Am I doing something wrong? I've tried sailing with Genoa only & could not get the boat to sail upwind. Had alot of leeward helm too. Is this because of the 7/8 setup?
Chris
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Genny only on Ty
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Harris
Re: Genny only on Ty
The Typhoon is based on a timeless older design concept, Low aspect sailplan and underbody.......basically a mainsail driven boats. If you notice the more modern appearing, high aspect boats have the mast propotionaltely furthur aft on the boat and a higher mast in relationship to the lenght of the boom. That layout combined with a fin keel is more based around speed upwind and the headsail drives the boat......with less overlap than on your ty. These are the boats that you see sailing upwind on genoa alone in heavy air. It simply cant be done on most CapeDorys. The tradeoff is that you can sail on all points of sail on mainsail alone......and its also easier to handle a proportionatly smaller headsail.
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Anthony P. Jeske
Re: Genny only on Ty
Chris:
I think most owners will agree that Cape Dorys don't sail well under main sail only or jib only. The boats need both sails to perform well. This means as the winds increase, you need to reef the main and/or go to a smaller jib, but continue to sail with both sails.
Regards,
Tony Jeske
CD-25D #141 Carpe Diem
San Diego
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I think most owners will agree that Cape Dorys don't sail well under main sail only or jib only. The boats need both sails to perform well. This means as the winds increase, you need to reef the main and/or go to a smaller jib, but continue to sail with both sails.
Regards,
Tony Jeske
CD-25D #141 Carpe Diem
San Diego
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Bob B
Re: Genny only on Ty
Chris,
Read your post yesterday so went out today and did some experimenting. I sailed under reefed main alone, main and jib and also under jib alone all on an older version typhoon. I had the working jib up in that I had a bit of breeze and didn't want to overpower with the genoa. When sailing on a close reach the best performance came from main and jib. She wouldn't round up from the close reach and come into the wind. I could bear off and increase the speed and then come about through the wind with the momentum but it wouldn't come around unless, I bore off some first. When it came to running, I just dropped the main and ended some of the seesawing effect. The jib lifts the bow some and overtakes teh swells fairly well also.
As to balance of the boat with regard to weather or lee helm, play with your boat. See what different sail combinations do to the balance when under different wind conditions. Try sailing it without doing much with the tiller and see if you can use sheet tension to keep it going straight. It is a challenge and you need a steady breeze with the right sails set. If you have a knotmeter or GPS use it to tell you when to shake a reef out or whether to reef. If you are well heeled with max hull speed, you are probably wasting energy on the heel. Like has been said, you don't need to have the rail in the water to get the most out of your boat.
Enjoy playing with your boat and learning its personality.
Bob B. Capt.
CD Typhoon, Oblivion
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Read your post yesterday so went out today and did some experimenting. I sailed under reefed main alone, main and jib and also under jib alone all on an older version typhoon. I had the working jib up in that I had a bit of breeze and didn't want to overpower with the genoa. When sailing on a close reach the best performance came from main and jib. She wouldn't round up from the close reach and come into the wind. I could bear off and increase the speed and then come about through the wind with the momentum but it wouldn't come around unless, I bore off some first. When it came to running, I just dropped the main and ended some of the seesawing effect. The jib lifts the bow some and overtakes teh swells fairly well also.
As to balance of the boat with regard to weather or lee helm, play with your boat. See what different sail combinations do to the balance when under different wind conditions. Try sailing it without doing much with the tiller and see if you can use sheet tension to keep it going straight. It is a challenge and you need a steady breeze with the right sails set. If you have a knotmeter or GPS use it to tell you when to shake a reef out or whether to reef. If you are well heeled with max hull speed, you are probably wasting energy on the heel. Like has been said, you don't need to have the rail in the water to get the most out of your boat.
Enjoy playing with your boat and learning its personality.
Bob B. Capt.
CD Typhoon, Oblivion
BundyR@aol.com
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Marino Curati
Re: Genny only on Ty
I agree with the yawing effect of genoa only sailing. I was soloing last week and when I raised the main, I found that I had a slug upside down. So I raised the genoa instead and sailed off on a close reach. This allowed me to leave the tiller and address the problem. However, the boat will roll tack if you put your weight on the leeward side. Another trick is to leave the engine on low throttle. This seems to stabilize the boat while you leave the tiller and reduces the yawing.
Marino Curati
Ty #74 Snug
Cleveland
Marino Curati
Ty #74 Snug
Cleveland