Leaving electronic on board

[warren moore]

Now that it's time to winterize boat and store on the hard,I'm concerned about leaving my vhf radio on board. Not because of security but temperature. Wiring makes it difficult to disconnect. Boat will be shrink wrapped. All other electronics will be removed.
Thanks
Warren
CD 28 Crisscross



jeoff@optonline.com

[Will W.]

Hi Warren
I can unplug my VHF at the back of the Radio itself. The antennae and the power cords both have fittings and it takes about two seconds to connect or disconnect. I don't have to mess with anything else, like getting into the wiring. If you don't have one that lets you do this maybe its time to get one (lightning may take care of this problem for you if you are not using lightning surge protectors on your antennae( these are of questionable effectiveness anyway)). I have read a lot about this and the only way to protect your radio for sure when lightning strikes, is to have the wires to the radio diconnected and grounded. If you do not want to buy a new radio(understandable), I would splice some fittings into the wiring just behind the radio so that removal becomes simplicity itself. As far as will the radio be damaged by being left onboard all winter? I don't know. Mine is supposted to be moisture resistant. But for how long? I always work on the "better safe than sorry" method when dealing with boating.
Good Luck With Witerizing

Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25

Now that it's time to winterize boat and store on the hard,I'm concerned about leaving my vhf radio on board. Not because of security but temperature. Wiring makes it difficult to disconnect. Boat will be shrink wrapped. All other electronics will be removed.
Thanks
Warren
CD 28 Crisscross

willwheatley@starpower.net

[Larry DeMers]

Must be a case of not enough to do, heh?

Let me get this right..you disconnect your boat stereo before leaving it for the winter? Why?
Most stereos are basicly car stereos. no? Do people remove their steroes from their cars in the winter time? Nope..none that I have ever heard of do that. They work fine in cold weather. I would worry more about the speakers being effected by the cold than the stereo itself. What could happen to the stereo during the winter anyway? The boat is covered with a tarp to keep water out, right? The cold certainly will not get to it, as it would also effect stereos in cars all across the country if that were the case.

Finally, we leave our Alpine stereo installed and connected, with no special considerations at all. This is the second stereo in 12 years, and we have never had a problem with over-winter storage.
As far as protecting the stereo from lightning while on the hard..there is no protection you can do short of removal from the boat itself, that would make any difference as to whether your radio makes it through a strike or not. The reason is the mechanism of the lightning strike. It produces an ELectro-Magnetic-Pulse, or EMP,which is a very powerful magnetic impulse that surrounds the entirety of the boat and those around her probably. This pulse will permeat most metals (except for Mu Metal), and invade all circuitry. As it passes by each wire, foil and trace inside your electronics, it also crosses over and thru the wires and circuit traces on the printed circuit board, generating hundreds to thousands of volts thru induction (similar to a transformer, except that here the air is the core, the emp is the primary winding generated field, the printed circuitry is the secondary windings etc.).

The developed voltage travels everywhere in that piece of equipment, and will burn through most transistor junctions, etc. it makes no difference if that gear was disconnected and wrapped in aluminum foil, stowed in a drawer. It will still be exposed and effected by a strike like we are talking about here.

That said, few boats are struck while on the hard, for some reason.
My advise is to spend the time on the stuff that needs winterization in the boat, and leave the stereo as it is.

Cheers,

Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Lake Superior

Hi Warren
I can unplug my VHF at the back of the Radio itself. The antennae and the power cords both have fittings and it takes about two seconds to connect or disconnect. I don't have to mess with anything else, like getting into the wiring. If you don't have one that lets you do this maybe its time to get one (lightning may take care of this problem for you if you are not using lightning surge protectors on your antennae( these are of questionable effectiveness anyway)). I have read a lot about this and the only way to protect your radio for sure when lightning strikes, is to have the wires to the radio diconnected and grounded. If you do not want to buy a new radio(understandable), I would splice some fittings into the wiring just behind the radio so that removal becomes simplicity itself. As far as will the radio be damaged by being left onboard all winter? I don't know. Mine is supposted to be moisture resistant. But for how long? I always work on the "better safe than sorry" method when dealing with boating.
Good Luck With Witerizing

Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25

Now that it's time to winterize boat and store on the hard,I'm concerned about leaving my vhf radio on board. Not because of security but temperature. Wiring makes it difficult to disconnect. Boat will be shrink wrapped. All other electronics will be removed.
Thanks
Warren
CD 28 Crisscross

demers@sgi.com

[Will W.]

Now let me get this straight Larry. You don't subscribe to the theories of "An ounce of prevention..." and " Better safe than..." anymore. I've read a lot of posts from you in the past and none of them, as I recall were filled with wreckless or sloppy advise.
The discussion of lightning strikes and what to do about them is huge and many people make money selling books about this subject ( some of which I have read ). So I know that in theory you can't do anything about an EMP. I only said that the only way to protect your radio (VHF not Stereo, by the way)is to disconnect the antennae and power AND ground them. This is not a gaurantee of protection, but leaving your radio plugged in during a strike is a garaunteed loss. It seems to me that a few seconds to disconnect and take home my radio for the winter is no big deal, since I know for a fact that my radio is safe in my basement( maybe you would still be on Stereo #1 ). I know its cold up there, maybe warmer weather will soften you up a little.

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25

Must be a case of not enough to do, heh?

Let me get this right..you disconnect your boat stereo before leaving it for the winter? Why?
Most stereos are basicly car stereos. no? Do people remove their steroes from their cars in the winter time? Nope..none that I have ever heard of do that. They work fine in cold weather. I would worry more about the speakers being effected by the cold than the stereo itself. What could happen to the stereo during the winter anyway? The boat is covered with a tarp to keep water out, right? The cold certainly will not get to it, as it would also effect stereos in cars all across the country if that were the case.

Finally, we leave our Alpine stereo installed and connected, with no special considerations at all. This is the second stereo in 12 years, and we have never had a problem with over-winter storage.
As far as protecting the stereo from lightning while on the hard..there is no protection you can do short of removal from the boat itself, that would make any difference as to whether your radio makes it through a strike or not. The reason is the mechanism of the lightning strike. It produces an ELectro-Magnetic-Pulse, or EMP,which is a very powerful magnetic impulse that surrounds the entirety of the boat and those around her probably. This pulse will permeat most metals (except for Mu Metal), and invade all circuitry. As it passes by each wire, foil and trace inside your electronics, it also crosses over and thru the wires and circuit traces on the printed circuit board, generating hundreds to thousands of volts thru induction (similar to a transformer, except that here the air is the core, the emp is the primary winding generated field, the printed circuitry is the secondary windings etc.).

The developed voltage travels everywhere in that piece of equipment, and will burn through most transistor junctions, etc. it makes no difference if that gear was disconnected and wrapped in aluminum foil, stowed in a drawer. It will still be exposed and effected by a strike like we are talking about here.

That said, few boats are struck while on the hard, for some reason.
My advise is to spend the time on the stuff that needs winterization in the boat, and leave the stereo as it is.

Cheers,

Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Lake Superior

Hi Warren
I can unplug my VHF at the back of the Radio itself. The antennae and the power cords both have fittings and it takes about two seconds to connect or disconnect. I don't have to mess with anything else, like getting into the wiring. If you don't have one that lets you do this maybe its time to get one (lightning may take care of this problem for you if you are not using lightning surge protectors on your antennae( these are of questionable effectiveness anyway)). I have read a lot about this and the only way to protect your radio for sure when lightning strikes, is to have the wires to the radio diconnected and grounded. If you do not want to buy a new radio(understandable), I would splice some fittings into the wiring just behind the radio so that removal becomes simplicity itself. As far as will the radio be damaged by being left onboard all winter? I don't know. Mine is supposted to be moisture resistant. But for how long? I always work on the "better safe than sorry" method when dealing with boating.
Good Luck With Witerizing

Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25

Now that it's time to winterize boat and store on the hard,I'm concerned about leaving my vhf radio on board. Not because of security but temperature. Wiring makes it difficult to disconnect. Boat will be shrink wrapped. All other electronics will be removed.
Thanks
Warren
CD 28 Crisscross

willwheatley@starpower.net

[Don Sargeant]

Suppose yer basement floods? or a wayward mouse needs a home?
I leave mine on board.

~~COQUINA~~
Radio and all
Greenwich Cove

Now let me get this straight Larry. You don't subscribe to the theories of "An ounce of prevention..." and " Better safe than..." anymore. I've read a lot of posts from you in the past and none of them, as I recall were filled with wreckless or sloppy advise.
The discussion of lightning strikes and what to do about them is huge and many people make money selling books about this subject ( some of which I have read ). So I know that in theory you can't do anything about an EMP. I only said that the only way to protect your radio (VHF not Stereo, by the way)is to disconnect the antennae and power AND ground them. This is not a gaurantee of protection, but leaving your radio plugged in during a strike is a garaunteed loss. It seems to me that a few seconds to disconnect and take home my radio for the winter is no big deal, since I know for a fact that my radio is safe in my basement( maybe you would still be on Stereo #1 ). I know its cold up there, maybe warmer weather will soften you up a little.

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25

Must be a case of not enough to do, heh?

Let me get this right..you disconnect your boat stereo before leaving it for the winter? Why?
Most stereos are basicly car stereos. no? Do people remove their steroes from their cars in the winter time? Nope..none that I have ever heard of do that. They work fine in cold weather. I would worry more about the speakers being effected by the cold than the stereo itself. What could happen to the stereo during the winter anyway? The boat is covered with a tarp to keep water out, right? The cold certainly will not get to it, as it would also effect stereos in cars all across the country if that were the case.

Finally, we leave our Alpine stereo installed and connected, with no special considerations at all. This is the second stereo in 12 years, and we have never had a problem with over-winter storage.
As far as protecting the stereo from lightning while on the hard..there is no protection you can do short of removal from the boat itself, that would make any difference as to whether your radio makes it through a strike or not. The reason is the mechanism of the lightning strike. It produces an ELectro-Magnetic-Pulse, or EMP,which is a very powerful magnetic impulse that surrounds the entirety of the boat and those around her probably. This pulse will permeat most metals (except for Mu Metal), and invade all circuitry. As it passes by each wire, foil and trace inside your electronics, it also crosses over and thru the wires and circuit traces on the printed circuit board, generating hundreds to thousands of volts thru induction (similar to a transformer, except that here the air is the core, the emp is the primary winding generated field, the printed circuitry is the secondary windings etc.).

The developed voltage travels everywhere in that piece of equipment, and will burn through most transistor junctions, etc. it makes no difference if that gear was disconnected and wrapped in aluminum foil, stowed in a drawer. It will still be exposed and effected by a strike like we are talking about here.

That said, few boats are struck while on the hard, for some reason.
My advise is to spend the time on the stuff that needs winterization in the boat, and leave the stereo as it is.

Cheers,

Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Lake Superior

Hi Warren
I can unplug my VHF at the back of the Radio itself. The antennae and the power cords both have fittings and it takes about two seconds to connect or disconnect. I don't have to mess with anything else, like getting into the wiring. If you don't have one that lets you do this maybe its time to get one (lightning may take care of this problem for you if you are not using lightning surge protectors on your antennae( these are of questionable effectiveness anyway)). I have read a lot about this and the only way to protect your radio for sure when lightning strikes, is to have the wires to the radio diconnected and grounded. If you do not want to buy a new radio(understandable), I would splice some fittings into the wiring just behind the radio so that removal becomes simplicity itself. As far as will the radio be damaged by being left onboard all winter? I don't know. Mine is supposted to be moisture resistant. But for how long? I always work on the "better safe than sorry" method when dealing with boating.
Good Luck With Witerizing

Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25

[Larry DeMers]

Will,

Sorry if I appeared to be a bit cold in my answer to you..I do subscribe to an "ounce of prevention..", of course..I am a sailor afterall. But I choose where to fight my fights and when to leave well enough alone. I was just saying that there is no reason to bring a radio home from the boat over winter, unless you want to of course...and that is all the reason that you need to do something sometimes. So if that is your way..then do so in good health.
But from an engineering point of view, there is no reason to do this. Cold does not hurt the radios or the displays like it did in the beginning of LCD displays -at least it is not supposed to. I have stopped removing my compass even, after realizing that it is perhaps not necessary to do so, and it causes me extra work in the spring. The result is that we have had no problems from this practice and experience less work getting the compass in and out, less chance of damage to the correction magnets while in storage, etc.etc.

Taking out the radio is just another thing to remove and replace when you are back aboard. You might gain some protection from theft I suppose, and that is worth while. The lightning threat is so small in the winter time, that it is not worth considering up here..maybe where you are?? reagrding my first radio..that was ruined by water dripping in on the darn things top surface when it rained..shorted it out. So I found the problem area and recaulked it, then I built a rain deflector for the top of the radio, so that if that pathway ever pened up again, the rain would fall harmlessly to the side fo the radio itself. *(see, belts and suspenders again!)*

I wonder why you would consider this advise as "reckless or sloppy"?
I do not view it as either, but rather a practical suggestion that may save you time and effort. Don't forget what I was offering was not a command that you were to obey unthinkingly, but simply advise that I found does work..and that you might try if interested.

Winter time preparations take on a larger than life quality to them sometimes, in that sentimentality and feelings of separation angst
seem to effect what we bring home, and what our winterization habits are. One year, out of frustration at being withoput our beloved boat for 5 months, I took our cushions home. Their smell and look reminded me of the boat whenever I walked by them in the basement, and gave me a mini-boost. Looking at pictures does the same thing. So I suppose that bringing a radio home from the boat kind of is the same thing as me and those cushions.

Does that help a bit? I agree that the first answer was a bit terse, and I am sorry about that. I had a bad week and my patience level was too low to be writting..I should have known that.

Cheers,

Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Still warm and 60 deg. on Lake Superior..

Now let me get this straight Larry. You don't subscribe to the theories of "An ounce of prevention..." and " Better safe than..." anymore. I've read a lot of posts from you in the past and none of them, as I recall were filled with wreckless or sloppy advise.
The discussion of lightning strikes and what to do about them is huge and many people make money selling books about this subject ( some of which I have read ). So I know that in theory you can't do anything about an EMP. I only said that the only way to protect your radio (VHF not Stereo, by the way)is to disconnect the antennae and power AND ground them. This is not a gaurantee of protection, but leaving your radio plugged in during a strike is a garaunteed loss. It seems to me that a few seconds to disconnect and take home my radio for the winter is no big deal, since I know for a fact that my radio is safe in my basement( maybe you would still be on Stereo #1 ). I know its cold up there, maybe warmer weather will soften you up a little.

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25

Must be a case of not enough to do, heh?

Let me get this right..you disconnect your boat stereo before leaving it for the winter? Why?
Most stereos are basicly car stereos. no? Do people remove their steroes from their cars in the winter time? Nope..none that I have ever heard of do that. They work fine in cold weather. I would worry more about the speakers being effected by the cold than the stereo itself. What could happen to the stereo during the winter anyway? The boat is covered with a tarp to keep water out, right? The cold certainly will not get to it, as it would also effect stereos in cars all across the country if that were the case.

Finally, we leave our Alpine stereo installed and connected, with no special considerations at all. This is the second stereo in 12 years, and we have never had a problem with over-winter storage.
As far as protecting the stereo from lightning while on the hard..there is no protection you can do short of removal from the boat itself, that would make any difference as to whether your radio makes it through a strike or not. The reason is the mechanism of the lightning strike. It produces an ELectro-Magnetic-Pulse, or EMP,which is a very powerful magnetic impulse that surrounds the entirety of the boat and those around her probably. This pulse will permeat most metals (except for Mu Metal), and invade all circuitry. As it passes by each wire, foil and trace inside your electronics, it also crosses over and thru the wires and circuit traces on the printed circuit board, generating hundreds to thousands of volts thru induction (similar to a transformer, except that here the air is the core, the emp is the primary winding generated field, the printed circuitry is the secondary windings etc.).

The developed voltage travels everywhere in that piece of equipment, and will burn through most transistor junctions, etc. it makes no difference if that gear was disconnected and wrapped in aluminum foil, stowed in a drawer. It will still be exposed and effected by a strike like we are talking about here.

That said, few boats are struck while on the hard, for some reason.
My advise is to spend the time on the stuff that needs winterization in the boat, and leave the stereo as it is.

Cheers,

Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Lake Superior

Hi Warren
I can unplug my VHF at the back of the Radio itself. The antennae and the power cords both have fittings and it takes about two seconds to connect or disconnect. I don't have to mess with anything else, like getting into the wiring. If you don't have one that lets you do this maybe its time to get one (lightning may take care of this problem for you if you are not using lightning surge protectors on your antennae( these are of questionable effectiveness anyway)). I have read a lot about this and the only way to protect your radio for sure when lightning strikes, is to have the wires to the radio diconnected and grounded. If you do not want to buy a new radio(understandable), I would splice some fittings into the wiring just behind the radio so that removal becomes simplicity itself. As far as will the radio be damaged by being left onboard all winter? I don't know. Mine is supposted to be moisture resistant. But for how long? I always work on the "better safe than sorry" method when dealing with boating.
Good Luck With Witerizing

Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25

demers@sgi.com

[Will W.]

Good point Don. Also Larry, I too apologize for responding to your response in a negative tone. I should never write before coffee. As you stated, sometimes there is no right or wrong way to do something, just the way I like to do it, which is perfectly fine. Without a bunch of us out there trying new stuff, this board ( which I enjoy and find very helpful )would not be neccesary. Everyone would get thier homogenous Cape Dory and that would be the end of it. I for one am glad that things are the way they are now and I will try to keep a more open mind to new ideas even when I am not seeking them.

Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25
P.S. I will probably not be so keen on removal if it was harder to do. Which I'm sure is the case in larger Cape Dorys that have a Nav. Station. On my 25 the whole thing is exposed anyway.

Suppose yer basement floods? or a wayward mouse needs a home?
I leave mine on board.

~~COQUINA~~
Radio and all
Greenwich Cove

Now let me get this straight Larry. You don't subscribe to the theories of "An ounce of prevention..." and " Better safe than..." anymore. I've read a lot of posts from you in the past and none of them, as I recall were filled with wreckless or sloppy advise.
The discussion of lightning strikes and what to do about them is huge and many people make money selling books about this subject ( some of which I have read ). So I know that in theory you can't do anything about an EMP. I only said that the only way to protect your radio (VHF not Stereo, by the way)is to disconnect the antennae and power AND ground them. This is not a gaurantee of protection, but leaving your radio plugged in during a strike is a garaunteed loss. It seems to me that a few seconds to disconnect and take home my radio for the winter is no big deal, since I know for a fact that my radio is safe in my basement( maybe you would still be on Stereo #1 ). I know its cold up there, maybe warmer weather will soften you up a little.

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25

Must be a case of not enough to do, heh?

Let me get this right..you disconnect your boat stereo before leaving it for the winter? Why?
Most stereos are basicly car stereos. no? Do people remove their steroes from their cars in the winter time? Nope..none that I have ever heard of do that. They work fine in cold weather. I would worry more about the speakers being effected by the cold than the stereo itself. What could happen to the stereo during the winter anyway? The boat is covered with a tarp to keep water out, right? The cold certainly will not get to it, as it would also effect stereos in cars all across the country if that were the case.

Finally, we leave our Alpine stereo installed and connected, with no special considerations at all. This is the second stereo in 12 years, and we have never had a problem with over-winter storage.
As far as protecting the stereo from lightning while on the hard..there is no protection you can do short of removal from the boat itself, that would make any difference as to whether your radio makes it through a strike or not. The reason is the mechanism of the lightning strike. It produces an ELectro-Magnetic-Pulse, or EMP,which is a very powerful magnetic impulse that surrounds the entirety of the boat and those around her probably. This pulse will permeat most metals (except for Mu Metal), and invade all circuitry. As it passes by each wire, foil and trace inside your electronics, it also crosses over and thru the wires and circuit traces on the printed circuit board, generating hundreds to thousands of volts thru induction (similar to a transformer, except that here the air is the core, the emp is the primary winding generated field, the printed circuitry is the secondary windings etc.).

The developed voltage travels everywhere in that piece of equipment, and will burn through most transistor junctions, etc. it makes no difference if that gear was disconnected and wrapped in aluminum foil, stowed in a drawer. It will still be exposed and effected by a strike like we are talking about here.

That said, few boats are struck while on the hard, for some reason.
My advise is to spend the time on the stuff that needs winterization in the boat, and leave the stereo as it is.

Cheers,

Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Lake Superior

willwheatley@starpower.net

[Larry DeMers]

Will, and all,

No problem..it was my answer that was too harsh. I don't drink coffee so cannot offer that as a reason either. I have noticed that my responses have been getting more and more shrill over the past 6 mn. or so, coinciding with an increase in tensions/frustrations in my own life, so I have decided to lay back and shut up for awhile, while I sort out what is bugging me, and try to recover my sense of humor. You folks don't deserve some of the attitude that I apparently have been showing in some posts.

Write me privately anytime if I can help with something..otherwise, I will be off air for awile.

Cheers and have a good and safe winter,

Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30

Good point Don. Also Larry, I too apologize for responding to your response in a negative tone. I should never write before coffee. As you stated, sometimes there is no right or wrong way to do something, just the way I like to do it, which is perfectly fine. Without a bunch of us out there trying new stuff, this board ( which I enjoy and find very helpful )would not be neccesary. Everyone would get thier homogenous Cape Dory and that would be the end of it. I for one am glad that things are the way they are now and I will try to keep a more open mind to new ideas even when I am not seeking them.

Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25
P.S. I will probably not be so keen on removal if it was harder to do. Which I'm sure is the case in larger Cape Dorys that have a Nav. Station. On my 25 the whole thing is exposed anyway.

Suppose yer basement floods? or a wayward mouse needs a home?
I leave mine on board.

~~COQUINA~~
Radio and all
Greenwich Cove

Now let me get this straight Larry. You don't subscribe to the theories of "An ounce of prevention..." and " Better safe than..." anymore. I've read a lot of posts from you in the past and none of them, as I recall were filled with wreckless or sloppy advise.
The discussion of lightning strikes and what to do about them is huge and many people make money selling books about this subject ( some of which I have read ). So I know that in theory you can't do anything about an EMP. I only said that the only way to protect your radio (VHF not Stereo, by the way)is to disconnect the antennae and power AND ground them. This is not a gaurantee of protection, but leaving your radio plugged in during a strike is a garaunteed loss. It seems to me that a few seconds to disconnect and take home my radio for the winter is no big deal, since I know for a fact that my radio is safe in my basement( maybe you would still be on Stereo #1 ). I know its cold up there, maybe warmer weather will soften you up a little.

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25

demers@sgi.com

[Chris Scheck]

I have to agree with Larry. Taking electronics home is safer, in theory, than leaving them on the boat. In reality, you run a bigger risk of dropping the stuff as you take it off the boat, down the ladder, put it in the car, take it out and down to the basement. And then there's always the chance you'll forget to bring everything back and you'll miss it on your first cruise next season. Our radio has been on the boat for 16 winters. No problem.
Better to devote your time to repairs and winterizing that really needs your attention.

Chris Scheck
RAGTIME CD33 #117



cscheck@aol.com

[D. Stump, Hanalei]

Captain DeMers,

Your wit, humor, seriousness, expertise and sometimes abrupt behavior are much appreciated by this board, if I may speak for them! Cape Dory Captains are historically tough skinned rascals, we can take it! I for one would be at a loss without your input(even if I sometimes think you go a little long in the tooth to solve something!)! Hey, if at sea long enough, we all become a little scurvy'ous (if that is a word?). I hope things in life go easy for you in the future, don't let a few wild and crazy sailor's get ya down Mate. Stay on the board, if anyone gives ya a hard time, I as Nautical Traditions Officer will rig the grate and have the bosun' have at them with the Cat-o-Nine!

A good day to you Sir, I remain......your most humble servant.....

Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30C
CDSOA #1
Nautical Traditions Officer

[Will W.]

Here Here!!
A little spirited chat can go along way. Plus, I will definatly steer clear of that dreaded pirate of the north east and his terrible cat!

Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25

Captain DeMers,

Your wit, humor, seriousness, expertise and sometimes abrupt behavior are much appreciated by this board, if I may speak for them! Cape Dory Captains are historically tough skinned rascals, we can take it! I for one would be at a loss without your input(even if I sometimes think you go a little long in the tooth to solve something!)! Hey, if at sea long enough, we all become a little scurvy'ous (if that is a word?). I hope things in life go easy for you in the future, don't let a few wild and crazy sailor's get ya down Mate. Stay on the board, if anyone gives ya a hard time, I as Nautical Traditions Officer will rig the grate and have the bosun' have at them with the Cat-o-Nine!

A good day to you Sir, I remain......your most humble servant.....

Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30C
CDSOA #1
Nautical Traditions Officer

willwheatley@starpower.net

[Larry DeMers]

Guys,
I find myself getting ticked at stupid things and acting likewise, so I need to get the mouse droppings out of my gourd before continuing. I need some time to do this..it may be as simple as letting time go by, finishing the startup of my restaurant, and getting thru Christmas in one piece!
My responses were disappointing to me when I read them after a week had past. I would be saying something to someone who treated you guys with that attitude, as you deserve better. So I will comeon back in a few weeks when my own head is in a better place.
If there is something that you want to ask me, please feel free to do so via e-mail. I'll do my best to help you.

I can't stay away from here totally, so I suspect I will lurk, checking out the issues etc. .

Larry

Here Here!!
A little spirited chat can go along way. Plus, I will definatly steer clear of that dreaded pirate of the north east and his terrible cat!

Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25

Captain DeMers,

Your wit, humor, seriousness, expertise and sometimes abrupt behavior are much appreciated by this board, if I may speak for them! Cape Dory Captains are historically tough skinned rascals, we can take it! I for one would be at a loss without your input(even if I sometimes think you go a little long in the tooth to solve something!)! Hey, if at sea long enough, we all become a little scurvy'ous (if that is a word?). I hope things in life go easy for you in the future, don't let a few wild and crazy sailor's get ya down Mate. Stay on the board, if anyone gives ya a hard time, I as Nautical Traditions Officer will rig the grate and have the bosun' have at them with the Cat-o-Nine!

A good day to you Sir, I remain......your most humble servant.....

Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30C
CDSOA #1
Nautical Traditions Officer

demers@sgi.com

[Warren Kaplan]

Captain DeMers,

Your wit, humor, seriousness, expertise and sometimes abrupt behavior are much appreciated by this board, if I may speak for them! Cape Dory Captains are historically tough skinned rascals, we can take it! I for one would be at a loss without your input(even if I sometimes think you go a little long in the tooth to solve something!)! Hey, if at sea long enough, we all become a little scurvy'ous (if that is a word?). I hope things in life go easy for you in the future, don't let a few wild and crazy sailor's get ya down Mate. Stay on the board, if anyone gives ya a hard time, I as Nautical Traditions Officer will rig the grate and have the bosun' have at them with the Cat-o-Nine!

A good day to you Sir, I remain......your most humble servant.....

Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30C
CDSOA #1
Nautical Traditions Officer

Well said Capt. Dave,

I guess its the great stresses that are visited upon all seafaring men. It can be tough! "He who goes to sea for a pastime would go to hell for his pleasure" (Samuel Johnson). As you said, Cape Dory captains have alot of hard bark on them. Once Capt DeMers "decompresses" I'm sure he'll be back in good order. After all, all us northern sailors have to start formulating our plans of attack for all those problems we're leaving until next spring. We need to run those plans by the Capt from Wisconsin before we dare open up the tool box!

Warren Kaplan
S/V Sine Qua Non
CD27 #166



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[warren moore]

Since I made the original posting about electronics on board I feel bad about stirring up a hornets nest. What prompted that posting was a trip to Sears last week and I noticed a warning on some electrical equipment about exposure to cold weather. Made me think about the radio on board hence my question. I have gained so much from this board over the past year or two it would be a shame to lose any of the knowledge and expertize found here. Now if someone could talk to John Vigor.....

Warren Moore
SV Crisscross CD28

Guys,
I find myself getting ticked at stupid things and acting likewise, so I need to get the mouse droppings out of my gourd before continuing. I need some time to do this..it may be as simple as letting time go by, finishing the startup of my restaurant, and getting thru Christmas in one piece!
My responses were disappointing to me when I read them after a week had past. I would be saying something to someone who treated you guys with that attitude, as you deserve better. So I will comeon back in a few weeks when my own head is in a better place.
If there is something that you want to ask me, please feel free to do so via e-mail. I'll do my best to help you.

I can't stay away from here totally, so I suspect I will lurk, checking out the issues etc. .

Larry

Here Here!!
A little spirited chat can go along way. Plus, I will definatly steer clear of that dreaded pirate of the north east and his terrible cat!

Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25

Captain DeMers,

Your wit, humor, seriousness, expertise and sometimes abrupt behavior are much appreciated by this board, if I may speak for them! Cape Dory Captains are historically tough skinned rascals, we can take it! I for one would be at a loss without your input(even if I sometimes think you go a little long in the tooth to solve something!)! Hey, if at sea long enough, we all become a little scurvy'ous (if that is a word?). I hope things in life go easy for you in the future, don't let a few wild and crazy sailor's get ya down Mate. Stay on the board, if anyone gives ya a hard time, I as Nautical Traditions Officer will rig the grate and have the bosun' have at them with the Cat-o-Nine!

A good day to you Sir, I remain......your most humble servant.....

Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30C
CDSOA #1
Nautical Traditions Officer

jeoff@optonline.com

[Mark Yashinsky]

that occurs when your Lake freeze over. Symptoms seem to be reduced by application of heat to the affected lakes along w/ proper venilation (10-20 kts). A one time application of force (travellift or crane) to the appendage is usually necessary. Keep away from dialogue w/ those from the south (that make comments about being in year round). Worse case, these symptoms should disappear by March or the first warm Spring day that launch preparations can be made.
Hang in there and get well soon.

P.S. Remember, you were giving assistance and not threating anyone, unlike others (A Torry and his Hessian friend) that have promised me a broadside w/ 10 pounders.