Oriental, NC; bridges
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Oriental, NC; bridges
I am looking for information about the area around the Oriental Road Bridge over Greens Creek in the area of Oriental, NC.
From looking at a NOAA chart it looks like it is a fixed, elevated bridge with a 45' clearance. I am assuming this will be OK for my Cape Dory 25D which has, I think, an "I" number (height of mast) of 32'. What are the various conditions at the channel/creek approaching and under the bridge
Any other anecdotal information about Greens Creek, currents, prevailing conditions, etc., would be helpful. If anyone has familiarity with residential properties in that area, good and bad locations, hurricane exposure, etc. also helpful.
Thanks in advance.
From looking at a NOAA chart it looks like it is a fixed, elevated bridge with a 45' clearance. I am assuming this will be OK for my Cape Dory 25D which has, I think, an "I" number (height of mast) of 32'. What are the various conditions at the channel/creek approaching and under the bridge
Any other anecdotal information about Greens Creek, currents, prevailing conditions, etc., would be helpful. If anyone has familiarity with residential properties in that area, good and bad locations, hurricane exposure, etc. also helpful.
Thanks in advance.
Fair winds,
Roberto
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Re: Oriental, NC; bridges
My boat is in a marina just across the river from Oriental, and I have sailed under that bridge many times aboard my CD25. Yes, it is a nominal 45 footer, and only in extreme flood conditions would it clear less than 40 feet, so you are safe in your 25D. We don't have solar tides on the Neuse River, just wind tides - water is high with north winds, low with south winds.
The entrance to Oriental Harbor is well-marked and protected, and there are no currents or tides to contend with inside the breakwater. Immediately upstream of the bridge the creek forks, with Greens Creek to port and Smith Creek to Starboard. Greens Creek is a bit wider and less developed along the banks, and you can follow it a mile or more upstream and anchor in sheltered water. The depths run seven feet or more in the channel but shoal rapidly out of it. Kershaw Creek branches off to the starboard but is shallow. Smith Creek is fairly narrow, developed along the banks, and tends to be crowded with anchored boats.
There are several local marinas, below the bridge, above the bridge on Smith Creek, and on Whittaker Creek which is the next creek down the river from Greens Creek.
My experience is that hurricanes this far north tend to lose a lot of punch as they come over the shoreline. Oriental is a good 10 miles in from the coast, so while a hurricane can bring lots of wind and very high water, it probably won't have the devastating strength of one to the south. The creeks have deep mud bottoms and the hurricane drill is to anchor far up a creek with a Fortress on a length of cable. This combination digs far down into the mud and makes for a solid hook-up.
I'll put in a plug for my website, http://www.neuseriversailors.com, as a good source of information for anyone considering sailing the Neuse River or Pamlico Sound.
The entrance to Oriental Harbor is well-marked and protected, and there are no currents or tides to contend with inside the breakwater. Immediately upstream of the bridge the creek forks, with Greens Creek to port and Smith Creek to Starboard. Greens Creek is a bit wider and less developed along the banks, and you can follow it a mile or more upstream and anchor in sheltered water. The depths run seven feet or more in the channel but shoal rapidly out of it. Kershaw Creek branches off to the starboard but is shallow. Smith Creek is fairly narrow, developed along the banks, and tends to be crowded with anchored boats.
There are several local marinas, below the bridge, above the bridge on Smith Creek, and on Whittaker Creek which is the next creek down the river from Greens Creek.
My experience is that hurricanes this far north tend to lose a lot of punch as they come over the shoreline. Oriental is a good 10 miles in from the coast, so while a hurricane can bring lots of wind and very high water, it probably won't have the devastating strength of one to the south. The creeks have deep mud bottoms and the hurricane drill is to anchor far up a creek with a Fortress on a length of cable. This combination digs far down into the mud and makes for a solid hook-up.
I'll put in a plug for my website, http://www.neuseriversailors.com, as a good source of information for anyone considering sailing the Neuse River or Pamlico Sound.
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Re: Oriental, NC; bridges
Paul:
Great info. Thank you very much.
Great info. Thank you very much.
Fair winds,
Roberto
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Re: Oriental, NC; bridges
I have sailed my CD 28 under the bridge, just be careful when the winds are from the North for a few days. It can drop to around 40 to 43 clearance. There used to be at least 2 Cd28s and 2 CD 25Ds at marinas past the bridge. Also stay in the channels, they are well marked. By the way I live here in Oriental.
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Re: Oriental, NC; bridges
Roberto,
"I" is not the height of the masthead from the waterline. Seems to me, checking the manual for the CD28, that it's from the deck!
You might fit under the Oriental, NC bridges, anyway, but you might use care otherwise.
Nice to know that you're checking bridge height in anticipation of passing under them.
"I" is not the height of the masthead from the waterline. Seems to me, checking the manual for the CD28, that it's from the deck!
You might fit under the Oriental, NC bridges, anyway, but you might use care otherwise.
Nice to know that you're checking bridge height in anticipation of passing under them.
Fair winds, Neil
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Re: Oriental, NC; bridges
Neil:Neil Gordon wrote:Roberto,
"I" is not the height of the masthead from the waterline. Seems to me, checking the manual for the CD28, that it's from the deck!
That is what I was trying to say - "height of mast". The mast on a CD 25D is close to 32'. Adding a conservative 5' for topsides and you get a "height from waterline" of about 37'. Since most agree that 45' is the approximate height of the bridge clearance I've got about 8' of clearance. Close but doable.
P.S. If I need a sponsor to apply for membership in the NE Fleet can I count on your support As a past Commodore your vote would carry a lot of weight. Do you still enjoy that same single malt that crossed your palms a while back Perhaps a resupply could be arranged.
Fair winds,
Roberto
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"I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way." Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778, as quoted in Naval History and Heritage Command, http://www.history.navy.mil
Roberto
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Re: Oriental, NC; bridges
Paul:
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Wow! Excellent web site! That looks like it will cure a several hours of Iowa mid-winter blues with some good reading!!
I, for one, am VERY glad you shared that link.
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Re: Oriental, NC; bridges
Doable unless you have an 8' whip antenna on the mast head Please don't forget to consider anything that is on top, antenna, windex, legoman lightening protector, etc.Sea Hunt Video wrote:Neil Gordon wrote: . . . Adding a conservative 5' for topsides and you get a "height from waterline" of about 37'. Since most agree that 45' is the approximate height of the bridge clearance I've got about 8' of clearance. Close but doable. . . .
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Re: Oriental, NC; bridges
Tim:
Yes, I had forgotten about the Windex. At this time of the year it not really "mine". The birds use it daily for a nice place to rest and take in the view of Biscayne Bay.
I think it is a little less than 12" so I should still have about 7' clearance. Close but ....
Yes, I had forgotten about the Windex. At this time of the year it not really "mine". The birds use it daily for a nice place to rest and take in the view of Biscayne Bay.
I think it is a little less than 12" so I should still have about 7' clearance. Close but ....
Fair winds,
Roberto
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Re: Oriental, NC; bridges
Sea Hunt Video wrote:Tim:
Yes, I had forgotten about the Windex. At this time of the year it not really "mine". The birds use it daily for a nice place to rest and take in the view of Biscayne Bay.
I think it is a little less than 12" so I should still have about 7' clearance. Close but ....
How tall are the birds
Tim
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Re: Oriental, NC; bridges
I'm reminded of an item in Notice to Mariners a few years ago. NY's Whitestone Bridge was being painted, and scaffolding reduced the navigable clearance by about 10 feet or so. The notice went on to say that if a vessel needed the charted height, by prior arrangement they could close the bridge to traffic and restore the charted clearance.
Fair winds, Neil
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Re: Oriental, NC; bridges
I guess I could always do what is depicted in this video - if the Oriental Road Bridge is not tall enough for S/V Bali Ha'i:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiv0fxFcV3I
It might be a bit much for day sails but .......................
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiv0fxFcV3I
It might be a bit much for day sails but .......................
Fair winds,
Roberto
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Re: Oriental, NC; bridges
I cannot imagine what it must have been like the first time he tried that I was worried when we had 25' of clearance.
When we first tool Slainte under the Clark Bridge that crosses the Mississippi I was amazed at how fast logic seems to go out the window. I know that the bridge had 65' clearance at that time and I know that Slainte has an airdraft of less than 40'; but take a look at these pictures:
Oh, by the way we made it, as shown in the first photo. That is when the 65' was confirmed.
When we first tool Slainte under the Clark Bridge that crosses the Mississippi I was amazed at how fast logic seems to go out the window. I know that the bridge had 65' clearance at that time and I know that Slainte has an airdraft of less than 40'; but take a look at these pictures:
Oh, by the way we made it, as shown in the first photo. That is when the 65' was confirmed.
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Re: Don't use the "I" number
Don't go by the "I" number. Go by the mast height above the waterline. The "I" number is a measurement for your sailmaker. It measures the distance from the masthead (actually from the top of the block for the genoa halyard) to the main deck (not the coach roof). You'll have to add the distance from the main deck to the waterline to get the height of the mast above the waterline. To that number you'll have to add the distance to the top of any lights, antennas, etc. to get the full height.Sea Hunt Video wrote:I am looking for information about the area around the Oriental Road Bridge over Greens Creek in the area of Oriental, NC.
From looking at a NOAA chart it looks like it is a fixed, elevated bridge with a 45' clearance. I am assuming this will be OK for my Cape Dory 25D which has, I think, an "I" number (height of mast) of 32'. What are the various conditions at the channel/creek approaching and under the bridge
Any other anecdotal information about Greens Creek, currents, prevailing conditions, etc., would be helpful. If anyone has familiarity with residential properties in that area, good and bad locations, hurricane exposure, etc. also helpful.
Thanks in advance.
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