CD25D dodger and stove info

[John Petrillo]

I'm planning a 2 month trip sailing up and down the coast of New England this summer, and want to outfit the boat a bit. A dodger seems required for such an extended trip, but the price is too much. Any used ones out there, or plans available to make my own? And also the alchohol stove has been out of comission for a while, and I've heard they're inefficient and dangerous. Any advice on making it work out, or alternative methods of cooking on board? Thanks



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[Neil Gordon]

I don't know if you'll find a used dodger... I've never seen one advertised. It would have to be from the same model boat. But I think you would be ok without the dodger... depends on how you intend to cruise. If you keep the hops short and watch your weather windows, you'll stay mostly dry.

For alternatives to the stove, a stern rail mounted bbq would work.


Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167



neil@nrgordon.com

[john doyle]

I don't know if you'll find a used dodger... I've never seen one advertised. It would have to be from the same model boat. But I think you would be ok without the dodger... depends on how you intend to cruise. If you keep the hops short and watch your weather windows, you'll stay mostly dry.

For alternatives to the stove, a stern rail mounted bbq would work.


Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167

I just purchased a CD31 (#018) which is in the yard for a bottom job & had a CD28 neighbor in the yard who was moving from the lake to the coast & didn't have a dodger. The dodger from the 31 fits the 28 perfectly & he is "trying" mine out. I wouldn't want to go offshore without one. First it's a great place to sit & keep dry & a little warmer & you can leave the hatch open rain or shine. Gear can be stored under it to stay dry, etc. It's one of the most valuable add on's you can get. John



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[Keith]

I don't know if you'll find a used dodger... I've never seen one advertised. It would have to be from the same model boat. But I think you would be ok without the dodger... depends on how you intend to cruise. If you keep the hops short and watch your weather windows, you'll stay mostly dry.

For alternatives to the stove, a stern rail mounted bbq would work.


Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167

I just purchased a CD31 (#018) which is in the yard for a bottom job & had a CD28 neighbor in the yard who was moving from the lake to the coast & didn't have a dodger. The dodger from the 31 fits the 28 perfectly & he is "trying" mine out. I wouldn't want to go offshore without one. First it's a great place to sit & keep dry & a little warmer & you can leave the hatch open rain or shine. Gear can be stored under it to stay dry, etc. It's one of the most valuable add on's you can get. John

My 25-D is equipped with Origo 4000 non-pressureized alcohol stove. It doesn't produce the btus of many other stoves, but it actually cooks quite well, and perhaps the safest stove on the market. I use a sternrail-mounted grill, too, but it is no substitute for a stove in the galley.

[Jon]

John,

I can't imagine a cruise without a dodger. It allows me to leave the hatch/boards open overnight and not worry about rain. This allows great ventilation on a humid night. It is also wonderful to sit under when the sun is too much. I love my dodger; it makes cruising more fun.

As for the stove, perhaps a portable single burner butane stove would do for the summer. I'm not sure if butane is heavier of lighter than air, so be careful.

See ya down-east!

Jon
s/v Sovereign

[Lou Ostendorff]

Hi John;
I too have a CD25D. It came with a dodger and zip-on Bimini made out of "Cape Dory Brown" Sunbrella. The dodger has nice, strong 1" stainless tubing mounted on the cabin top which I take off and store below when leaving KARMA in her slip. The dodger is well worth the money you might have to spend to get one made for the boat; I don't know how much luck you're going to have looking for a used one, unless you find a derelict somewhere that has a frame close to what you would need; you'd still need to buy new canvas and have the whole thing fitted...why not go to a reputable shop and have them do a nice job on your little ship?

As to the alcohol stove thing, if you do a search on this board for "Kenyon", or "stove replacement" or "alcohol", you'll get more information than you bargained for...essentially, alcohol is a poor source for heat when compared to modern cooking fuels like propane, butane, or gasoline or kerosene. Each of these alternatives, however, comes with its own set of problems... from what I've read, not many sailors 'like' their alcohol stoves, they 'tolerate' the low, slow, heat because it's supposed to be safer. Boats have caught fire, however, with alcohol flair-ups, they just didn't explode, as might be the case with heavier than air gasses that might collect in the bilge. I've wrestled with this same problem. You can make an almost direct replacement of the old Kenyon with an Origo model 4000 drop-in stove; some slight cutting and fitting is required, along with the $350 price tag. This model eliminates the pressurization required of the Kenyon model and is supposed to be quite reliable and safe (no flare-ups). But you still have the low heat problem. Most modern yachts sold today come with a propane stove; this requires a separate propane locker vented to the outside above sealevel, and an electric solenoid switch to control gas flow on and off. On the 25D, there is not a lot of room to add a propane locker; my port lazarette is already full, and the starboard lazarette is small with poor access. My temporary solution to the stove problem was to obtain a portable butane stove like the Kenyon Express; another similar model is the Glowmate, I believe. They both operate on a small butane 'can' or cylinder which you can remove when not in use, so you don't have a gas leak or accumulation problem. It's only one burner, and heat regulation is basically 'hot' and 'real hot', but it throws out about twice the BTUs and gets that long awaited meal 'cookin'! I've toyed with the idea of mounting the stove permanently in the existing space, maybe with a small cutting board on the side...until then, it's portable and can be moved out of the way when not in use. I mentioned gasoline and kerosene fuels only because I used these in an outdoor camping environment, and they throw out plenty of heat, but are not really safe in an enclosed environment like a boat. Gasoline is especially dangerous because it can form an explosive atmosphere so quickly. A kerosene stove is safer from an explosion standpoint because of the heavier, oily consistency. You could also use diesel fuel in a pinch, although it might smoke up the cabin!

Sorry about the rambling, but the subject is one that many of us have thought about and delt with in a variety of different ways. Hope some of this information helps.

Lou Ostendorff
s/v KARMA
CD25D #63



louosten@ipass.net

[Richard Stanley]

I'm planning a 2 month trip sailing up and down the coast of New England this summer, and want to outfit the boat a bit. A dodger seems required for such an extended trip, but the price is too much. Any used ones out there, or plans available to make my own? And also the alchohol stove has been out of comission for a while, and I've heard they're inefficient and dangerous. Any advice on making it work out, or alternative methods of cooking on board? Thanks

Regarding the dodger-I certainly concur with those who said get a dodger. I cannot imagine my boat without one. I spend a lot of time sheltered in its comfort and warmth.

On to the stove issue-I have a Taylor kerosene stove that came on my CD33, obviously added on. While it is great, and I love it, it is a high dollar piece. The previous owner left aboard a small gimballed propane stove that mounts on a bulkhead bracket. It is removable for stowage. This thing rocks, because it is super easy to light (unlike the Taylor). It is mounted right inside the companionway so you can cook (usually warm up) from the cockpit.

I can't remember the name of it, but have seen them catalogs. It would serve, and I would highly recommend this type of stove.

Richard
S/V Nepenthes



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[Neil Gordon]

>>The previous owner left aboard a small gimballed propane stove that mounts on a bulkhead bracket. It is removable for stowage. This thing rocks, because it is super easy to light (unlike the Taylor). It is mounted right inside the companionway so you can cook (usually warm up) from the cockpit.<<

I have one on LIQUIDITY. It's called a seaway stove... really it's just a propane canister and a gimballed frame that holds either a coffee pot or a little stew pot. Mostly we use it for coffee, but the stew pot is great for soup and the like. It would work as well for pasta, rice or whatever.

It's mounted on the bulkhead and there's no reason to ever stow it.


Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167



neil@nrgordon.com

[john]

I'm planning a 2 month trip sailing up and down the coast of New England this summer, and want to outfit the boat a bit. A dodger seems required for such an extended trip, but the price is too much. Any used ones out there, or plans available to make my own? And also the alchohol stove has been out of comission for a while, and I've heard they're inefficient and dangerous. Any advice on making it work out, or alternative methods of cooking on board? Thanks

Alochol stove info. I converted an alochol stove into propane by using my propane torch for soldering copper pipes. Took a rubber hose used for auto gasoline & stuck it on the pipe for the torch & just screwed in a propane bottle when we wanted to cook. Took it off when done & stored it in the cockpit. Produeced great heat & cost almost nothing. Seems the alochol burner burned it with no problems. Spent 6 weeks cruising the Bahamas & only used to cans of propane & cooked lots of lobster.
John CD31 #18



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