Solar panel trickle charger for sailboat batteries

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Solar panel trickle charger for sailboat batteries

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I recently posted this question at the end of another thread but did not get any suggestions so I thought I would try a new post. Hopefully, this question may be of assistance to those up north who are looking for a similar "winter" set up.

S/V Bali Ha'i is currently on a trailer at home in South Florida. I had planned to do some sea cock cleaning, etc. and getting her quickly back in Biscayne Bay. However, a personal matter has kept me from doing too much right now. It looks like S/V Bali Ha'i will be on the trailer for the next several months or longer.

I would like to avoid battery issues/problems.

I am considering investing in some type of simple "trickle charger" that would be super simple to install.

I currently have the following battery bank:

Two (2) Delco Deep Cycle M27MF maintenance free AGM batteries installed November 2011. The website for Delco says the following for each battery "CCAmps 600; MCAmps 750; 95 amp/hrs".

For the past 5 years I have managed to keep the batteries charged by running the engine/alternator approximately 1x per week for 50 min/2,000 rpms. If possible, I would like to avoid having to do that for the next several months while S/V Bali Ha'i is on the trailer.

Is there a particular brand or type of trickle charger that would be recommended for my battery bank configuration :?: If possible I would like to avoid having to install a controller/regulator but will do so if necessary.

My preference is a non-permanent pad-type trickle charger solar panel versus 120v AC. In this way, when S/V Bali Ha'i is back on her mooring at the sailing club I can continue to use the trickle charger.

Thank you in advance for suggestions, advise, etc.
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Roberto, have you checked Main Sail's website. I seem to remember him saying that he stored his batteries off the boat during the winter and that they would hold a charge all winter. Do you have a voltmeter that you can check the battery voltage with. Perhaps you will not need a trickle charger.
Here is a chart that shows you the state of charge at various voltages, it is for Lead Acid Batteries, but I am sure you could google one for AGM:
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First: Size the solar panel for the expected power draw. Don't select a panel that is too small.

Second: Use a charge controller sized for the solar panel. If the batteries are connected in parallel, then only one charge controller is needed. If they are usually independent, use two charge controllers. The charge controller will properly bulk charge, trickle charge, and equalize the batteries paying for themselves by not having to replace the batteries.

Genasun (https://genasun.com/products-store/mppt ... ontrollers) makes very efficient charge controllers for small arrays.

I have used Ganz Solar panels and rigid panels from eMarine (https://www.emarineinc.com/categories/solar-panels) with good success in different setups.

Currently I have a single 100 watt nominal 12vdc rigid panel feeding two battery banks.
• The "house" battery is a group 27 12 volt deep cycle battery. It has its own Genasun GV-10 20-140W 10A Solar Charge Controller with MPPT.
• The "motive" battery bank for the Torqeedo Cruise 2.0 consists of four GC2 in 6-volt batteries in series providing the 24 vdc needed for the electric motor. It has its own Genasun GV-Boost 105-350W Solar Boost Charge Controller with MPPT that takes the minimal 12 vdc from the common solar panel and produces the proper 24 vdc levels for the motive battery bank.

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Tim and John:

Thank you both for your posts.

One of the issues I am trying to figure out is how to properly size a solar panel so that it is large enough (strong enough) to fully top off the batteries but then not too large or too strong that it "fries" the batteries.

I have been trying to do as much reading on this stuff as I can but my brain (along with other parts) is not what it used to be. :(

I will look forward to additional suggestions.
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Sea Hunt Video wrote:
One of the issues I am trying to figure out is how to properly size a solar panel so that it is large enough (strong enough) to fully top off the batteries but then not too large or too strong that it "fries" the batteries.
After being fully charged batteries need a float voltage of 13.2V to 13.8V depending upon the battery. The only way to correctly do this is with a controller. Controllers are dirt cheap these days. Even a simple on/off regulator is better than nothing at all.

12V nominal solar panels are all in the 17V + range

The longer you leave even a small solar panel connected to the batteries, between uses, the more chance you have of it driving the voltage well in excess of a proper "float voltage".

On my charge bench right now I have over 500Ah's of batteries on float. The power supply (I use lab grade power supplies in my shop) is holding 13.4V and approximately every 12-18 minutes the current "blips" on to 0.1A and off again as fast as it came on. These batteries are "fully charged" and it takes but one pulse of 0.1A every 12-18 minutes to maintain the 500Ah's of batteries at 13.4V.

If the batteries are left unattended, for periods of disuse, even a small panel can eventually push your voltages to damaging levels. I have had multiple customers destroy banks with controller-less solar.

What it all comes down to is this: Any panel worth buying is one that will need a controller if the batteries are to be left unattended.

Do I Need a Solar Controller?
http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/do_i ... controller
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Maine Sail:

Thank you very much for your post. I will carefully read your website section on controllers, etc. and will, I am sure, have additional questions.

Your website is a special place for sailors trying to learn how to do things the right way.
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I also recommend E-Marine. Great prices and great customer service. If you tell them what your set up is and what you want then they will set you up. Check out their web site, too. Lots of good information.

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Lisa and John:

Thank you for the recommendation of EMarine. They are actually located in Ft. Lauderdale. I spoke with "John" from EMarine today. They will be at Strictly Sail Miami next week. I will be sure to visit with them and, hopefully, purchase a properly sized solar panel, controller, etc.
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Thursday I am driving up to E-Marine in Ft. Lauderdale to purchase a solar panel.

I am trying to decide on solar panel size (wattage).

I have two (2) batteries. They are Delco Deep Cycle M27MF maintenance free (installed 11/2011); CCAmps 600; MCAmps 750; produces 95 amp/hrs. These numbers came from a Delco website. I assume they are accurate.

I want to install a solar panel that primarily keeps the two (2) batteries "topped off" with juice. I do not run a lot of electrical stuff. S/V Bali Ha'i is very dry (little, if any, bilge pump usage).

This is the E-Marine website for the semi-flexible solar panel. I am trying to determine what size solar panel. I am thinking either 12 watts or 30 watts. Whichever one I get I will definitely get a charge controller. Thank you Maine Sail :!: :!:

https://www.emarineinc.com/categories/Ganz-Solar-Panels

I am thinking possibly a 30 watt solar panel so that when I am on the hook I can run some electrical stuff and still have enough "juice" to start the Yanmar.

This is the E-Marine website specific to the 30 watt solar panel with charge controller:

https://www.emarineinc.com/Ganz-30-Watt-EZ-Install-Kit

My concern is that I want to make sure I do not "overcharge" the batteries and fry them (I am hopeful the charge controller will reduce this risk) but I also do not want a solar panel that has so little "muscle" that it cannot pump enough "juice" into the batteries to get them (and keep them) topped off.

Thoughts, recommendations, etc. are much needed and much appreciated.
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Roberto
Sounds like you have a plan. But, I'll share the set up I have in case it helps you. I relied on RC Collins website and some additional guidance from my mentor Tim Lackey. I have a single 100aH AGM Lifeline Battery on the Far Reach. As you know, I have no engine so it's solar all the way for us. I went with a Gantz 30 watt semi flex panel. I ran it to the Gensun GV 5 MPPT controller and I monitor the whole thing with the Victron BV 700 monitor. I programmed the monitor carefully following RC's advice regarding the Peukert formula. I have had the system operating for a 1.5 years and it has performed perfectly. When it comes to electronics I am a skeptic through and through but I am happy with this set up. That little panel on a 10' cable which I move around to keep in the sun has met all our needs, modest though they be.

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John:

Thank you for your post but you have the wrong idea about me. I do not have a clue what I am doing. I have no plan. MY plan, such as it is, is to stumble around in the dark looking for a flashlight. :D Everyone on this board can attest to my lack of knowledge, especially when it comes to anything electrical.

I have been reading Maine Sail's website on electrical stuff as well as a few beginner electronics book. It is mostly Greek to me. I am still trying to get a GED (the math has been a stumbling block).

You mentioned using a Genasun GV 5 MPPT controller. I don't know what controller comes with the solar panel being offered by E-Marine. I assume I can buy the solar panel separate and then buy the controller.

The little research I was able to understand about the Genasun GV 5 MPPT controller suggests they have a model for lead-acid batteries and a different model for lithium batteries. I have AGM batteries. I am "assuming" that the Genasun GV 5 MPPT controller model # for the lead-acid battery is the one I would want to purchase.

Is the "Peukert formula" something I should learn about :?: I have never heard that term before.

Whatever information or advise anyone can offer will be much appreciated. I am still stumbling around in the dark and my flashlight batteries are on their last leg. :D
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LOL. Roberto. Fear not. Change the batteries in your flashlight. I felt the same way. It's one of those things that sounds very complicated but isn't and you'll agree after you roll up your sleeves and get started. It's late but I'll put something together for you tomorrow or Wednesday.
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For my last boat, i bought the 10w solar panel package. It came with everything I needed to keep battery charged. All you have to do is attach a couple of wires to your battery terminals and mount the panel on the rail. Cost under $150.00 ( 3 yrs ago ). My boat only had one battery. If your battery system is more complex , e-marine can advise you and supply what you need.
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I think I have decided on the following solar panel/controller system for my little sailboat:

Ganz 30 Watt EZ-Install Kit with Genasun GV 5 MPPT controller.

https://www.emarineinc.com/Ganz-30-Watt-EZ-Install-Kit

https://www.emarineinc.com/Genasun-MPPT ... 12V-Output

I think this is what John Stone has (or close to it). It works for him so I am "hoping" it works for S/V Bali Ha'i. I know he has only one (1) battery. I have two (2) batteries in parallel. I think the Ganz 30w solar panel will be enough to keep the two batteries "fully juiced".

I just need to work on (learn) how to make sure the one solar panel charges BOTH batteries at the same time. I use both batteries to start the 1GM Yanmar
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Roberto,
Here is some additional info regarding the simple system I installed on the Far Reach.

First, I have a modicum of skills in this area. So, I can describe what I have on my boat. I researched it. I installed it. I am responsible for it. Your boat and your set up may be different. I provide this info as a start point for you to develop your own plan. I will tell you that I was anxious about it as I just don't have much background with electrical system. I read a few books to get the basic idea but RC Collins site was the most useful to me as I suspect it has been for many others. So I read his info very carefully--and made a donation to his site. I did my home work, wrote down the components I planned to use then made a written plan to execute. I purchased the tools and supplies I needed, made a few practice crimps, melted a few heat shrinks in my shop, stripped some wires with the new tools in my shop before I started. I ran my written plan past my mentor and proceeded. I did not document the install on my website (though I took pictures) as I was just out of time. I was a couple weeks from sailing for the West Indies and I had to prioritize.

With that said, You have two batteries, I have one. I have no other charging system to contend with where as you have an engine driven alternator. You may also have shore power. I do not.

I found the folks at emarineinc to be very helpful and knowledgeable. I recommend you discuss your requirements with them so they can better advise you.

The Far Reach:

1. I installed a Gantz GSP 30 solar panel. I did not purchase the Gantz "ez install kit" that comes with its own controller, just the panel because I purchased a separate more capable controller. The basic panel does, however, come with a 10' tinned copper power cable. I like the semi flex panel. It's very thin but it is not really flexible. But, it has, so far, worked well. You can see in the photo above I have lines tied to the grommets in each corner and I can tie the panel to wherever it gets the most sun--on top of the dinghy, on the side of the dinghy, to the base of the mast, etc. To my way of thinking, by having an easily moveable panel, I can capture the same amount of sunlight as someone with a larger fixed panel because I don't have to contend with shading issues. I move the panel all the time. Someone can argue they have their panels on special davits or arches and blah blah blah fine. But I did not want any towers or arches or stuff like that on my boat. Nice simple clean is what I wanted so that informed how I proceeded. If I wanted more watts of panels I would have had to do it another way. But, I digress . . . back to the panel. I like the fact I can disconnect it and it can lay flat in the wardrobe locker or under a bunk cushion if that is ever required. Keep in mind some of the panels have two separate cables on each panel. I think maybe one cable is pos and the other neg. But that means two deck connectors and it just took me down a path I did not want to go. So, the Gantz fit my requirements as both pos and neg where sheathed together. There is a good argument for installing a simple 15-30 watt hard frame panel off the stern pulpit. In which case maybe the two cables is not such a big deal as by all intents and purposes it becomes a fixed mount system. Or maybe you can do that with a single cable system. Others with more experience can advise you accordingly if you want to go that way.

2. I wanted to be able to remove the solar panel when necessary. So, I needed a deck fitting that allowed me to disconnect the panel's 10' cable from a deck connector fitting. Surprisingly there are not many suitable connectors out there. I went with a two prong chromed brass hella marine deck connector. It works perfectly for me. There are other ways to make a detachable connector but this is the way I chose to do it. There are special solar power connectors but I could never determine if they were really weatherproof and if they would be easy to remove. You can check into that if you like. I actually do have some of them installed inside my boat because of the way I chose to route my cable but it is not germane to the discussion.

https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/u ... nd+Sockets

I used tinned copper duplex marine cable from the connector on the inside of the boat to connect the connector to the the solar controller.

3. I installed a Genasun GV 5 MPPT Controller, per RC Collins (Compass Marine) instructions and by the instructions that came with the controller (they were the same). The compass marine site details the installation of the slightly more capable Genasun GV 10 MPPT Controller (it can handle more incoming amps from the solar panel). But, since I have a very small panel and no desire to expand beyond the one panel that I currently use I did not need the slightly more expensive GV 10. The GV 5 had the capability to handle my 30 watt panel. More is not always better. But, for all intents and purposes they are the same controller as far as installation goes. I also believe the Genasun controller is the same for lead acid and AGM batteries. I think it might be the same for gel cell as well but you should ask if that is an issue. I do know they have a different controller for lithium batteries. re, the "Peukert formula." I am not going to address it. I learned about on RC Collins site and he does a very good job of explaining it. I think he describes it on his post about the BV 700 controller. You can read about it there. The long and the short of it is that my monitor allows that issue to be address and RC Collins explains how to do it.

4. The solar controller is wired to my 100aH Lifeline AGM battery per the instructions contained with the controller and per RC Collins site.

I then installed a Vectron BV 700 monitor as recommended by RC Collins and that was essentially the entire system. The monitor is important as it has some programmable features in it that allow for some loss of battery capacity over time. Since I had no 12v panel or distribution of any kind I had to build one and install it and all the wiring and a battery switch and connect it to the battery and I had to buy the tools for wire crimps and heat shrinking, etc. Sounds complicated but it turned out to be a pretty simple event.

I purchased the panel for emarineinc. I don't remember where I purchased the Genasun controller as emarine did not carry it. I think you can purchase it from RC Collins though you can find it a little less expensive elsewhere. But, he has done a lot for our community and the little price difference is a small thing given the great info he provides to so many sailors.

I learn new stuff all the time. It's just fascinating. Most if it is pretty simple stuff really but you got to read, make some notes, roll up your sleeves and get started. Or . . . you can pay a competent marine electronics professional to make the installation. That is certainly a reasonable way to go.

I hope this helps Roberto. Good luck and keep us posted.
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