I have a 25D I sail in Buzzards Bay, MA. I have owned the Boat for about a year and have sevral questions. 1) There are two tracks for jib sheets one is outsidfe the side stays the other inside and more forward. I assume the outer track is for the Genoa ( I use it for this purpose) Is the inner set for a 100% jib or for some other purpose. 2)
I am interested in a system for cleating the jib sheets with a jam or similar cleat - this would be especially helpful when single handed - any advice on model or placement. 3) What is the best sytem for leading the main halyard to the cockpit so I can raise and lower the main from there also what are the pros and cons of Lazy Jacks - The boat came with them but I had them removed to eliminate clutter.4) what is the best system for ensuring that the plugs on the luff of the main stay in the sail track when hoisting or lowering sail. I have a gate where the plugs are inserted but it is not very effective. 5) ALso advice on best/safest method of jiffy reefing - especially when single handed or with in experienced crew would be helpful - getting the eye on the hook and then tensioning the main halyard quickly and smoothly is the main problem. 6) Is this boat really trailerable if so wht size trailer/vehicle would I need. I love this boat and plan to keep it for some years - but need to enhance my own skills and understand the boat better. Any advice is most welcome.
Dick Kobayashi
Susan B #104
Nattapoisett, MA
kobayashir@aol.com
CD 25D Rigging and Trailering
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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mike
Re: CD 25D Rigging and Trailering
Let's start from the top:
1. You are correct on the use of the tracks. The rear rail is for the Genoa, the inside forward for the jib.
2. I wouldn't mess with a jam cleat for your winches. Upgrade to a self tailing winch. It will clear away space, and make single handling much easier. If your winches are still original, there's been a number of nice upgrades that really make the money worth it.
3. You can add a tabernacle to the boat this winter. This would allow you to set up a series of blocks at the mast step. This will make running everything back to the cockpit much easier. You will need to add a turning block on the forward side fo the cabin. Unless you plan on changing the mast head, and making the halyards internal. I do agree with you, Lazy Jacks add another level of clutter, and the main on a 25d is not that unmanageble without them. Check out Harken's web site. It has a number of drawings on how to set it up.
4. Check that gate, it may be broken. Once closed you shouldn't be loosing any of your slides.
5. I've found the one piece of equipment that can make all the difference in reefing is an autopilot. You can set it on a course. Do your work at the mast, and not worry about what's going on at the tiller. In fact, before investing in all the blocks and lines to lead your halyards back to the cockpit, try an autopilot. For about $400.00 you can get a nice one. It will build a tremendous amount confidence into your single handed sailhandling ability.
6. I've never trailered mine. It's a lot of boat, and a lot of set up. You will need something with a big V-8 diesel engine for any distances. I see the boats listed with trailers, but most often these are just used to drag it home for the season, or someplace to store the boat. The 25d is about 5500lbs, and unless you've got some real "muscle friends" or access to a crane, you don't want to be moving the stick around much during the season. If you don't have a trailer, save the money. It cost me about $250 to have my mast stepped and towed to my house by the pros. Even at $500 a year, it will take you 10-years to make a trailer cost effective. Plus insurance, tax and hassles.
Hope this helps, Happy sailing,
Mike
"Wakonda" 25d #84
Scituate, MA
mwankum@tribune.com
1. You are correct on the use of the tracks. The rear rail is for the Genoa, the inside forward for the jib.
2. I wouldn't mess with a jam cleat for your winches. Upgrade to a self tailing winch. It will clear away space, and make single handling much easier. If your winches are still original, there's been a number of nice upgrades that really make the money worth it.
3. You can add a tabernacle to the boat this winter. This would allow you to set up a series of blocks at the mast step. This will make running everything back to the cockpit much easier. You will need to add a turning block on the forward side fo the cabin. Unless you plan on changing the mast head, and making the halyards internal. I do agree with you, Lazy Jacks add another level of clutter, and the main on a 25d is not that unmanageble without them. Check out Harken's web site. It has a number of drawings on how to set it up.
4. Check that gate, it may be broken. Once closed you shouldn't be loosing any of your slides.
5. I've found the one piece of equipment that can make all the difference in reefing is an autopilot. You can set it on a course. Do your work at the mast, and not worry about what's going on at the tiller. In fact, before investing in all the blocks and lines to lead your halyards back to the cockpit, try an autopilot. For about $400.00 you can get a nice one. It will build a tremendous amount confidence into your single handed sailhandling ability.
6. I've never trailered mine. It's a lot of boat, and a lot of set up. You will need something with a big V-8 diesel engine for any distances. I see the boats listed with trailers, but most often these are just used to drag it home for the season, or someplace to store the boat. The 25d is about 5500lbs, and unless you've got some real "muscle friends" or access to a crane, you don't want to be moving the stick around much during the season. If you don't have a trailer, save the money. It cost me about $250 to have my mast stepped and towed to my house by the pros. Even at $500 a year, it will take you 10-years to make a trailer cost effective. Plus insurance, tax and hassles.
Hope this helps, Happy sailing,
Mike
"Wakonda" 25d #84
Scituate, MA
Dick Kobayashi wrote: I have a 25D I sail in Buzzards Bay, MA. I have owned the Boat for about a year and have sevral questions. 1) There are two tracks for jib sheets one is outsidfe the side stays the other inside and more forward. I assume the outer track is for the Genoa ( I use it for this purpose) Is the inner set for a 100% jib or for some other purpose. 2)
I am interested in a system for cleating the jib sheets with a jam or similar cleat - this would be especially helpful when single handed - any advice on model or placement. 3) What is the best sytem for leading the main halyard to the cockpit so I can raise and lower the main from there also what are the pros and cons of Lazy Jacks - The boat came with them but I had them removed to eliminate clutter.4) what is the best system for ensuring that the plugs on the luff of the main stay in the sail track when hoisting or lowering sail. I have a gate where the plugs are inserted but it is not very effective. 5) ALso advice on best/safest method of jiffy reefing - especially when single handed or with in experienced crew would be helpful - getting the eye on the hook and then tensioning the main halyard quickly and smoothly is the main problem. 6) Is this boat really trailerable if so wht size trailer/vehicle would I need. I love this boat and plan to keep it for some years - but need to enhance my own skills and understand the boat better. Any advice is most welcome.
Dick Kobayashi
Susan B #104
Nattapoisett, MA
mwankum@tribune.com
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Bob B.
Re: CD 25D Rigging and Trailering
I agree about the autopilot and jiffy reefing while single handing. I also heave to by bringing the boat through the wind without allowing the jib to go to the lee side of the boat. Keep it to windward. Then, bring your tiller hard to the lee side and the boat should stay fairly still while you can ease the main sheet and reef the main. This has been the easiest, less stressful method that I have used.
Bob B.
CD25D Tiva
Charleston, SC
BundyR@aol.com
Bob B.
CD25D Tiva
Charleston, SC
BundyR@aol.com
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Dan
Re: CD 25D Rigging and Trailering
I pulled my 25D about 1000 miles after I bought it. Had a truck with pulling gears in the differential and it was tough. Trailered like a dream, but it will require a truck with a towing package that can pull the 5500 of the boat, and the 1200 of the trailer. My truck was not enough to pull the boat, and I was on the northern prairie. Truck was 1/2 ton.mike wrote: Let's start from the top:
1. You are correct on the use of the tracks. The rear rail is for the Genoa, the inside forward for the jib.
2. I wouldn't mess with a jam cleat for your winches. Upgrade to a self tailing winch. It will clear away space, and make single handling much easier. If your winches are still original, there's been a number of nice upgrades that really make the money worth it.
3. You can add a tabernacle to the boat this winter. This would allow you to set up a series of blocks at the mast step. This will make running everything back to the cockpit much easier. You will need to add a turning block on the forward side fo the cabin. Unless you plan on changing the mast head, and making the halyards internal. I do agree with you, Lazy Jacks add another level of clutter, and the main on a 25d is not that unmanageble without them. Check out Harken's web site. It has a number of drawings on how to set it up.
4. Check that gate, it may be broken. Once closed you shouldn't be loosing any of your slides.
5. I've found the one piece of equipment that can make all the difference in reefing is an autopilot. You can set it on a course. Do your work at the mast, and not worry about what's going on at the tiller. In fact, before investing in all the blocks and lines to lead your halyards back to the cockpit, try an autopilot. For about $400.00 you can get a nice one. It will build a tremendous amount confidence into your single handed sailhandling ability.
6. I've never trailered mine. It's a lot of boat, and a lot of set up. You will need something with a big V-8 diesel engine for any distances. I see the boats listed with trailers, but most often these are just used to drag it home for the season, or someplace to store the boat. The 25d is about 5500lbs, and unless you've got some real "muscle friends" or access to a crane, you don't want to be moving the stick around much during the season. If you don't have a trailer, save the money. It cost me about $250 to have my mast stepped and towed to my house by the pros. Even at $500 a year, it will take you 10-years to make a trailer cost effective. Plus insurance, tax and hassles.
Hope this helps, Happy sailing,
Mike
"Wakonda" 25d #84
Scituate, MA
Dick Kobayashi wrote: I have a 25D I sail in Buzzards Bay, MA. I have owned the Boat for about a year and have sevral questions. 1) There are two tracks for jib sheets one is outsidfe the side stays the other inside and more forward. I assume the outer track is for the Genoa ( I use it for this purpose) Is the inner set for a 100% jib or for some other purpose. 2)
I am interested in a system for cleating the jib sheets with a jam or similar cleat - this would be especially helpful when single handed - any advice on model or placement. 3) What is the best sytem for leading the main halyard to the cockpit so I can raise and lower the main from there also what are the pros and cons of Lazy Jacks - The boat came with them but I had them removed to eliminate clutter.4) what is the best system for ensuring that the plugs on the luff of the main stay in the sail track when hoisting or lowering sail. I have a gate where the plugs are inserted but it is not very effective. 5) ALso advice on best/safest method of jiffy reefing - especially when single handed or with in experienced crew would be helpful - getting the eye on the hook and then tensioning the main halyard quickly and smoothly is the main problem. 6) Is this boat really trailerable if so wht size trailer/vehicle would I need. I love this boat and plan to keep it for some years - but need to enhance my own skills and understand the boat better. Any advice is most welcome.
Dick Kobayashi
Susan B #104
Nattapoisett, MA
dusty613up@yahoo.com