heat on a 27

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Re: heat on a 27

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Astronomertoo wrote:We used a Shipmate kerosene heater in our 27 fter for 6 years in Florida, where we used the boat nearly as often for night as daytime for ICW cruising or anchoring out behind our favorite islands in the winter time, and often with friends on board. The heater required priming with alcohol, like we used with our 2 burner stove, and once started was never a problem. Our exhaust vent was a small diameter SS which went up thru a typical external charlie noble. We made and fastened an aluminum plate with a rail on top of the heater to keep our coffee pot hot and safe while motoring or easy sailing. Our nights never got under 30 degrees but we never got cold. Our friends loved the heated boat, and I would do it again.
However, I can not find a way to add fuel heat to the little CD25.
Bob C
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I should add, that we really liked that Shipmate kerosene heater on the colder nights, but more often on less chilly nights we too simply used the large trawler oil lamp hanging from the ceiling over the table. We used a bungie from the bottom of the lamp to an eyestrap to help control the swinging, and the lamp's warm glow was only exceeded with the welcome heat it put out unless throttled down to lower light output. The larger diameter round wick was easy to take care of, and if it was in the 40s outside, it was nice to run that lamp with the companionway door boards out on nice evenings both at anchor, or at the dock with friends.
When it was just a little cool, or damp, the smaller wall mounted gimbled oil lamps with 1" wicks were sufficient to make the cabin cozy. As every sailor knows, we learned to trim the wicks into the shape of a flame in order to make them burn cleaner and brighter. Something about the smell of burning oil lamps, Jimmy Buffet, and Mount Gay Eclipse rum on full moon nights brings back many good memories!
Alas, the big trawler lamp is too big for my current smaller CD 25.
Any suggestions on the optimal oil lamp for my purposes?
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Re: heat on a 27

Post by jen1722terry »

To all the kind posters on this thread.

Jenn and I thank all of you for the comments. We've decided to go with the Dickenson Newport solid fuel heater for simplicity and cost.

Most nights we may not use it, for the non-pressure alcohol galley stove and the yacht lantern keep the cabin comfortable during and after cooling dinner. We tend to turn in very early anyway while cruising.

But next summer, our intinerary will include a long run out the St. Lawrence from Montreal and a September visit to PEI and northeast Nova Scotia, where it can get chilly, so the Newport should get good use.

Thanks again to all, and we'll try to post photos of the install.

Happy Haul-outs, for those of you who are still in the water!

Jenn and Terry
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Re: heat on a 27

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Bob,

Years ago I got a dented W&P Yacht Lamp large size for $29. It leaked as the container weld was broken from the dent which only showed up on the top. I soldiered it up and it has worked wonderfully since. The large size may not give off much more light than the smaller one but the burn time is a lot longer. I think I've replaced the wick once in 13 years. Hangs above the cabin table which sometimes creates a lump on my head but generally lives peacefully.
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Re: heat on a 27

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I love my Refleks diesel heater.
It took some time to get the flue length right so that it drew properly, but it works wonderfully.

Company:

http://www.refleks-olieovne.dk/default. ... umber=1561


Hamilton is US distributor.
Toplicht in germany for Europe.
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Re: heat on a 27

Post by Andy Denmark »

Warren, my good friend,

This is sad news, indeed. I know and understand the connection you share with SQN as well as some of the people on this board. To lose your beloved boat this way strikes at your soul in inexplicable ways. I feel for you.

If you can find a way to get free sometime next fall to join me in my (once) annual trek south on Rhiannon, you have a standing invitation.

I'm wintering in Bonita Springs, FL, and have room for you and yours if you'd care to visit. A bottle of MacAlans awaits you and the sunshine, crystal clear beach, and warm water makes for a nice break from the cold, miserable NE winter.

Rhiannon is in Oriental and Maggie and I will visit her over Thanksgiving for a last-of-the-season sail followed by the annual winterization process before heading back to Florida.

Please stay in touch,

Andy
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Re: heat on a 27

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So the alcohol can heater was just too easy, not to give it a try. It cost about $3.00 for a new quart can and a roll of toilet paper plus a gallon of alcohol. I burnt it at home a few times and then took it to the boat. Yesterday, I ran down to winterize the fresh water system and it was pretty chilly. It was 40 in the cabin when I closed things up except for about an inch of the companion way slide. Six Min after lighting the can I gained 10 degrees. In 1/2 Hr it was up to 72 and I put the lid on it. I had closed the door to the head so it only had to heat the main cabin area. There was no condensation on the ports and very little noticeable odor. As for safety concerns I clamped the can in the pot holders on the stove and the back and overhead were not effected by the heat. You can hold the can in your hand as it only gets hot around the upper edge.

While this is not a great long term solution, it did work out very well to warm up the cabin while I sat and read for an hour or so. When I left at the end of this time, the car thermometer said it was 35 outside so it was easily able to bring the cabin temp up to a comfortable level with near freezing temps outside. I will still be looking for other heating optiuons but that little can kept my can nice and toasty last night, Steve.
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Re: heat on a 27

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I already have a two burner alcohol stove on board. An inverted clay flower pot or a brick over the burner would work about as well.
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Re: heat on a 27

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So what is the purpose of the flower pot? I have heard about this for years but no one ever gives an explanation. Absorb moisture? Add mass? Force me to ask this question?

I suppose I could have just burned my CNG stove but the little can was very cute, Steve.
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Re: heat on a 27

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Steve Laume wrote:So what is the purpose of the flower pot? I have heard about this for years but no one ever gives an explanation. Absorb moisture? Add mass? Force me to ask this question?

I suppose I could have just burned my CNG stove but the little can was very cute, Steve.
It radiates heat, I guess. I'd go with a brick... get it nice and hot and you don't need to sleep with the stove on.
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Re: heat on a 27

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Neil Gordon wrote:
Steve Laume wrote:So what is the purpose of the flower pot? I have heard about this for years but no one ever gives an explanation. Absorb moisture? Add mass? Force me to ask this question?

I suppose I could have just burned my CNG stove but the little can was very cute, Steve.
It radiates heat, I guess. I'd go with a brick... get it nice and hot and you don't need to sleep with the stove on.
Don't use a standard bricklayers brick, go to West Marine and ask for a "marine" brick. Mention my name and you'll get 10% off :oops:
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Re: heat on a 27

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Paul D. wrote:Terry,

We installed a Dickinson solid fuel heater when we got the boat in '02. My brother helped with much of the installation on the port bulkhead. Got a sheet of copper from a discount metal supply store and bended that over a 1/2" backing board for a heat shield. There is a little Hella cabin fan under the deck to port that when directed to the lower part of the flue, really helps distribute heat around the cabin on the coldest nights.

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It went in pretty nicely. I wasn't willing to give up ventilation below so I ran the flue almost straight up with a little jog aft and outboard to exit through the deck behind the port dorade box.

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I converted the starbrd berth forward locker to a wood bin and keep it filled with hardwood from home and found driftwood. The heater has made many a God-awful night splendid aboard at anchor, including the last sail of the season earlier this month where I had 30 kts of cold wind coming off the lake.

It will not hold a fire overnight, but if you get chunks of wood about 3"x6" or so, a few of those will last an hour. And you can reasonably tend it for an evening. It doesn't even try to be an airtight or efficient stove. I would say I use a five gallon bucket amount of wood over a couple evenings of heavy use depending upon how much you stoke it. Due to the flue's proximity to the dorade vent, I usually pull the vent off and stow it next to the mast when having a fire to avoid blackening it. On Femme, it doesn't take much to warm up the cabin.

If brand new, make the first fire small to avoid warping the door. Over the years, I have not had any trouble with backdrafting even in heavy wind.

Hope this helps,



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