Sandbags:
I can't seem to locate L.DeMers old post about the sandbags he put
forward. I was wondering how much weight.
Curtains:
I needed to replace the curtains on my 30 due to dry rot. East Coast Embroidery had OEM curtains w/logo for $260. Too much for me. I had sail covers made from Sunbrella Brass, got some extra to have my wonderful old grandma make curtains and it worked perfectly. I couldn't be happier with the results. Here's the kicker...as I was taking the old curtains apart to see how they were constructed I found that the 'embroidered' CD half-hull logo was not actually embroidered at all, but GLUED on. Imagine my happiness as I easily pried each of them off and glued them back on my new curtains when complete. A job well done...and NO, my grandma will not make your curtains.
Jim Adams
Lauren Leigh
CD30 Houston, TX
jamespadams@yahoo.com
Sandbags & Save Big $$ on Curtains w/logo
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Ken Coit
Re: Sandbags & Save Big $$ on Curtains w/logo
Jim,
240 to 280# depending on how much the bags really weigh. The link is below.
Ken
parfait@nc.rr.com
240 to 280# depending on how much the bags really weigh. The link is below.
Ken
Jim Adams wrote: Sandbags:
I can't seem to locate L.DeMers old post about the sandbags he put
forward. I was wondering how much weight.
Curtains:
I needed to replace the curtains on my 30 due to dry rot. East Coast Embroidery had OEM curtains w/logo for $260. Too much for me. I had sail covers made from Sunbrella Brass, got some extra to have my wonderful old grandma make curtains and it worked perfectly. I couldn't be happier with the results. Here's the kicker...as I was taking the old curtains apart to see how they were constructed I found that the 'embroidered' CD half-hull logo was not actually embroidered at all, but GLUED on. Imagine my happiness as I easily pried each of them off and glued them back on my new curtains when complete. A job well done...and NO, my grandma will not make your curtains.
Jim Adams
Lauren Leigh
CD30 Houston, TX
parfait@nc.rr.com
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John R.
Re: Sandbags & Save Big $$ on Curtains w/logo
I think you might want to reconsider sand bags, what a mess if they were to break open.You might consider just adding additional chain (or increase it's link size) to your rode or adding a second rode with chain to gain weight but I'd be careful about weighing down the bow intentionally, you want the ends light.
Ken Coit wrote: Jim,
240 to 280# depending on how much the bags really weigh. The link is below.
Ken
Jim Adams wrote: Sandbags:
I can't seem to locate L.DeMers old post about the sandbags he put
forward. I was wondering how much weight.
Curtains:
I needed to replace the curtains on my 30 due to dry rot. East Coast Embroidery had OEM curtains w/logo for $260. Too much for me. I had sail covers made from Sunbrella Brass, got some extra to have my wonderful old grandma make curtains and it worked perfectly. I couldn't be happier with the results. Here's the kicker...as I was taking the old curtains apart to see how they were constructed I found that the 'embroidered' CD half-hull logo was not actually embroidered at all, but GLUED on. Imagine my happiness as I easily pried each of them off and glued them back on my new curtains when complete. A job well done...and NO, my grandma will not make your curtains.
Jim Adams
Lauren Leigh
CD30 Houston, TX
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Larry DeMers
Re: Sandbags & Save Big $$ on Curtains w/logo
John,
After using the sandbags for 2 years now, I can report there is only one downside..they tend to gather moisture even though the bags I had were double lined aginst this..with a plastic inner liner. The moisture could grow mildew slowly if bad enough, although we had none. We consequently sprayed a clorox bleach/soap combination on the bags every month or so as a preventative for mildew gathering there.
As far as the weight being too far forward, John it resides in the same area you put your airconditioning compressor, and that is far enough back from the bows to have sufficient 'flotation' in the beam of the craft to prevent hobby-horsing due to a weight in the bows section.
For our 3 week trip, we pulled the bags out entirely (dumped the sand, and kept the bags for reuse) and put in 300 lbs of canned goods in the two stowage areas in the v berth (the circular cutout areas). We are about 1 inch above our waterline, but evenly above it bow to stern, which is the whole purpose and desire of readjusting the ballast like this.
Believe me..this method works, and the benefits vs. cost are remarkable. Chain would work fine also, in place of the sand bags. But the cost is extraordinarily high for no real reason. Just be sure that the sand bags have an internal plastic layer inside the nylon cover. I paid about $1.88 each for these at the local building supply house. 300 lb. of chain..even used chain would be a lot more expensive me thinks. It would also tend to move around more than the sandbags do. The molded in area in the CD30 fits the sandbags like it was made for it. We saw *no* evidence of movement at all, after 2 years use.
On DeLaMer, we installed golf cart batteries under the vberth, which directly replaced 2 of the existing sand bags ..one per battery as they were the same weight (68 lbs.each). So the two remaining sand bags went in the stowage area under the port and starboard vberth areas..the circular aperture stowage area, until we stowed our canned goods there for this trip, which replaced those two sand bags entirely.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 ~~~Sailing Lake Superior~~~
demers@sgi.com
After using the sandbags for 2 years now, I can report there is only one downside..they tend to gather moisture even though the bags I had were double lined aginst this..with a plastic inner liner. The moisture could grow mildew slowly if bad enough, although we had none. We consequently sprayed a clorox bleach/soap combination on the bags every month or so as a preventative for mildew gathering there.
As far as the weight being too far forward, John it resides in the same area you put your airconditioning compressor, and that is far enough back from the bows to have sufficient 'flotation' in the beam of the craft to prevent hobby-horsing due to a weight in the bows section.
For our 3 week trip, we pulled the bags out entirely (dumped the sand, and kept the bags for reuse) and put in 300 lbs of canned goods in the two stowage areas in the v berth (the circular cutout areas). We are about 1 inch above our waterline, but evenly above it bow to stern, which is the whole purpose and desire of readjusting the ballast like this.
Believe me..this method works, and the benefits vs. cost are remarkable. Chain would work fine also, in place of the sand bags. But the cost is extraordinarily high for no real reason. Just be sure that the sand bags have an internal plastic layer inside the nylon cover. I paid about $1.88 each for these at the local building supply house. 300 lb. of chain..even used chain would be a lot more expensive me thinks. It would also tend to move around more than the sandbags do. The molded in area in the CD30 fits the sandbags like it was made for it. We saw *no* evidence of movement at all, after 2 years use.
On DeLaMer, we installed golf cart batteries under the vberth, which directly replaced 2 of the existing sand bags ..one per battery as they were the same weight (68 lbs.each). So the two remaining sand bags went in the stowage area under the port and starboard vberth areas..the circular aperture stowage area, until we stowed our canned goods there for this trip, which replaced those two sand bags entirely.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 ~~~Sailing Lake Superior~~~
John R. wrote: I think you might want to reconsider sand bags, what a mess if they were to break open.You might consider just adding additional chain (or increase it's link size) to your rode or adding a second rode with chain to gain weight but I'd be careful about weighing down the bow intentionally, you want the ends light.
Ken Coit wrote: Jim,
240 to 280# depending on how much the bags really weigh. The link is below.
Ken
Jim Adams wrote: Sandbags:
I can't seem to locate L.DeMers old post about the sandbags he put
forward. I was wondering how much weight.
Curtains:
I needed to replace the curtains on my 30 due to dry rot. East Coast Embroidery had OEM curtains w/logo for $260. Too much for me. I had sail covers made from Sunbrella Brass, got some extra to have my wonderful old grandma make curtains and it worked perfectly. I couldn't be happier with the results. Here's the kicker...as I was taking the old curtains apart to see how they were constructed I found that the 'embroidered' CD half-hull logo was not actually embroidered at all, but GLUED on. Imagine my happiness as I easily pried each of them off and glued them back on my new curtains when complete. A job well done...and NO, my grandma will not make your curtains.
Jim Adams
Lauren Leigh
CD30 Houston, TX
demers@sgi.com
-
John R.
Re: Sandbags & Save Big $$ on Curtains w/logo
Hi Larry,
Welcome back.......
Just a couple follow up comments regarding the weight and bags. I consider the ends to be .25 the length of the boat from each end. Maybe a naval architect sees that as too much to be considered an "end", I don't know. Anyway, using what I call the area of the ends it would equate to about 7.5' on the CD30. My air conditioning unit that as you know is located in the same position where you place the sand bags but my A/C unit only weighs 45#. That's only 1/6th the weight you say you place there. That 300# is a lot of weight and it really surprises me you need that kind of ballast shift. I've never had that problem on our 30 and both our 30's are the same year. I wonder what is making the difference of 250#.
Granted, the cost of 300# of chain would be significantly higher than sand but it would provide a far more useful purpose I think. Chain doesn't move around as much as you might think, especially BBB links. It stacks and nestles in a rather secure heap. My greatest concern about sand bags is what would be the result if things got rough and some how or in some way the bags became punctured or torn. Sand goes everywhere. That certainly would not be a good situation. Too bad you can't find something like lead pigs or similar that you could install under the liner in that area if you really need that weight. Maybe there is just too much weight aft somewhere.
Welcome back.......
Just a couple follow up comments regarding the weight and bags. I consider the ends to be .25 the length of the boat from each end. Maybe a naval architect sees that as too much to be considered an "end", I don't know. Anyway, using what I call the area of the ends it would equate to about 7.5' on the CD30. My air conditioning unit that as you know is located in the same position where you place the sand bags but my A/C unit only weighs 45#. That's only 1/6th the weight you say you place there. That 300# is a lot of weight and it really surprises me you need that kind of ballast shift. I've never had that problem on our 30 and both our 30's are the same year. I wonder what is making the difference of 250#.
Granted, the cost of 300# of chain would be significantly higher than sand but it would provide a far more useful purpose I think. Chain doesn't move around as much as you might think, especially BBB links. It stacks and nestles in a rather secure heap. My greatest concern about sand bags is what would be the result if things got rough and some how or in some way the bags became punctured or torn. Sand goes everywhere. That certainly would not be a good situation. Too bad you can't find something like lead pigs or similar that you could install under the liner in that area if you really need that weight. Maybe there is just too much weight aft somewhere.
Larry DeMers wrote: John,
After using the sandbags for 2 years now, I can report there is only one downside..they tend to gather moisture even though the bags I had were double lined aginst this..with a plastic inner liner. The moisture could grow mildew slowly if bad enough, although we had none. We consequently sprayed a clorox bleach/soap combination on the bags every month or so as a preventative for mildew gathering there.
As far as the weight being too far forward, John it resides in the same area you put your airconditioning compressor, and that is far enough back from the bows to have sufficient 'flotation' in the beam of the craft to prevent hobby-horsing due to a weight in the bows section.
For our 3 week trip, we pulled the bags out entirely (dumped the sand, and kept the bags for reuse) and put in 300 lbs of canned goods in the two stowage areas in the v berth (the circular cutout areas). We are about 1 inch above our waterline, but evenly above it bow to stern, which is the whole purpose and desire of readjusting the ballast like this.
Believe me..this method works, and the benefits vs. cost are remarkable. Chain would work fine also, in place of the sand bags. But the cost is extraordinarily high for no real reason. Just be sure that the sand bags have an internal plastic layer inside the nylon cover. I paid about $1.88 each for these at the local building supply house. 300 lb. of chain..even used chain would be a lot more expensive me thinks. It would also tend to move around more than the sandbags do. The molded in area in the CD30 fits the sandbags like it was made for it. We saw *no* evidence of movement at all, after 2 years use.
On DeLaMer, we installed golf cart batteries under the vberth, which directly replaced 2 of the existing sand bags ..one per battery as they were the same weight (68 lbs.each). So the two remaining sand bags went in the stowage area under the port and starboard vberth areas..the circular aperture stowage area, until we stowed our canned goods there for this trip, which replaced those two sand bags entirely.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 ~~~Sailing Lake Superior~~~
John R. wrote: I think you might want to reconsider sand bags, what a mess if they were to break open.You might consider just adding additional chain (or increase it's link size) to your rode or adding a second rode with chain to gain weight but I'd be careful about weighing down the bow intentionally, you want the ends light.
Ken Coit wrote: Jim,
240 to 280# depending on how much the bags really weigh. The link is below.
Ken
-
Larry DeMers
Re: Sandbags..
Hi John,
I have no idea why Cape Dory built so many of our boats with a weight balance problem, but it is a fact that they did. Every single CD30 I have seen is heavy by the stern to some extent. It depends on how heavily loaded they are in general, I agree. Mine was almost stripped when we bought her, and I look at the old VHS tapes of our delivery, and she sat low right at launching. Nothing in the lazarettes but fuel, alcohol and two group 24's. at that time..
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30
demers@sgi.com
Thanks..was a fun trip.John R. wrote: Hi Larry,
Welcome back.......
I just use my eye and the boats response to waves as she enters a wave. I notice where the bow lifts least, and where it increases as the bow widens. The weight is actually 270 lbs. and it is what was needed to get the boat on her lines. I have helped perhaps 20 people do this to thier CD30's now..and all have reported good results. THe area where the sand bags go is a totaly finished off area, with no rought edges at all. The bags are trapped 100% in their location..on all four sides. The bags do not move pure and simple. there is just no room for them to do so.John R. wrote: Just a couple follow up comments regarding the weight and bags. I consider the ends to be .25 the length of the boat from each end.
We have been in some rough seas, most recently, a 15 hr. crossing of the lake with 7-9 fters on the port quarter. No, I would assure you that they will not move. If there were a possible way they could move, the captain needs to place a reinforecemnt there to prevent it of course. Chain would be great if you needed it for anchoring or spare anchor gear for instance, and I would be the first to toss the sand out in favor of something that would be useful. I carry 30 ft. of chain on both the primary CQR and the secondary Danforth, soon to be Fortress. So I have no need of more chain, whereas I can take on the sand now, then jettison it later when I need the space for stowage, as we did on this trip (I have no sand aboard now at all..but will when the canned goods are removed).John R. wrote: Granted, the cost of 300# of chain would be significantly higher than sand but it would provide a far more useful purpose I think. Chain doesn't move around as much as you might think, especially BBB links. It stacks and nestles in a rather secure heap. My greatest concern about sand bags is what would be the result if things got rough and some how or in some way the bags became punctured or torn.
I have no idea why Cape Dory built so many of our boats with a weight balance problem, but it is a fact that they did. Every single CD30 I have seen is heavy by the stern to some extent. It depends on how heavily loaded they are in general, I agree. Mine was almost stripped when we bought her, and I look at the old VHS tapes of our delivery, and she sat low right at launching. Nothing in the lazarettes but fuel, alcohol and two group 24's. at that time..
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30
demers@sgi.com