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I have experience with the Micron Extra (not biolux) and the Petit Trinidad SR. I personally prefer the Micron ablative as it is multiseason and does not require major stripdown reapplication. It is very effective here in New England.
The Trinidad SR is an excellant keep your boat in the water 2 seasons paint. However with any hard epoxy much sanding and stripdown/reapplication is in order. If an ablative has been applied previously you will be sanding down to gel-coat prior to applying.
Your choice will be based on locale (fresh/salt water- temperate/tropical)and the amount of labor you wish to perform. Practical sailor has run some tests on bottom paints. You may wish to look up the results at your local library.
You need to know what's already on Sirius' bottom. Some paints aren't compatible with others. You'll need to use a compatible paint otherwise you'll have to totally remove the current bottom paint before applying the new, incompatible paint. For what it's worth, we've been using the Micron CSC Extra with very good results.
Frank:
I removed about 20-years of various bottom paints from my newly purchased CD25d this past spring. I then applied the neccesary coats of Interlux Micron Extra with Biolux. Practiacal Sailor rated it very high, and so far, I'm very impressed. By this time of the season most boats in our marina have developed the green beard along the waterline, but not my Cape Dory. I usually dive under and hand clean the hull in the middle of the season, but not this year. I'm actually looking forward to the fall haul out to see if the entire bottom is as good as it appears. It was a bit pricey. ($159.00 West Marine) But worth the extra cost. Also it went on very nicely, didn't flash too fast, and you'll like the red. It looks stunning next to the brown boot stripe.
By the way I sail in salt water just south of Boston. Also, you get multi-season coverage. Hope this helps.
Frank:
I removed about 20-years of various bottom paints from my newly purchased CD25d this past spring. I then applied the neccesary coats of Interlux Micron Extra with Biolux. Practiacal Sailor rated it very high, and so far, I'm very impressed. By this time of the season most boats in our marina have developed the green beard along the waterline, but not my Cape Dory. I usually dive under and hand clean the hull in the middle of the season, but not this year. I'm actually looking forward to the fall haul out to see if the entire bottom is as good as it appears. It was a bit pricey. ($159.00 West Marine) But worth the extra cost. Also it went on very nicely, didn't flash too fast, and you'll like the red. It looks stunning next to the brown boot stripe.
By the way I sail in salt water just south of Boston. Also, you get multi-season coverage. Hope this helps.
This is sort of off the subject but it does have to do with bottom painting. At least here on Long Island (NY) the yard I used this last winter and the new yard I'm using this coming winter expressly forbids the owner applying bottom paint him/herself due to EPA rules. The yard is the only one allowed to apply the paint. I know the law requires putting a tarp on the ground and collecting all the old paint and any new so it doesn't wash into the ground. Are all of you more or less running into this requirement? Also, last year's bottom painting, although adequate, left much to be desired as far as I'm concerned. I think the last thing any of us want to do is argue with the yard guys any more than necessary when they are also the guys who run your marina and are the ones who you have to call on in an emergency to haul and fix your boat. I'm not happy about it but I think I have no choice and will have to live with it.
This sounds suspicious to me. I would think the regulations would be around how to apply the paint/protect the ground and water, not around who does that application. I suspect your yard is using this as an excuse to get more work. I suppose they are the ones who face fines, but I suspect that it's not in the law that they HAVE to do the work.
Eric
Warren Kaplan wrote: This is sort of off the subject but it does have to do with bottom painting. At least here on Long Island (NY) the yard I used this last winter and the new yard I'm using this coming winter expressly forbids the owner applying bottom paint him/herself due to EPA rules. The yard is the only one allowed to apply the paint. I know the law requires putting a tarp on the ground and collecting all the old paint and any new so it doesn't wash into the ground. Are all of you more or less running into this requirement? Also, last year's bottom painting, although adequate, left much to be desired as far as I'm concerned. I think the last thing any of us want to do is argue with the yard guys any more than necessary when they are also the guys who run your marina and are the ones who you have to call on in an emergency to haul and fix your boat. I'm not happy about it but I think I have no choice and will have to live with it.
Frank,
My vote is for the Petit Trinidad SR. I've used Petit Trinidad starting with my first sailboat in 95' and haulout each spring. We keep our vessels in the water and sail year-round here, so anti-fouling and SR are big attributes! Totally pleased with the performance! Good Luck!
Full Sails & Calms Seas
Chris Schnell
s/v MADNESS III CD30 #235
Southport, NC
We are allowed to sand and paint the bottoms of our own boats. BUT, we must use a tarp, we must use a vacuum sander, we may not wet sand, and tarps and paint must be disposed of properly.
Warren Kaplan wrote: This is sort of off the subject but it does have to do with bottom painting. At least here on Long Island (NY) the yard I used this last winter and the new yard I'm using this coming winter expressly forbids the owner applying bottom paint him/herself due to EPA rules. The yard is the only one allowed to apply the paint. I know the law requires putting a tarp on the ground and collecting all the old paint and any new so it doesn't wash into the ground. Are all of you more or less running into this requirement? Also, last year's bottom painting, although adequate, left much to be desired as far as I'm concerned. I think the last thing any of us want to do is argue with the yard guys any more than necessary when they are also the guys who run your marina and are the ones who you have to call on in an emergency to haul and fix your boat. I'm not happy about it but I think I have no choice and will have to live with it.
My yard, Herrington Harbour North in Deale, MD, allows owners to do this work themselves with one express condition -- you have to use a Dustless Sander. I imagine there are other "collection" requirements similar to the ones you mentioned, but dustless sanding is the big one here.
Apparently this is a Federal Stormwater Management plan requirement. HHN accomodates DIYs by renting dustless sanders at a reasonable hourly rate.
Here is another good example of some idiot in Washington coming up with regulations that are supposed to protect the environment but only cost taxpayers more money.
THINK about it. Once you have sanded the bottom with a vacuum sander, caught all droppings with a tarp, and disposed of the waste so as to protect the storm water, have you really done so? The next thing you do after the above is apply a fresh coat of bottom paint to the vessel and launch her within two days to preserve the "deadliness" of the bottom paint! ! ! Oh, yeh, this makes a LOT of sense!!
Comments appreciated, I remain....your most HUMBLE servant.....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30C "#1"
Captain Stump,
Desparate men are driven to desparate actions. One of the reasons I'm moving my boat from the south shore of Long Island to Long Island Sound is so my little CD27 can wrest the title of #1 from you in next year's race. I have taken an oath that this winter I will modify Sine Qua Non for maximum speed. All sails will visit the sailmaker during the long winter and come back to me akin to greased lightning. Standing rigging will be tuned to a fever pitch. Am I beginning to get you a little worried? Having some yard kid slop on the blue bottom paint "du jour" is simply impermissable if I want speed. I think I'll have to pay the kid off. Then slip over the fence some night and paint Sine Qua Non with some racing paint. All will be ready to meet the challange. All, but one small but vital variable. My crew! My crew is my wife and though I love her dearly she is not one to "nip along smartly" when tacking or doing any other maneuver where speed is of the essence. I'll have to work on that!
Warren Kaplan
CD27 Sine Qua Non
Soon to be faster than a speeding bullet!
I would think that the regs are to protect the groundwater, not the seawater. And as Eric surmised, the law probably does not prohibit the owner from doing the painting. Unless the law mandates that only a "properly licensed operator" shall paint, so the government has someone to sue if they don't follow the rules.
I agree, if the bottom paint is supposed to kill marine growth, how can it be environmentally safe?? Ah, the good old days, when Petit bragged about how their paint had 30% more Cuprous Oxide than the competition. They didn't need to say "poison" -- we knew what they meant! I hate to think about how much brown dust I inhaled .. the good news is, no barnacles have been found in my lungs since 1974. I used to sneeze Woolsey's Neptune for days.
I hope the PETA folks don't have a thing for green slime. If they do, let them come and kiss my waterline!
I have used MICRON CSC and MICRON Extra on my 38' Trawler and now on my CD 28 power cruiser. We boat in the Chesapeake Bay and this is a wonderful multi season paint. It will go over almost all other paint, but, you should put 3 coats on the first time. I would put a different color on for the first coat then use your favorite color for the next 2 coats. This will tell you when to re-apply. Good luck with whatever you use.
FranK B
HUNKY DORY
Frank Vernet wrote: Hi Everyone,
I need to select an antifouling paint as part of the undergoing rehab on Sirius (CD33 #84). Here are my choices:
1. KL 990 Komposition (Nautical Industries (Interlux)) - ablative
copolymer
2. Interlux Micron Extra with Biolux - ablative copolymer w/ slime
reduction (I like the sound of slime reduction!)
3. Pettit Trinidad SR - hard epoxy with slime reduction
4. Sea Hawk Cukote - ablative copolymer
All come in the appropriate color (red). #2, 3 & 4 are within $1/ft of each other. #1 is much cheaper.
Appreciate all comments and suggestions. See you on the water...next season
Sure, and read your post this instant last. In all honesty, Hanalei and her crew are a thinkin' that next year may be somethin' else to see! There will be skippers requiring that their crews work double tides to get their vessels in order, the grate will be rigged frequently! Money for the best spars and sails will not be an object.
Captain, I understand your consternation with your crew, as Hanalei is in the same position. BUT, and this is a significant BUT, once crew saw that Hanalei was going to cross the line first, all complaints stopped! There was no talk about sails blowin' out of their bolt ropes or the extreme angle of heel. When she was asked to get on the VHF and hail the committee boat, there was NO argument! She HATES to speak on the radio! But, once she was "into it" everything changed! Can a 27 walk a 30? This Captain thinks so. If the entire fleet had followed Hanalei to the Island of Adrian Block(and the tack to the Rhode Island shore), it would have been a very close finish for the entire fleet. That pursuit start was great! Can you imagine the entire fleet crossing the line at the same time? Would the hail "Give Way" be heard often?
Yes Sir, Hanalei is watching with some degree of trepidation the preparations of the fleet for nest year...I remain Sir...you most HUMBLE servant......
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30C "#1"
