On haulout last week the boat was lifted out by the yard using lifting slings.The rear sling was wrongly placed causing the rudder to take the full weight of the boat.This resulted in damage to the rudder shaft tube,(it is now bent and jambed tight against the hull)
Also inspection inside the boat shows hairline cracks where the shaft enters through the hull. There also appears to be damage at the pintel and gudgen attachment. My question to the learned gentelmen of this board is: Can a new replacement rudder, pintel and gaudgen be obtained today? Also regarding the through hull packing, should this also be replaced. I'm not shure what to do about the hairline cracks.Perhaps i should have it surveyd and present his findings to the yard. Any input would be welcome........Thanks BOB P
wskyr3d@aol.com
330 Rudder Damage
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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len
Re: 330 Rudder Damage
bob
check prior threads, last winter, for more info - i am afraid you will have to have the pintle (a stainless steel post in a bronze shoe)
removed, the rudder pulled, the gudgeon (a bronze or brass tube glassed to the bottom of the rudder) fixed, the top of the rudder shaft straightened, and the cracks at the top fixed
new parts are definitely not avaiable but there should be no problem fixing the old ones
feel free to email me directly if you have other questions - i did this job last winter on my CD31 because the pintle totally loosened up and the gudgeon was deformed into an ellipse - it came out very well and i am sure you will be able to fix your boat
len
md.frel@nwh.org
check prior threads, last winter, for more info - i am afraid you will have to have the pintle (a stainless steel post in a bronze shoe)
removed, the rudder pulled, the gudgeon (a bronze or brass tube glassed to the bottom of the rudder) fixed, the top of the rudder shaft straightened, and the cracks at the top fixed
new parts are definitely not avaiable but there should be no problem fixing the old ones
feel free to email me directly if you have other questions - i did this job last winter on my CD31 because the pintle totally loosened up and the gudgeon was deformed into an ellipse - it came out very well and i am sure you will be able to fix your boat
len
md.frel@nwh.org
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Patrick Turner
Re: 330 Rudder Damage
I think for your own protection, you should find the best surveyor in your area and have him take a close look. You just want to make sure that your not only treating the local areas that appear damaged, but any surrounding areas that might have been stressed as a result and are not as easy to identify. These boats are built pretty strong and that area in particular is sturdy, So I would imagine it's a pretty localized probelm, but just to be prudent.....
Pat
patrick.t@home.com
Pat
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Bill Goldsmith
Unsolicited Advice
Bob,
I'm sure you'll get lots of help on this board in understanding the likely avenues of repair, which I would be guessing about at this point.
I know you weren't asking about the legal and insurance aspects, but that I can comment on a bit. This type of negligence makes me so mad I have to respond. All they had to do was try the wheel after just a little tension was on the slings to see if the rudder was stiff, and then move the slings. Two minutes of caution could have saved what may be thousands of dollars of damage.
I was a little concerned about your statement "Perhaps i should have it surveyd and present his findings to the yard." In my opinion you should DEFINITELY get it surveyed, but rather than merely "presenting it to the yard" I would suggest going directly to their insurance company as well.
Not knowing how reponsive the yard owners may be, and given the fact it may take a couple of weeks or more to get a survey, you may want to consider doing the following:
(1) Find out who the yard's insurance company is. Call them and make a "Third Party Claim." Be extra nice to their claims people--all they are doing is inputting the info into a computer. Their adjustor will contact you later. Get a claim number. (Don't rely on your yard to report it to their own insurer--if they delay in reporting your claim to their own insurers, they jeopardize their own coverage and you now depend on the yard's financial condition alone.)
(2) Report it to your own insurer (if you have it) and tell them you've already lodged a "third party claim" against the yard's coverage. They'll probably wish to get involved and help you pursue the yard for payment, and supply names of approved surveyors.
(3) If the yard tells you that the repairs are going to be within the yard's deductible, so be it, but DO NOT allow the insurers or the yard to "close the claim" until you are satisfied after: (1) an **independent** surveyor has made his report. Use your own trusted surveyor, even if the yard's insurer surveys the boat separately. (The yard or its insurer should pay your surveyor). (2) The repairs are done to the surveyor's liking, and (3) the boat has passed rigourous sea trials.
Sorry for your trouble, but I can say that early aggressive action on your part will ensure your squeaky wheel gets the grease.
All the best
Bill Goldsmith
CD27 #173
Second Chance
goldy@bestweb.net
I'm sure you'll get lots of help on this board in understanding the likely avenues of repair, which I would be guessing about at this point.
I know you weren't asking about the legal and insurance aspects, but that I can comment on a bit. This type of negligence makes me so mad I have to respond. All they had to do was try the wheel after just a little tension was on the slings to see if the rudder was stiff, and then move the slings. Two minutes of caution could have saved what may be thousands of dollars of damage.
I was a little concerned about your statement "Perhaps i should have it surveyd and present his findings to the yard." In my opinion you should DEFINITELY get it surveyed, but rather than merely "presenting it to the yard" I would suggest going directly to their insurance company as well.
Not knowing how reponsive the yard owners may be, and given the fact it may take a couple of weeks or more to get a survey, you may want to consider doing the following:
(1) Find out who the yard's insurance company is. Call them and make a "Third Party Claim." Be extra nice to their claims people--all they are doing is inputting the info into a computer. Their adjustor will contact you later. Get a claim number. (Don't rely on your yard to report it to their own insurer--if they delay in reporting your claim to their own insurers, they jeopardize their own coverage and you now depend on the yard's financial condition alone.)
(2) Report it to your own insurer (if you have it) and tell them you've already lodged a "third party claim" against the yard's coverage. They'll probably wish to get involved and help you pursue the yard for payment, and supply names of approved surveyors.
(3) If the yard tells you that the repairs are going to be within the yard's deductible, so be it, but DO NOT allow the insurers or the yard to "close the claim" until you are satisfied after: (1) an **independent** surveyor has made his report. Use your own trusted surveyor, even if the yard's insurer surveys the boat separately. (The yard or its insurer should pay your surveyor). (2) The repairs are done to the surveyor's liking, and (3) the boat has passed rigourous sea trials.
Sorry for your trouble, but I can say that early aggressive action on your part will ensure your squeaky wheel gets the grease.
All the best
Bill Goldsmith
CD27 #173
Second Chance
Robert M Paterson wrote: On haulout last week the boat was lifted out by the yard using lifting slings.The rear sling was wrongly placed causing the rudder to take the full weight of the boat.This resulted in damage to the rudder shaft tube,(it is now bent and jambed tight against the hull)
Also inspection inside the boat shows hairline cracks where the shaft enters through the hull. There also appears to be damage at the pintel and gudgen attachment. My question to the learned gentelmen of this board is: Can a new replacement rudder, pintel and gaudgen be obtained today? Also regarding the through hull packing, should this also be replaced. I'm not shure what to do about the hairline cracks. Any input would be welcome........Thanks BOB P
goldy@bestweb.net
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Mark Yashinsky
Re: Unsolicited Advice (more of)
And remember in the future, it's not THEIR boat they have on the crane, its yours and you must be happy on how they are doing their job on YOUR boat. After all, you are paying them, right???
FYI, I understand many will make a notation in some owners manual on the boat, the lifting points. Makes it easier to remember, many months down the sealane.
FYI, I understand many will make a notation in some owners manual on the boat, the lifting points. Makes it easier to remember, many months down the sealane.
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Ed Haley
Re: Unsolicited Advice
Absolutely sound advice! Go with an independent marine surveyor. Do not rely solely on the marina's insurance surveyor. It's not that they're disreputable. It's just that their primary concern is the bottom line not the care and feeding of your beloved sailboat. An independent surveyor will find each and every possible point of damage that occurred or labor necessary to affect a repair to make your boat whole again to YOUR satisfaction. You need the peace of mind that the restoration was completed with your safety and consideration in mind.
eghaley@twcny.rr.com
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