Tom,
As others have mentioned before me, you need to have some "tug" from the front of the boat to pull it through the wind; that "tug" comes from a headsail of some kind. The Main is supposesd to be the most powerful sail on board, but I have found it's the headsails that give a boat "drive". The kind of drive you need to punch through messy seas and pull the boat through the wind when tacking. It doesn't take much when the winds are up, but you have to have something. You did all the right things considering, now just go out and do it again....armed with all the good information from people on this board. These boats....as I think you'll find....really like some headsail. The further off the wind you sail, the more you want to shift the center of effort forward.
PT
patrick.t@home.com
Heavy winds and seas-HELP
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: Yes, but he didn't want to...
Cathy,
I agree, a controlled jibe isn't a bad thing. Another thing he could try, and I've never done this with a CD, is to "box haul" her! Head up, hang her in irons, back the sails, the boat will sail backwards, as she gathers sternway, steer her onto the new tack. Hey, I'm going out in a few hours, new, neat things to try!!!
Dave
P.S. Sent a E-mail to Ruth MacDonald, and she got it just fine?????
I agree, a controlled jibe isn't a bad thing. Another thing he could try, and I've never done this with a CD, is to "box haul" her! Head up, hang her in irons, back the sails, the boat will sail backwards, as she gathers sternway, steer her onto the new tack. Hey, I'm going out in a few hours, new, neat things to try!!!
Dave
P.S. Sent a E-mail to Ruth MacDonald, and she got it just fine?????
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: 70 Knots!!
Len,
Yes, I have had her up that fast, in 25 knot wind, the potential is for five times the speed of the wind, that would be 125 knots(the other skippers think I am absolutely crazy, not true!). At that speed I believe the boat would come apart in a shower of splinters, (she is all wood)have never done that. It's bad enough at 70 knots to watch the entire length of the hull flex to the wind.
By the way, at speeds above about 50 knots, you can actually see waves in the ice. It looks flat, but really isn't. It's a hoot, if you've never ridden an iceboat, find out were your local DN-60 fleet is and stop by, the guys usually like to give anyone that asks, a ride.
Iceboats do tend to make 6 knots on a broad reach look a little tame, but soft water sailing is just as much fun as hard water sailing and splinters!
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
Yes, I have had her up that fast, in 25 knot wind, the potential is for five times the speed of the wind, that would be 125 knots(the other skippers think I am absolutely crazy, not true!). At that speed I believe the boat would come apart in a shower of splinters, (she is all wood)have never done that. It's bad enough at 70 knots to watch the entire length of the hull flex to the wind.
By the way, at speeds above about 50 knots, you can actually see waves in the ice. It looks flat, but really isn't. It's a hoot, if you've never ridden an iceboat, find out were your local DN-60 fleet is and stop by, the guys usually like to give anyone that asks, a ride.
Iceboats do tend to make 6 knots on a broad reach look a little tame, but soft water sailing is just as much fun as hard water sailing and splinters!
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
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Don Carr
Re: Heavy winds and seas-HELP
I concur. Masthead rigs imply power comes from the foretriangle using the main as a stabilizer. Sure you get drive from the 150 or so sqft of main but with a 135-150% genoa You are approaching 160 sq ft. Frac rig as in typhoon is a different story. I have found that by single reefing the main in winds of 18knots or over and changing from 150% to working jib in winds consistently over 20knots works well. Don't forget that depending on the weight of your genoa it has a wind rating above which you will cause permanent damage to your sail (i.e. blown out or stretched). Generally a 5.2oz genny of 150% is rated at about 22 knots sustained.
FWIW
FWIW
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david low
Re: Heavy winds and seas-HELP
The old adage....."Reef early and reef often" These boats can definitely handle the wind
davidlow@erols.com
davidlow@erols.com
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Gary McDonough
Re: Heavy winds and seas-HELP
This past Saturday it was blowing somewhere around 20+ knts. My 30 sailed great with reefed main, staysail and yankee. However, one observation which appears every windy day is the number of sailors who leave the cover on the main and fly just the jib. I just don't understand why more people don't reef. Is it too much work? A few boats I saw had only the main up. With a reef the boats sail flatter and faster with a lot less weather helm.david low wrote: The old adage....."Reef early and reef often" These boats can definitely handle the wind
Gary
garym@taxinvest.com
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Don Carr
Re: Heavy winds and seas-HELP
Gary;
I agree with you it may be a matter of not knowing how. Or I think most probably a case of the lazies..it is so much easier to just roll out the furled jib. I notice on breezy days 18+ knot days the skippers are instructing their crews on reefing, while on mooring; raising the sail and setting up at least the first reef points. Not that you will use it but reefing is one of those things that is a coordinated effort between the helmsman and the mastman unless of course you have everything set up for single handing.
carrds@us.ibm.com
I agree with you it may be a matter of not knowing how. Or I think most probably a case of the lazies..it is so much easier to just roll out the furled jib. I notice on breezy days 18+ knot days the skippers are instructing their crews on reefing, while on mooring; raising the sail and setting up at least the first reef points. Not that you will use it but reefing is one of those things that is a coordinated effort between the helmsman and the mastman unless of course you have everything set up for single handing.
carrds@us.ibm.com