I'm looking for a trailer sailer and would appreciate your comments on using a CD25 for this purpose, this is a great looking boat. Pulling the boat is no problem but I'm more concurned about stepping the mast, possible damage to the boat's structure, etc,etc.. I live within a couple of hours of Bahia San Carlos and plan to use it there.. Your comments will be greatly appreciated!!
Thanks
Art..............
n2deep@kornet.net
CD 25 as a trailer sailor
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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Will W.
Re: CD 25 as a trailer sailor
Hi Art
Unstepping the mast is not a minor task on a CD25. You could set it up to be accomplished by two people in under 15 minutes with practice I think. You would need some lumber that would need to be carried around, but the rigging for a jin pole is pretty simple. I was able to unstep the mast on my CD25 with just an A frame jin pole an anchor rode and the jib halyard plus a few blocks here and there.
The real problem I see with this is the time involved before and after sailing. Adding anouther 15 to 30 minutes for the mast and about the same for launch and retreval, you have put a lot of work on either end of your sailing. This will no doubt lead to your loosing interest in actually going sailing. If a slip is not an option for you maybe you could keep her on a trailer at the marina. at least then you don't have to unstep the mast every time you want to sail. Good luck.
Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25
willwheatley@starpower.net
Unstepping the mast is not a minor task on a CD25. You could set it up to be accomplished by two people in under 15 minutes with practice I think. You would need some lumber that would need to be carried around, but the rigging for a jin pole is pretty simple. I was able to unstep the mast on my CD25 with just an A frame jin pole an anchor rode and the jib halyard plus a few blocks here and there.
The real problem I see with this is the time involved before and after sailing. Adding anouther 15 to 30 minutes for the mast and about the same for launch and retreval, you have put a lot of work on either end of your sailing. This will no doubt lead to your loosing interest in actually going sailing. If a slip is not an option for you maybe you could keep her on a trailer at the marina. at least then you don't have to unstep the mast every time you want to sail. Good luck.
Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25
Art Francis wrote: I'm looking for a trailer sailer and would appreciate your comments on using a CD25 for this purpose, this is a great looking boat. Pulling the boat is no problem but I'm more concurned about stepping the mast, possible damage to the boat's structure, etc,etc.. I live within a couple of hours of Bahia San Carlos and plan to use it there.. Your comments will be greatly appreciated!!
Thanks
Art..............
willwheatley@starpower.net
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Bill
Re: CD 25 as a trailer sailor
Hello Art
Some months back Good Old Boat had an article on rigging a jin pole for trailer sailers. I looks as if it was a good system (like I would know) and fairly easy to rig. Maybe someone will know what issue and provide that information.
Also, i dont think this would be an every weekend thing (at least not for me) but an afternoon to step and rig, several days (weeks or months) to sail followed by a similiar de-rigging period, sounds doable.
Fair Winds and Happy Holidays
Bill
S/V Rhapsody
CD25D
cd25d@rhapsodysails.com
Some months back Good Old Boat had an article on rigging a jin pole for trailer sailers. I looks as if it was a good system (like I would know) and fairly easy to rig. Maybe someone will know what issue and provide that information.
Also, i dont think this would be an every weekend thing (at least not for me) but an afternoon to step and rig, several days (weeks or months) to sail followed by a similiar de-rigging period, sounds doable.
Fair Winds and Happy Holidays
Bill
S/V Rhapsody
CD25D
Art Francis wrote: I'm looking for a trailer sailer and would appreciate your comments on using a CD25 for this purpose, this is a great looking boat. Pulling the boat is no problem but I'm more concurned about stepping the mast, possible damage to the boat's structure, etc,etc.. I live within a couple of hours of Bahia San Carlos and plan to use it there.. Your comments will be greatly appreciated!!
Thanks
Art..............
cd25d@rhapsodysails.com
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Ken Coit
No Fear Mast Stepping
Article was in May/June issue of Good Old Boat Pp 28 - 29.
Ken
CD/36 Parfait
Raleigh, NC
PPPparfait@nc.rr.com (del PPP)
Ken
CD/36 Parfait
Raleigh, NC
Bill wrote: Hello Art
Some months back Good Old Boat had an article on rigging a jin pole for trailer sailers. I looks as if it was a good system (like I would know) and fairly easy to rig. Maybe someone will know what issue and provide that information.
Also, i dont think this would be an every weekend thing (at least not for me) but an afternoon to step and rig, several days (weeks or months) to sail followed by a similiar de-rigging period, sounds doable.
Fair Winds and Happy Holidays
Bill
S/V Rhapsody
CD25D
Art Francis wrote: I'm looking for a trailer sailer and would appreciate your comments on using a CD25 for this purpose, this is a great looking boat. Pulling the boat is no problem but I'm more concurned about stepping the mast, possible damage to the boat's structure, etc,etc.. I live within a couple of hours of Bahia San Carlos and plan to use it there.. Your comments will be greatly appreciated!!
Thanks
Art..............
PPPparfait@nc.rr.com (del PPP)
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Jim
Re: CD 25 as a trailer sailor
Since the 25D draws 4 feet you will most likely want the help of a yard to haul and launch. They will no doubt have little trouble stepping and dropping yor rig if they have either a trevelift or crane.
jmyers@styluscentral.com
jmyers@styluscentral.com
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JimL
Re: CD 25 as a trailer sailor
I'm rigging mine for single handed mast step/unstep using the A frame method, with a rear X-frame tied to the stern pulpit/rear cleats. The trickiest problem is keeping the mast from swinging side to side, as you start to hoist. I put it up with a single A-frame, made of 2" PVC schedule 40 pipe, with 1 1/2" inside (for stiffness). I'm going to make another A frame, that will pivot off of the rear chainplates (I used the front ones for the lifting A-frame anchor point). The rear A-frame will have a PVC pipe loop (loose fit) that will slide down the mast as I hoist. This will give side to side control until the shrouds start to take up.
Here are some important tips:
1. Using a single piece of 3/4" masking tape, tape the outer shrouds as upright as you can, to the lifelines, above the chainplate). This will prevent kinking the T-bolt below the turnbuckle, as the mast takes up slack (happens fast at the end of travel).
2. Tape the backstay to the stern pulpit, in the same fashion. Secure the backstay over the back of the boat (out of cockpit) with small pieces of tearaway masking tape, as needed.
3. Have polypropelene floating lines tied to the rear uprights on the trailer, and have a known measurement or mark to locate them, on the boat. When they are pulled up straight, they must be on your mark, or the boat is not correctly positioned on the trailer.
4. Here is the complement to the #3 method. When I used to trailer sail a fin keel Santana 20, I weighed my trailer, with the boat off, then calculated displacement (water volume) to make the trailer sub-bouyant. I used closed cell refrigeration foam, mounted just below the pads (in plywood boxes), to make the trailer light enough to lift by hand (when submerged). Using this system, I backed the trailer in plenty deep, then lifted it to the boat, positioned perfectly, tied and winched tight, and pulled the whole works out of the water. It worked GREAT!! The bouyancy must be above frame line, or you could flip the trailer, but I never even felt it wobble. I had to lift the trailer in about 4" steps, working from side to side, to keep the tip of my fin keel in the trailer socket.
Hope this helps.
leinfam@earthlink.net
Here are some important tips:
1. Using a single piece of 3/4" masking tape, tape the outer shrouds as upright as you can, to the lifelines, above the chainplate). This will prevent kinking the T-bolt below the turnbuckle, as the mast takes up slack (happens fast at the end of travel).
2. Tape the backstay to the stern pulpit, in the same fashion. Secure the backstay over the back of the boat (out of cockpit) with small pieces of tearaway masking tape, as needed.
3. Have polypropelene floating lines tied to the rear uprights on the trailer, and have a known measurement or mark to locate them, on the boat. When they are pulled up straight, they must be on your mark, or the boat is not correctly positioned on the trailer.
4. Here is the complement to the #3 method. When I used to trailer sail a fin keel Santana 20, I weighed my trailer, with the boat off, then calculated displacement (water volume) to make the trailer sub-bouyant. I used closed cell refrigeration foam, mounted just below the pads (in plywood boxes), to make the trailer light enough to lift by hand (when submerged). Using this system, I backed the trailer in plenty deep, then lifted it to the boat, positioned perfectly, tied and winched tight, and pulled the whole works out of the water. It worked GREAT!! The bouyancy must be above frame line, or you could flip the trailer, but I never even felt it wobble. I had to lift the trailer in about 4" steps, working from side to side, to keep the tip of my fin keel in the trailer socket.
Hope this helps.
leinfam@earthlink.net
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John MacArthur
Re: CD 25 as a trailer sailor
They have mast-up storage at San Carlos, if you're talking about the one in Sonora, Mex. It's fairly reasonable, too, if you keep your boat on your trailer.Art Francis wrote: I'm more concurned about stepping the mast, possible damage to the boat's structure, etc,etc.. I live within a couple of hours of Bahia San Carlos and plan to use it there.. Your comments will be greatly appreciated!!
jmac@laplaza.org
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Jim Stull
Re: CD 25 as a trailer sailor
Hi Art
We have trailered our CD25 many thousands of miles without problems.
We also have built a simple bipod from 1"emt tubing which connects to the fwd chainplates. This provides a very rigid stable method of raising the mast. We re-rig our boom vang with longer line to make the lift. Since the vang has a brake, you can stop at any time (even go have lunch in the middle of the job) without problem.
However, I would not want to do this everytime I wished to go sailing. Little things like connecting up the wiring to the mast is a pain. Tensioning the shrouds and stays takes time. Taking off the boom and sails ... If you have roller furling, which we eventually found to be a great help, requires a lot of care and preferable an additional person to control when the mast is going up or down. I guess we are slow and maybe too careful but we take at least an hour and probably more, lashing down the mast and strapping down the boat for travel.
Launching the boat will require a tongue extender and perfect knowledge of the length of the ramp. Talk to someone who has dropped their boat trailer off a too short ramp!
The CD 25 a fine seaboat. Because of the full keel, heavy ballast and narrow beam the boat will take care of you better than the "motel room on wheels" type of boat. But I would't be inclined to recommend it as a trailer daysailer.
Jim
jtstull@earthlink.net
We have trailered our CD25 many thousands of miles without problems.
We also have built a simple bipod from 1"emt tubing which connects to the fwd chainplates. This provides a very rigid stable method of raising the mast. We re-rig our boom vang with longer line to make the lift. Since the vang has a brake, you can stop at any time (even go have lunch in the middle of the job) without problem.
However, I would not want to do this everytime I wished to go sailing. Little things like connecting up the wiring to the mast is a pain. Tensioning the shrouds and stays takes time. Taking off the boom and sails ... If you have roller furling, which we eventually found to be a great help, requires a lot of care and preferable an additional person to control when the mast is going up or down. I guess we are slow and maybe too careful but we take at least an hour and probably more, lashing down the mast and strapping down the boat for travel.
Launching the boat will require a tongue extender and perfect knowledge of the length of the ramp. Talk to someone who has dropped their boat trailer off a too short ramp!
The CD 25 a fine seaboat. Because of the full keel, heavy ballast and narrow beam the boat will take care of you better than the "motel room on wheels" type of boat. But I would't be inclined to recommend it as a trailer daysailer.
Jim
jtstull@earthlink.net