda reserved though, as the season is at an end, and we pull out in 3 weeks. I suspect we will stay aboard on the cradle for 3 weeks or so, while I get some of the spring time work out of the way ahead of time, if the weather is warm enough to cure epoxy.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Lake Superior
demers@sgi.com
We had a series of cold fronts and associated lows pass over the area, drawing down cold Canadian air, which caused some very brisk winds in the 25-35 kt range both days. Along with a brilliant sun on Saturday, and scattered cold showers Sunday, we got a good variety of weather..all cold. It froze last night, and temps were not above 45 deg. on the lake today, but about 50 deg. Saturday. The lake was easily 10 deg. warmer than the air.
This morning we left Rocky Island at a late 9:30, reefed main and staysail only, and were immediately surprised by the bolt holding the reefing hook on the boom exploding apart, with the reefing hook flying back into the cockpit (over the dodger, with 35 kts of wind..eegads what are the chances?). Rounding up into 5fters was a real kick..Uuuup and Doooown the bow went..while I tried to slip the reefing ring on the sail into the gooseneck fitting for the mainsails foot..they fit. So off we went, sheeted in tight, heeling immediately to 40 deg., then as we passed thru 6.8 kts., and I pointed a tad higher, the angle came up to 30 deg.. We were flying..7.4 kts top and above 6.3kts the whole trip. We left Rocky Island behind a beautiful Pacific Seacraft 34, perhaps a mile ahead of us, and on a slightly different angle to round the 3 islands we needed to round before entering the West Channel. 30 minutes into the sail, we were on their stern, perhaps 300 ft off. While we never passed them, as their course was for another marina, we caught up to them and I felt we could have easily outpointed them..with more sail area, and 4 ft. to their advantage. Love that boat of ours!
The weather was cold enough to get the wood stove fired up, and Jan and I played our usual rounds of cards and backgammon in a toasty and dry boat. The mooods were kinda reserved though, as the season is at an end, and we pull out in 3 weeks. I suspect we will stay aboard on the cradle for 3 weeks or so, while I get some of the spring time work out of the way ahead of time, if the weather is warm enough to cure epoxy.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Lake Superior
demers@sgi.com
Re: NICE WEEKEND SAILING
Larry,
Sounds like a whale of sail except for the reef hook bolt joining you in the cockpit. That's a might unnerving.
Julie and I had a great sail today too. Just a Sunday daysail with about 12kts of wind out of the SSW. Sailed out of Oyster Bay and headed west over to Glen Cove, maybe 10 miles from Oyster Bay Harbor. The skyline of Manhattan is visible from there and on a clear day like today it really stood out. It was a nice view but we metropolitian New York sailors just can't help thinking about the obvious void in the lower Manhattan skyline. Tacked back east to Oyster Bay and picked up our mooring a 6PM after about 20 miles of sailing. SQN performed flawlessly today! Its never ceases to amaze me how a beautiful sailing day like today allows Julie and I to leave all the stresses of this everyday world on the dock! When SQN is healed over 15 degress and all the telltales on the mainsail's luff are streaming, its better for the psyche than anything you can swallow from a pharmacy. I love it!
Warren Kaplan
Sine Qua Non
CD27
Oyster Bay Harbor, NY
Setsail728@aol.com
Sounds like a whale of sail except for the reef hook bolt joining you in the cockpit. That's a might unnerving.
Julie and I had a great sail today too. Just a Sunday daysail with about 12kts of wind out of the SSW. Sailed out of Oyster Bay and headed west over to Glen Cove, maybe 10 miles from Oyster Bay Harbor. The skyline of Manhattan is visible from there and on a clear day like today it really stood out. It was a nice view but we metropolitian New York sailors just can't help thinking about the obvious void in the lower Manhattan skyline. Tacked back east to Oyster Bay and picked up our mooring a 6PM after about 20 miles of sailing. SQN performed flawlessly today! Its never ceases to amaze me how a beautiful sailing day like today allows Julie and I to leave all the stresses of this everyday world on the dock! When SQN is healed over 15 degress and all the telltales on the mainsail's luff are streaming, its better for the psyche than anything you can swallow from a pharmacy. I love it!
Warren Kaplan
Sine Qua Non
CD27
Oyster Bay Harbor, NY
Setsail728@aol.com
GPS Report and Re: NICE WEEKEND SAILING
Larry,
Thanks for the great report on your weekend; we spent ours in Raleigh watching the reports on Isisdore, Kyle, and #13.
If you have a chance to hook that RayNav 300 GPS up to a computer and track the location while standing still, I'd sure be interested. Our little experiment with the Magellan 3000 XL was interesting and I have sent another inquiry to tech support to see if they have a clue.
Basically, we discovered that at highway speeds the GPS tracks pretty close most of the time, but it can take a jump of several hundred yards for no apparent reason. This is quite like the jumps it takes while standing still, so I suspect it is a matter of handing off from one group of satellites to another group, but I really don't know.
So far, my conclusion is about the same as it was: the 3000 XL may help you find an outer buoy, but don't depend on it for an anchor watch or to get you through a narrow channel. We did one experiment with a Garmin III+ and it seemed more stable; moving the Magellan 3000 XL away from the trees and commercial airline traffic did nothing to improve performance.
The 3000XL was able to discern lane changes under most circumstances, but it could not be relied upon to stay on track with the vehicle under the most benign conditions. If anyone wants to analyze a 4000 point track of several hours and a few hundred miles, I'll be happy to forward a highlighted file.
Keep on sailing,
Ken Coit, ND7N
CD/14 #538
CD/36 #84 Parfait
Hailing Port: Raleigh, NC
Sailing from: Beaufort, NC
parfaitNOSPAM@ nc.rr.com
Thanks for the great report on your weekend; we spent ours in Raleigh watching the reports on Isisdore, Kyle, and #13.
If you have a chance to hook that RayNav 300 GPS up to a computer and track the location while standing still, I'd sure be interested. Our little experiment with the Magellan 3000 XL was interesting and I have sent another inquiry to tech support to see if they have a clue.
Basically, we discovered that at highway speeds the GPS tracks pretty close most of the time, but it can take a jump of several hundred yards for no apparent reason. This is quite like the jumps it takes while standing still, so I suspect it is a matter of handing off from one group of satellites to another group, but I really don't know.
So far, my conclusion is about the same as it was: the 3000 XL may help you find an outer buoy, but don't depend on it for an anchor watch or to get you through a narrow channel. We did one experiment with a Garmin III+ and it seemed more stable; moving the Magellan 3000 XL away from the trees and commercial airline traffic did nothing to improve performance.
The 3000XL was able to discern lane changes under most circumstances, but it could not be relied upon to stay on track with the vehicle under the most benign conditions. If anyone wants to analyze a 4000 point track of several hours and a few hundred miles, I'll be happy to forward a highlighted file.
Keep on sailing,
Ken Coit, ND7N
CD/14 #538
CD/36 #84 Parfait
Hailing Port: Raleigh, NC
Sailing from: Beaufort, NC
Larry DeMers wrote: Just got back from the boat, and a weekend full of sailing that was easily the best this year so far.
We had a series of cold fronts and associated lows pass over the area, drawing down cold Canadian air, which caused some very brisk winds in the 25-35 kt range both days. Along with a brilliant sun on Saturday, and scattered cold showers Sunday, we got a good variety of weather..all cold. It froze last night, and temps were not above 45 deg. on the lake today, but about 50 deg. Saturday. The lake was easily 10 deg. warmer than the air.
This morning we left Rocky Island at a late 9:30, reefed main and staysail only, and were immediately surprised by the bolt holding the reefing hook on the boom exploding apart, with the reefing hook flying back into the cockpit (over the dodger, with 35 kts of wind..eegads what are the chances?). Rounding up into 5fters was a real kick..Uuuup and Doooown the bow went..while I tried to slip the reefing ring on the sail into the gooseneck fitting for the mainsails foot..they fit. So off we went, sheeted in tight, heeling immediately to 40 deg., then as we passed thru 6.8 kts., and I pointed a tad higher, the angle came up to 30 deg.. We were flying..7.4 kts top and above 6.3kts the whole trip. We left Rocky Island behind a beautiful Pacific Seacraft 34, perhaps a mile ahead of us, and on a slightly different angle to round the 3 islands we needed to round before entering the West Channel. 30 minutes into the sail, we were on their stern, perhaps 300 ft off. While we never passed them, as their course was for another marina, we caught up to them and I felt we could have easily outpointed them..with more sail area, and 4 ft. to their advantage. Love that boat of ours!
The weather was cold enough to get the wood stove fired up, and Jan and I played our usual rounds of cards and backgammon in a toasty and dry boat. The mooods were kinda reserved though, as the season is at an end, and we pull out in 3 weeks. I suspect we will stay aboard on the cradle for 3 weeks or so, while I get some of the spring time work out of the way ahead of time, if the weather is warm enough to cure epoxy.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Lake Superior
parfaitNOSPAM@ nc.rr.com
Re: NICE WEEKEND SAILING
Hello Larry
We had a very similiar sail here today. forecast for 10-20 and at times it was hitting 30+....Wind was from del norte and was quite cool. Fall is here and we couldnt be happier. Our Sea Gulls, pelicans, and cormorants have all returned as well. I know you sailors up north will be pulling soon, so get the most out of what is left.. I just couldnt do it.....
I covered 12 km today and averaged 4.8 kts with the working jib and a reef in the main....It was a grand day on the water......Now I have to work all week....what's wrong with this picture?????
Anyway, it was great sailing in the south this weekend as well.
Fair winds
Bill
Captain Commanding
S/V Rhapsody (the Original)
CD25D #148
Oklahoma Contingent if the NE Fleet, CDSOA, Inc
Galley Wench S/V Evening Light
<b><FONT COLOR="#ff0000" SIZE="+2">Gunnery Officer F/S Evening Light</B></font>
<B><font size="+2">Grey Beard</b></Font>
<A HREF="http://www.applegatemarina.com/">Kerr Lake, OK (Oklahoma's Outlet to the Sea)</A>
cd25d@rhapsodysails.com
We had a very similiar sail here today. forecast for 10-20 and at times it was hitting 30+....Wind was from del norte and was quite cool. Fall is here and we couldnt be happier. Our Sea Gulls, pelicans, and cormorants have all returned as well. I know you sailors up north will be pulling soon, so get the most out of what is left.. I just couldnt do it.....
I covered 12 km today and averaged 4.8 kts with the working jib and a reef in the main....It was a grand day on the water......Now I have to work all week....what's wrong with this picture?????
Anyway, it was great sailing in the south this weekend as well.
Fair winds
Bill
Captain Commanding
S/V Rhapsody (the Original)
CD25D #148
Oklahoma Contingent if the NE Fleet, CDSOA, Inc
Galley Wench S/V Evening Light
<b><FONT COLOR="#ff0000" SIZE="+2">Gunnery Officer F/S Evening Light</B></font>
<B><font size="+2">Grey Beard</b></Font>
<A HREF="http://www.applegatemarina.com/">Kerr Lake, OK (Oklahoma's Outlet to the Sea)</A>
Larry DeMers wrote: Just got back from the boat, and a weekend full of sailing that was easily the best this year so far.
We had a series of cold fronts and associated lows pass over the area, drawing down cold Canadian air, which caused some very brisk winds in the 25-35 kt range both days. Along with a brilliant sun on Saturday, and scattered cold showers Sunday, we got a good variety of weather..all cold. It froze last night, and temps were not above 45 deg. on the lake today, but about 50 deg. Saturday. The lake was easily 10 deg. warmer than the air.
This morning we left Rocky Island at a late 9:30, reefed main and staysail only, and were immediately surprised by the bolt holding the reefing hook on the boom exploding apart, with the reefing hook flying back into the cockpit (over the dodger, with 35 kts of wind..eegads what are the chances?). Rounding up into 5fters was a real kick..Uuuup and Doooown the bow went..while I tried to slip the reefing ring on the sail into the gooseneck fitting for the mainsails foot..they fit. So off we went, sheeted in tight, heeling immediately to 40 deg., then as we passed thru 6.8 kts., and I pointed a tad higher, the angle came up to 30 deg.. We were flying..7.4 kts top and above 6.3kts the whole trip. We left Rocky Island behind a beautiful Pacific Seacraft 34, perhaps a mile ahead of us, and on a slightly different angle to round the 3 islands we needed to round before entering the West Channel. 30 minutes into the sail, we were on their stern, perhaps 300 ft off. While we never passed them, as their course was for another marina, we caught up to them and I felt we could have easily outpointed them..with more sail area, and 4 ft. to their advantage. Love that boat of ours!
The weather was cold enough to get the wood stove fired up, and Jan and I played our usual rounds of cards and backgammon in a toasty and dry boat. The mooods were kinda reserved though, as the season is at an end, and we pull out in 3 weeks. I suspect we will stay aboard on the cradle for 3 weeks or so, while I get some of the spring time work out of the way ahead of time, if the weather is warm enough to cure epoxy.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Lake Superior
cd25d@rhapsodysails.com
Re: GPS Report and Re: NICE WEEKEND SAILING
Ken,
My Raynav 300 is installed in the boat, as is the antenna, so I can't pull it out very easily, and I only have a mega-memory desktop computer at home, so no portable to bring out to the boat (sold it a while back as it was just overkill for me -I design supercomputers all day, and do bookwork for our business at night..on the computer, so I get TOO much exposure to computers and am trying to run away from them as fast as I financially can!).
I am concerned about the regularity of the excursions from the normal position grouping you were getting. That almost sounds like a programming error..like a regular reset that comes along every so often, or something like that. I can tell you that looking at the Raynavs speed reporting this weekend, I never noticed it being in error from the indicated vessel speed by more than .3 kts, so it isn't taking large systemic errors as your unit was showing. Those excursions may be getting canceled out by the differential correction signal in WAAS, or they may indeed be peculiar to that unit you have.
All I can say for sure, is that after two summers of use, and really depending on it about 6 times now, the Raynav 300 is dead accurate, and has been perfectly on track every time without exception. As I have reported before, I check it's accuracy virtually every time we return to port..by having it steer us thru the entry buoys for the marina. We are routed within 1 ft. of the same place between the buoys every single time.
At the pricing level that the WAAS Gps's are at now, it is a bit easier to justify buying them than when they were near $1000. My advice would be to sell that regular gps and go with one of the WAAS units.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
CD30
demers@sgi.com
My Raynav 300 is installed in the boat, as is the antenna, so I can't pull it out very easily, and I only have a mega-memory desktop computer at home, so no portable to bring out to the boat (sold it a while back as it was just overkill for me -I design supercomputers all day, and do bookwork for our business at night..on the computer, so I get TOO much exposure to computers and am trying to run away from them as fast as I financially can!).
I am concerned about the regularity of the excursions from the normal position grouping you were getting. That almost sounds like a programming error..like a regular reset that comes along every so often, or something like that. I can tell you that looking at the Raynavs speed reporting this weekend, I never noticed it being in error from the indicated vessel speed by more than .3 kts, so it isn't taking large systemic errors as your unit was showing. Those excursions may be getting canceled out by the differential correction signal in WAAS, or they may indeed be peculiar to that unit you have.
All I can say for sure, is that after two summers of use, and really depending on it about 6 times now, the Raynav 300 is dead accurate, and has been perfectly on track every time without exception. As I have reported before, I check it's accuracy virtually every time we return to port..by having it steer us thru the entry buoys for the marina. We are routed within 1 ft. of the same place between the buoys every single time.
At the pricing level that the WAAS Gps's are at now, it is a bit easier to justify buying them than when they were near $1000. My advice would be to sell that regular gps and go with one of the WAAS units.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
CD30
Ken Coit wrote: Larry,
Thanks for the great report on your weekend; we spent ours in Raleigh watching the reports on Isisdore, Kyle, and #13.
If you have a chance to hook that RayNav 300 GPS up to a computer and track the location while standing still, I'd sure be interested. Our little experiment with the Magellan 3000 XL was interesting and I have sent another inquiry to tech support to see if they have a clue.
Basically, we discovered that at highway speeds the GPS tracks pretty close most of the time, but it can take a jump of several hundred yards for no apparent reason. This is quite like the jumps it takes while standing still, so I suspect it is a matter of handing off from one group of satellites to another group, but I really don't know.
So far, my conclusion is about the same as it was: the 3000 XL may help you find an outer buoy, but don't depend on it for an anchor watch or to get you through a narrow channel. We did one experiment with a Garmin III+ and it seemed more stable; moving the Magellan 3000 XL away from the trees and commercial airline traffic did nothing to improve performance.
The 3000XL was able to discern lane changes under most circumstances, but it could not be relied upon to stay on track with the vehicle under the most benign conditions. If anyone wants to analyze a 4000 point track of several hours and a few hundred miles, I'll be happy to forward a highlighted file.
Keep on sailing,
Ken Coit, ND7N
CD/14 #538
CD/36 #84 Parfait
Hailing Port: Raleigh, NC
Sailing from: Beaufort, NC
Larry DeMers wrote: Just got back from the boat, and a weekend full of sailing that was easily the best this year so far.
We had a series of cold fronts and associated lows pass over the area, drawing down cold Canadian air, which caused some very brisk winds in the 25-35 kt range both days. Along with a brilliant sun on Saturday, and scattered cold showers Sunday, we got a good variety of weather..all cold. It froze last night, and temps were not above 45 deg. on the lake today, but about 50 deg. Saturday. The lake was easily 10 deg. warmer than the air.
This morning we left Rocky Island at a late 9:30, reefed main and staysail only, and were immediately surprised by the bolt holding the reefing hook on the boom exploding apart, with the reefing hook flying back into the cockpit (over the dodger, with 35 kts of wind..eegads what are the chances?). Rounding up into 5fters was a real kick..Uuuup and Doooown the bow went..while I tried to slip the reefing ring on the sail into the gooseneck fitting for the mainsails foot..they fit. So off we went, sheeted in tight, heeling immediately to 40 deg., then as we passed thru 6.8 kts., and I pointed a tad higher, the angle came up to 30 deg.. We were flying..7.4 kts top and above 6.3kts the whole trip. We left Rocky Island behind a beautiful Pacific Seacraft 34, perhaps a mile ahead of us, and on a slightly different angle to round the 3 islands we needed to round before entering the West Channel. 30 minutes into the sail, we were on their stern, perhaps 300 ft off. While we never passed them, as their course was for another marina, we caught up to them and I felt we could have easily outpointed them..with more sail area, and 4 ft. to their advantage. Love that boat of ours!
The weather was cold enough to get the wood stove fired up, and Jan and I played our usual rounds of cards and backgammon in a toasty and dry boat. The mooods were kinda reserved though, as the season is at an end, and we pull out in 3 weeks. I suspect we will stay aboard on the cradle for 3 weeks or so, while I get some of the spring time work out of the way ahead of time, if the weather is warm enough to cure epoxy.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Lake Superior
demers@sgi.com
Re: NICE WEEKEND SAILING -a philosophy for life!
Hi Warren,
I am glad you and Julie got out this weekend. Your winds sound like they would be easier on the pucker factor for certain! we stayed at 40 deg. heel for a long time, with occasional waves slopping into the cockpit etc. The shock came when the body is all ready to ward off this cold water blast, as it is in the summer! Hell ,that water was easily 10 deg. warmer than the air temp, so it **felt good!** how sick is that? jeesh.
I have a little home-grown philosophy for you..so bear with me in explaining this, as it has been pretty much an internally agitated thought, not expressed publicly before.
Sailing for me, and I expect for you and Julie too (as well as many others I hope) provides such a wonderful divide between a physical reality that is not to our liking at all, and one that is nearing a nirvana state for us. Many years ago, we had some extremely difficult thorns to go thru in our life..with our daughter. Our life to us was a living hell, and I was having some trouble staying focused on my horizons.
We started sailing about then too, with a 4 hour drive to the boat (then, it's only 3 hrs. now). Jan and I began to practice some control over the bad stuff that was ruling (and ruining) our lives then, by making it a rule to not discuss *anything* about home, family, work, the yard, bills or anything landlubberly once we passed into Wisconsin. We concentrated on talking about sailing, our friends up there sailing, what we were going to do that weekend, what we wanted to do to the boat this year etc. This seemed to begin a process of disassociation with our land-life, and over the 13 years now, has become automatic for us. The benefit is that it develops a secure and isolated area in your life where you can breath in freedom from the phone, and home responsibilities. You take a physical break, and concern yourself with only the important stuff..where is the wind from, what is it doing today, where can we anchor tonight, and what do we eat tongiht???! (Now THAT is important!) heh..
In effect, I see what we do as shrinking the field of inputs around us down to a manageable few. We remove the inputs that cause problems during the week, basicly play as if they are not there (don't worry, reality does return when Sunday afternoon rolls around). The net result is that we *feel* like we were off for a week. We come home and can handle the problems of life (daughter grandaughter and grandson live with us, along with boyfriend/hubby to be, so there is a lot going on in the household)a lot better after a bit of time without the problems.
I picture this shrinking of our world of things that can affect us while sailing as a great benefit, and to that extent, have changed my hours here at work so that I can boogy out of here at noon on Fridays, giving us two nights at anchor every weekend. This helps to provide that feeling of having spent a lot more time out on the boat than a mere weekend.
THe downside of this of course, comes around in a few weeks, when the boat has to be put away for the year. It is hard to escape over the winter, so we usually don't. Thus I am about ready to go kwazy by 'almost-spring', and we end up trudging thru 9 ft. of snow to reach our boat and spend a weekend aboard her in early March for instance.
But we find it worth while and would not do it any other way..at least for now.
Cheers,
Larry
demers@sgi.com
I am glad you and Julie got out this weekend. Your winds sound like they would be easier on the pucker factor for certain! we stayed at 40 deg. heel for a long time, with occasional waves slopping into the cockpit etc. The shock came when the body is all ready to ward off this cold water blast, as it is in the summer! Hell ,that water was easily 10 deg. warmer than the air temp, so it **felt good!** how sick is that? jeesh.
I have a little home-grown philosophy for you..so bear with me in explaining this, as it has been pretty much an internally agitated thought, not expressed publicly before.
Sailing for me, and I expect for you and Julie too (as well as many others I hope) provides such a wonderful divide between a physical reality that is not to our liking at all, and one that is nearing a nirvana state for us. Many years ago, we had some extremely difficult thorns to go thru in our life..with our daughter. Our life to us was a living hell, and I was having some trouble staying focused on my horizons.
We started sailing about then too, with a 4 hour drive to the boat (then, it's only 3 hrs. now). Jan and I began to practice some control over the bad stuff that was ruling (and ruining) our lives then, by making it a rule to not discuss *anything* about home, family, work, the yard, bills or anything landlubberly once we passed into Wisconsin. We concentrated on talking about sailing, our friends up there sailing, what we were going to do that weekend, what we wanted to do to the boat this year etc. This seemed to begin a process of disassociation with our land-life, and over the 13 years now, has become automatic for us. The benefit is that it develops a secure and isolated area in your life where you can breath in freedom from the phone, and home responsibilities. You take a physical break, and concern yourself with only the important stuff..where is the wind from, what is it doing today, where can we anchor tonight, and what do we eat tongiht???! (Now THAT is important!) heh..
In effect, I see what we do as shrinking the field of inputs around us down to a manageable few. We remove the inputs that cause problems during the week, basicly play as if they are not there (don't worry, reality does return when Sunday afternoon rolls around). The net result is that we *feel* like we were off for a week. We come home and can handle the problems of life (daughter grandaughter and grandson live with us, along with boyfriend/hubby to be, so there is a lot going on in the household)a lot better after a bit of time without the problems.
I picture this shrinking of our world of things that can affect us while sailing as a great benefit, and to that extent, have changed my hours here at work so that I can boogy out of here at noon on Fridays, giving us two nights at anchor every weekend. This helps to provide that feeling of having spent a lot more time out on the boat than a mere weekend.
THe downside of this of course, comes around in a few weeks, when the boat has to be put away for the year. It is hard to escape over the winter, so we usually don't. Thus I am about ready to go kwazy by 'almost-spring', and we end up trudging thru 9 ft. of snow to reach our boat and spend a weekend aboard her in early March for instance.
But we find it worth while and would not do it any other way..at least for now.
Cheers,
Larry
Warren Kaplan wrote: Larry,
Sounds like a whale of sail except for the reef hook bolt joining you in the cockpit. That's a might unnerving.
Julie and I had a great sail today too. Just a Sunday daysail with about 12kts of wind out of the SSW. Sailed out of Oyster Bay and headed west over to Glen Cove, maybe 10 miles from Oyster Bay Harbor. The skyline of Manhattan is visible from there and on a clear day like today it really stood out. It was a nice view but we metropolitian New York sailors just can't help thinking about the obvious void in the lower Manhattan skyline. Tacked back east to Oyster Bay and picked up our mooring a 6PM after about 20 miles of sailing. SQN performed flawlessly today! Its never ceases to amaze me how a beautiful sailing day like today allows Julie and I to leave all the stresses of this everyday world on the dock! When SQN is healed over 15 degress and all the telltales on the mainsail's luff are streaming, its better for the psyche than anything you can swallow from a pharmacy. I love it!
Warren Kaplan
Sine Qua Non
CD27
Oyster Bay Harbor, NY
demers@sgi.com
Re: NICE WEEKEND SAILING -a philosophy for life!
Larry,
I think alot of us sailors leave the woes of the real world on the dock when we go sailing. Julie and I went to the NE Fleet's Western Sound Rendezvous (alas we only spent 3 days with a wonderful group). But over those 3 days, all the times the "group" got together Julie and I can remember NOT ONE conversation, or even a passing remark about the economy, the workplace, the stock market, terrorism, sickness, troublesome relatives etc. All I remember are jokes and laughing. Talking sailing and looking at some very nice Cape Dorys, all while sampling many different vintages of wine. If that isn't good for one's health I don't know what is. I'm thinking of submitting my winter yard bill and mooring bill to my medical insurance company. They'll make out better paying that bill then if I sold my boat and wound up on the couch in the head shrinker's office twice a week. Yup! Cape Dorys are just plain good medicine!
Warren Kaplan
Sine Qua Non
CD27 #166 1980
Oyster Bay Harbor, NY
Setsail728@aol.com
I think alot of us sailors leave the woes of the real world on the dock when we go sailing. Julie and I went to the NE Fleet's Western Sound Rendezvous (alas we only spent 3 days with a wonderful group). But over those 3 days, all the times the "group" got together Julie and I can remember NOT ONE conversation, or even a passing remark about the economy, the workplace, the stock market, terrorism, sickness, troublesome relatives etc. All I remember are jokes and laughing. Talking sailing and looking at some very nice Cape Dorys, all while sampling many different vintages of wine. If that isn't good for one's health I don't know what is. I'm thinking of submitting my winter yard bill and mooring bill to my medical insurance company. They'll make out better paying that bill then if I sold my boat and wound up on the couch in the head shrinker's office twice a week. Yup! Cape Dorys are just plain good medicine!
Warren Kaplan
Sine Qua Non
CD27 #166 1980
Oyster Bay Harbor, NY
Setsail728@aol.com
Re: GPS Report and Re: NICE WEEKEND SAILING
Larry,
I think we may be talking about junking the current unit, but it is a curiosity at least. I have not found any being sold on eBay, so there may be no market at all. It is good enough to tell us what town we are in, probably what street we are on, but not which side of a divided highway.
I see WAAS in my future, I'll not be threading the marina channel with the Magellan 3000XL.
As for getting away from computers.....I used to design them too and now I am strictly a user, so I rant at the other designers who didn't do it as well as I wish.
Keep on sailing,
Ken Coit, ND7N
CD/14 #538
CD/36 #84 Parfait
Hailing Port: Raleigh, NC
Sailing from: Beaufort, NC
parfaitNOSPAM@nc.rr.com
I think we may be talking about junking the current unit, but it is a curiosity at least. I have not found any being sold on eBay, so there may be no market at all. It is good enough to tell us what town we are in, probably what street we are on, but not which side of a divided highway.
I see WAAS in my future, I'll not be threading the marina channel with the Magellan 3000XL.
As for getting away from computers.....I used to design them too and now I am strictly a user, so I rant at the other designers who didn't do it as well as I wish.
Keep on sailing,
Ken Coit, ND7N
CD/14 #538
CD/36 #84 Parfait
Hailing Port: Raleigh, NC
Sailing from: Beaufort, NC
Larry DeMers wrote: Ken,
My Raynav 300 is installed in the boat, as is the antenna, so I can't pull it out very easily, and I only have a mega-memory desktop computer at home, so no portable to bring out to the boat (sold it a while back as it was just overkill for me -I design supercomputers all day, and do bookwork for our business at night..on the computer, so I get TOO much exposure to computers and am trying to run away from them as fast as I financially can!).
I am concerned about the regularity of the excursions from the normal position grouping you were getting. That almost sounds like a programming error..like a regular reset that comes along every so often, or something like that. I can tell you that looking at the Raynavs speed reporting this weekend, I never noticed it being in error from the indicated vessel speed by more than .3 kts, so it isn't taking large systemic errors as your unit was showing. Those excursions may be getting canceled out by the differential correction signal in WAAS, or they may indeed be peculiar to that unit you have.
All I can say for sure, is that after two summers of use, and really depending on it about 6 times now, the Raynav 300 is dead accurate, and has been perfectly on track every time without exception. As I have reported before, I check it's accuracy virtually every time we return to port..by having it steer us thru the entry buoys for the marina. We are routed within 1 ft. of the same place between the buoys every single time.
At the pricing level that the WAAS Gps's are at now, it is a bit easier to justify buying them than when they were near $1000. My advice would be to sell that regular gps and go with one of the WAAS units.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
CD30
Ken Coit wrote: Larry,
Thanks for the great report on your weekend; we spent ours in Raleigh watching the reports on Isisdore, Kyle, and #13.
If you have a chance to hook that RayNav 300 GPS up to a computer and track the location while standing still, I'd sure be interested. Our little experiment with the Magellan 3000 XL was interesting and I have sent another inquiry to tech support to see if they have a clue.
Basically, we discovered that at highway speeds the GPS tracks pretty close most of the time, but it can take a jump of several hundred yards for no apparent reason. This is quite like the jumps it takes while standing still, so I suspect it is a matter of handing off from one group of satellites to another group, but I really don't know.
So far, my conclusion is about the same as it was: the 3000 XL may help you find an outer buoy, but don't depend on it for an anchor watch or to get you through a narrow channel. We did one experiment with a Garmin III+ and it seemed more stable; moving the Magellan 3000 XL away from the trees and commercial airline traffic did nothing to improve performance.
The 3000XL was able to discern lane changes under most circumstances, but it could not be relied upon to stay on track with the vehicle under the most benign conditions. If anyone wants to analyze a 4000 point track of several hours and a few hundred miles, I'll be happy to forward a highlighted file.
Keep on sailing,
Ken Coit, ND7N
CD/14 #538
CD/36 #84 Parfait
Hailing Port: Raleigh, NC
Sailing from: Beaufort, NC
Larry DeMers wrote: Just got back from the boat, and a weekend full of sailing that was easily the best this year so far.
We had a series of cold fronts and associated lows pass over the area, drawing down cold Canadian air, which caused some very brisk winds in the 25-35 kt range both days. Along with a brilliant sun on Saturday, and scattered cold showers Sunday, we got a good variety of weather..all cold. It froze last night, and temps were not above 45 deg. on the lake today, but about 50 deg. Saturday. The lake was easily 10 deg. warmer than the air.
This morning we left Rocky Island at a late 9:30, reefed main and staysail only, and were immediately surprised by the bolt holding the reefing hook on the boom exploding apart, with the reefing hook flying back into the cockpit (over the dodger, with 35 kts of wind..eegads what are the chances?). Rounding up into 5fters was a real kick..Uuuup and Doooown the bow went..while I tried to slip the reefing ring on the sail into the gooseneck fitting for the mainsails foot..they fit. So off we went, sheeted in tight, heeling immediately to 40 deg., then as we passed thru 6.8 kts., and I pointed a tad higher, the angle came up to 30 deg.. We were flying..7.4 kts top and above 6.3kts the whole trip. We left Rocky Island behind a beautiful Pacific Seacraft 34, perhaps a mile ahead of us, and on a slightly different angle to round the 3 islands we needed to round before entering the West Channel. 30 minutes into the sail, we were on their stern, perhaps 300 ft off. While we never passed them, as their course was for another marina, we caught up to them and I felt we could have easily outpointed them..with more sail area, and 4 ft. to their advantage. Love that boat of ours!
The weather was cold enough to get the wood stove fired up, and Jan and I played our usual rounds of cards and backgammon in a toasty and dry boat. The mooods were kinda reserved though, as the season is at an end, and we pull out in 3 weeks. I suspect we will stay aboard on the cradle for 3 weeks or so, while I get some of the spring time work out of the way ahead of time, if the weather is warm enough to cure epoxy.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Lake Superior
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Re: NICE WEEKEND SAILING
You guys are making me soooo jealous! The Jib Master and I spent our weekend putting in post holes, laying fence line and grumbling. BUT
week of Oct. 6 we have off, stable project complete, and we'll have a week of daysailing on beautiful Canandaigua Lake with cool breezes, warm sun and wonderful upstate NY foliage... (and if its nasty and wet or hot and calm or any other combination we'll still be out and having a ball!)Can't think of a better way to relax and de-stress. It is amazing how much of life's "stuff" you leave at the dock. Thanks for some great posts.
Ed
week of Oct. 6 we have off, stable project complete, and we'll have a week of daysailing on beautiful Canandaigua Lake with cool breezes, warm sun and wonderful upstate NY foliage... (and if its nasty and wet or hot and calm or any other combination we'll still be out and having a ball!)Can't think of a better way to relax and de-stress. It is amazing how much of life's "stuff" you leave at the dock. Thanks for some great posts.
Ed
New York's Finger Lakes--Beautiful!!
Ed,Ed K wrote: You guys are making me soooo jealous! The Jib Master and I spent our weekend putting in post holes, laying fence line and grumbling. BUT
week of Oct. 6 we have off, stable project complete, and we'll have a week of daysailing on beautiful Canandaigua Lake with cool breezes, warm sun and wonderful upstate NY foliage... (and if its nasty and wet or hot and calm or any other combination we'll still be out and having a ball!)Can't think of a better way to relax and de-stress. It is amazing how much of life's "stuff" you leave at the dock. Thanks for some great posts.
Ed
Having spent the late years of the 1960s at Cornell University in Ithaca, I can remember just sitting at a high point overlooking Cayuga Lake in October and just marveling at the beauty of that Lake during the color season. My undergrad years (early 1960s) were spent on the shores of Lake Champlain,(UVM) and fellow Cape Dorians, do not allow yourselves to die before seeing that Lake during the second week in October in northern Vermont! The sad thing is that I have sailed neither Lake and that's something I dream about doing!
Warren Kaplan
Sine Qua Non
CD27
Oyster Bay Harbor, NY
Setsail728@aol.com
Re: New York's Finger Lakes--Beautiful!!
We love it up here, Warren. We are transplants from Ct. where I spent a lot of time in a "stinkpot" on L.I. sound. We sailed our smaller boat down on Keuka Lake which, if anything, is prettier than Canandaigua. We bought the CD25 last fall with the idea of daysailing on Canadaigua until we retire when we will bring her up to Sodus Bay on Lake Ontario. Now we're not so sure - we live 15 minutes from the boat so a 2 hour evening sail after work in the middle of the week is practical from May through August. Too many things kept us off the boat as much as we wanted this year but I have some refininshing projects planned for the winter months and hope to sail 2 or 3 times a week next year. I thoroughly enjoy this board and reading all of the "blue water" experiences you guys have, but I think we might keep our little CAROLYN close to home so we can use her more and maybe do some chartering to rid ourselves of the land locked feeling.
Re: New York's Finger Lakes--Beautiful!!
We love it up here, Warren. We are transplants from Ct. where I spent a lot of time in a "stinkpot" on L.I. sound. We sailed our smaller boat down on Keuka Lake which, if anything, is prettier than Canandaigua. We bought the CD25 last fall with the idea of daysailing on Canadaigua until we retire when we will bring her up to Sodus Bay on Lake Ontario. Now we're not so sure - we live 15 minutes from the boat so a 2 hour evening sail after work in the middle of the week is practical from May through August. Too many things kept us off the boat as much as we wanted this year but I have some refininshing projects planned for the winter months and hope to sail 2 or 3 times a week next year. I thoroughly enjoy this board and reading all of the "blue water" experiences you guys have, but I think we might keep our little CAROLYN close to home so we can use her more and maybe do some chartering to rid ourselves of the land locked feeling.
Best regards,
Ed Killian
CD25 CAROLYN
Best regards,
Ed Killian
CD25 CAROLYN
Re: NICE WEEKEND SAILING
Nice weekend sailing is the topic - the Chesapeake stayed ahead of the cold front this past weekend, heres a brief description. Moonlight solo sail of Friday night to a quiet anchorage - the moon so bright you could see the unlit buoys when they were well off. Saturday the forcast was revised up to 87 degrees - 10 to 15 kn SSW with some higher gusts by late morning right through 4:00 pm or so, right on the port and then starboard quarter for those of us north bound on the Bay. The destination was an all you can eat, all the beer you can drink crab feast on the beach overlooking the pots where the crabs were caught. Cape Dory swinging at anchor just off the same beach. Later, the full moon hung like a huge orange lantern at first, then a beacon in the night sky. Drinks with family and compadres in candle lit cockpit! Sweet if not superior!
And, another nice breeze on Sunday, back to the mid eighties relaxing on the pool deck after a dip, made all the more poignant by the fact that each day like this could be the last with October approaching.
Bill Sonntag
CD 31 SURPRISE
wsonntags@earthlink.net
And, another nice breeze on Sunday, back to the mid eighties relaxing on the pool deck after a dip, made all the more poignant by the fact that each day like this could be the last with October approaching.
Bill Sonntag
CD 31 SURPRISE
wsonntags@earthlink.net
Re: And Lake Winnipesaukee too
Warren,
You need to see Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire too!
Cathy
CD32 Realization, #3
Rahway, NJ
Raritan Bay
[img]http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopost/ ... 1c-med.jpg[/img]
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You need to see Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire too!
Cathy
CD32 Realization, #3
Rahway, NJ
Raritan Bay
Warren Kaplan wrote:Ed,Ed K wrote: You guys are making me soooo jealous! The Jib Master and I spent our weekend putting in post holes, laying fence line and grumbling. BUT
week of Oct. 6 we have off, stable project complete, and we'll have a week of daysailing on beautiful Canandaigua Lake with cool breezes, warm sun and wonderful upstate NY foliage... (and if its nasty and wet or hot and calm or any other combination we'll still be out and having a ball!)Can't think of a better way to relax and de-stress. It is amazing how much of life's "stuff" you leave at the dock. Thanks for some great posts.
Ed
Having spent the late years of the 1960s at Cornell University in Ithaca, I can remember just sitting at a high point overlooking Cayuga Lake in October and just marveling at the beauty of that Lake during the color season. My undergrad years (early 1960s) were spent on the shores of Lake Champlain,(UVM) and fellow Cape Dorians, do not allow yourselves to die before seeing that Lake during the second week in October in northern Vermont! The sad thing is that I have sailed neither Lake and that's something I dream about doing!
Warren Kaplan
Sine Qua Non
CD27
Oyster Bay Harbor, NY
[img]http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopost/ ... 1c-med.jpg[/img]
catherine_monaghanNOSPAM@merck.com