Greetings,
I would like to upgrade from a old CDI to Harken furling for a new to us 33. The book says the forestay is 9/32 but we measured the existing forestay at 5/16. I would like opinions on whether to get a new 5/16 or 9/32 one for installing the new furler. It makes a difference as the Harken Unit 1 can only handle up to 9/32 wire. The 5/16 size requires a Unit 1.5. I like the idea of beefing up but not if it isn't needed. I know about "Extra weight aloft" but is it a big difference?
We hope to be on Lake Superior and do like to sail when it blows. Any thoughts on this?
Thanks folks, I will have many more questions as we prepare to launch in May.
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77
Minnesota
nyeme001@tc.umn.edu
CD 33 Headstay size
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: CD 33 Headstay size
Captain Danicic,
When I replaced the bobstay on Hanalei a few weeks ago, the rigger at Sound Rigging, in Essex, CT.(www.soundrigging.com) looked at the old one and said "you really should go up in size for this. Cape Dory was notorious for having forestays/backstays that are to light! But, then again, Pearson, Catalina and a number of other manufacturers did the same thing! I guess they just get away with it!" I guess if I were you, and were going to replace the forestay anyway, I would go with the 9/32 and at the same time replace the backstay!
As an aside, talk to the riggers at Sound Rigging, I was very impressed with their setup! A really neat shop, and they have all the right equipment to make the rig you want! They make it look simple! ! !
FWIW...
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30C
CDSOA Number ONE ! ! !
Noank, CT.
When I replaced the bobstay on Hanalei a few weeks ago, the rigger at Sound Rigging, in Essex, CT.(www.soundrigging.com) looked at the old one and said "you really should go up in size for this. Cape Dory was notorious for having forestays/backstays that are to light! But, then again, Pearson, Catalina and a number of other manufacturers did the same thing! I guess they just get away with it!" I guess if I were you, and were going to replace the forestay anyway, I would go with the 9/32 and at the same time replace the backstay!
As an aside, talk to the riggers at Sound Rigging, I was very impressed with their setup! A really neat shop, and they have all the right equipment to make the rig you want! They make it look simple! ! !
FWIW...
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30C
CDSOA Number ONE ! ! !
Noank, CT.
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Hanalei
Re: Also.........
Captain Danicic,
One last thing, the cost of the wire is not the main concern, wire is cheap, 9/32 7X19 316 SS is probably around $2.00 per foot.(oh, and Cape Dory did NOT use 316 SS I believe it was 304!) The REAL expense is in the swaged fittings, typically around $20.00 EACH!
Hanalei
One last thing, the cost of the wire is not the main concern, wire is cheap, 9/32 7X19 316 SS is probably around $2.00 per foot.(oh, and Cape Dory did NOT use 316 SS I believe it was 304!) The REAL expense is in the swaged fittings, typically around $20.00 EACH!
Hanalei
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Larry DeMers
Re: CD 33 Headstay size
Paul,
Welcome to local Spring!! Was gloriously warm and melting up in the Apostles this past weekend..we're 3 weeks from launching.
I would opt for the 9/32" head stay AND backstay..also both upper stays.
I am of the opinion that the stay sizes are at least one size too small for my likes too, although Carl Alberg knew what he was about, and did the load calculations I am sure. But my gut feeling is that the rigs are a tad small. I had the same rigging size on my first sailboat, a C-Scow~! (20ft. wood, Cat rigged with a 250 sq.ft. sail, planing racing hull that could hit 20 kts easily). My sense is that if you are changing..go up in size one notch.
Also, I would for certain use Norseman or other owner installed fittings, rather than swaged fittings. This way you cna repair/replace yourself, as needed...in the future.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30
Lake Superior/Apostle Islands
demers@sgi.com
Welcome to local Spring!! Was gloriously warm and melting up in the Apostles this past weekend..we're 3 weeks from launching.
I would opt for the 9/32" head stay AND backstay..also both upper stays.
I am of the opinion that the stay sizes are at least one size too small for my likes too, although Carl Alberg knew what he was about, and did the load calculations I am sure. But my gut feeling is that the rigs are a tad small. I had the same rigging size on my first sailboat, a C-Scow~! (20ft. wood, Cat rigged with a 250 sq.ft. sail, planing racing hull that could hit 20 kts easily). My sense is that if you are changing..go up in size one notch.
Also, I would for certain use Norseman or other owner installed fittings, rather than swaged fittings. This way you cna repair/replace yourself, as needed...in the future.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30
Lake Superior/Apostle Islands
Paul D. wrote: Greetings,
I would like to upgrade from a old CDI to Harken furling for a new to us 33. The book says the forestay is 9/32 but we measured the existing forestay at 5/16. I would like opinions on whether to get a new 5/16 or 9/32 one for installing the new furler. It makes a difference as the Harken Unit 1 can only handle up to 9/32 wire. The 5/16 size requires a Unit 1.5. I like the idea of beefing up but not if it isn't needed. I know about "Extra weight aloft" but is it a big difference?
We hope to be on Lake Superior and do like to sail when it blows. Any thoughts on this?
Thanks folks, I will have many more questions as we prepare to launch in May.
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77
Minnesota
demers@sgi.com
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Paul D.
Re: CD 33 Headstay size
Thanks Larry and Dave,
I will go with the 5/16, which last time I checked is 1/32 bigger than 9/32 and what I think you both meant to recommend. The manual says the boats were supplied with 9/32. If the general opinion is that CD went light and the fact that the existing headstay was upped mean anything, and the cost is minimal, then going heavier by 1/32 it is. As Yul Brynner said, "So it shall be written, so it shall be done."
All the best, more questions on the way!
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77 "I gotta name this thing"
Minnesota
nyeme001@tc.umn.edu
I will go with the 5/16, which last time I checked is 1/32 bigger than 9/32 and what I think you both meant to recommend. The manual says the boats were supplied with 9/32. If the general opinion is that CD went light and the fact that the existing headstay was upped mean anything, and the cost is minimal, then going heavier by 1/32 it is. As Yul Brynner said, "So it shall be written, so it shall be done."
All the best, more questions on the way!
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77 "I gotta name this thing"
Minnesota
nyeme001@tc.umn.edu