On my CD 30 approximately mid-ship and somewhat in line with the stanchion bases, are four bolts on the port and starboard side that do not appear to do anything with a cursory inspection. Were these intended for some sort of factory option that I am unaware of. On the port side it appears a previous owner removed the bolts and added washers on the top side in order to better seal the deck penetrations. Starboard side is leaking and that is why my attention is focused on them. What the heck are the little boogers? And Happy New Year to all my fellow CD Captains, First Mates, and Crew! Fair seas and calm winds to you all! Larry, please help me out with the mystery.
Russell Rau
S/V Dreamer
CD - 30
rrau@att.net
Deck fitting / bolts midship on CD 30
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Richard Feffer
Re: Deck fitting / bolts midship on CD 30
Russell,
I wonder if they might be for adding another stantion for a lifeline gate! I have a gate on the starboard side only and hope to add another stantion on the port side to allow another gate in the lifeline.
Richard Feffer
"Adamarie"
CD30MKII
RichFef@Prodigy.net
I wonder if they might be for adding another stantion for a lifeline gate! I have a gate on the starboard side only and hope to add another stantion on the port side to allow another gate in the lifeline.
Richard Feffer
"Adamarie"
CD30MKII
RichFef@Prodigy.net
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Larry DeMers
Re: Deck fitting / bolts midship on CD 30
Hi Russ,
Well now..a conundrum! What the heck did that P.O. do? I can only imagine a few things that might help.. Such things as some sort of boarding ladder lock down bracket come to mind, but lord, that is one ham-handed way to do it!!!
Does the fiberglass show any wear or unusual effects near these screws? That would give you a clue as to the type of use it had.
Well, looks like a bit of filling and sanding is in store! It's actually an easy fix, and a good way to learn the tricks of filling in a hole in fiberglass. There are a lot of guys here that are good with glass, and repairs like this, so don't be a stranger, ok?
Cheers..and Beers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 ~~Hey..it's warming up a tad!!..come on SPRING! (You warm climate folks won't understand..)~~
demers@sgi.com
Well now..a conundrum! What the heck did that P.O. do? I can only imagine a few things that might help.. Such things as some sort of boarding ladder lock down bracket come to mind, but lord, that is one ham-handed way to do it!!!
Does the fiberglass show any wear or unusual effects near these screws? That would give you a clue as to the type of use it had.
Well, looks like a bit of filling and sanding is in store! It's actually an easy fix, and a good way to learn the tricks of filling in a hole in fiberglass. There are a lot of guys here that are good with glass, and repairs like this, so don't be a stranger, ok?
Cheers..and Beers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 ~~Hey..it's warming up a tad!!..come on SPRING! (You warm climate folks won't understand..)~~
Russell Rau wrote: On my CD 30 approximately mid-ship and somewhat in line with the stanchion bases, are four bolts on the port and starboard side that do not appear to do anything with a cursory inspection. Were these intended for some sort of factory option that I am unaware of. On the port side it appears a previous owner removed the bolts and added washers on the top side in order to better seal the deck penetrations. Starboard side is leaking and that is why my attention is focused on them. What the heck are the little boogers? And Happy New Year to all my fellow CD Captains, First Mates, and Crew! Fair seas and calm winds to you all! Larry, please help me out with the mystery.
Russell Rau
S/V Dreamer
CD - 30
demers@sgi.com
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Larry DeMers
Re: Deck fitting / bolts midship on CD 30
Richard,
We added a port side gate a couple years ago, and it was a nice change, as we now have a port side tie up on the dock, which makes a gate necessary.
I used the entire opening from the stern pulpit to the first port stanchion as the gate area. I used a couple stoppers on the lifelines to keep them from sliding back forward past the first stanchion, from the weight of the bumpers or someone leaning on the lifelines. I also added a stanchion brace on the first stanchion, to support the stanchion when the gate was down.
Unfortunately, Spartan marine says now that they will not produce these braces for Cape Dorys any more, as the setup and finishing time exceeds what they charge for it (well then adjust your prices?). Now, as an alternative, Roger at Bristol Bronze (maker of the new builders placques) said that he could come up with a bronze brace that could be electroplated bright. So it is a possibility anyway, albeit expensive.
The braces take only one thru-screw hole for the angled leg.
Cheers!
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30
demers@sgi.com
We added a port side gate a couple years ago, and it was a nice change, as we now have a port side tie up on the dock, which makes a gate necessary.
I used the entire opening from the stern pulpit to the first port stanchion as the gate area. I used a couple stoppers on the lifelines to keep them from sliding back forward past the first stanchion, from the weight of the bumpers or someone leaning on the lifelines. I also added a stanchion brace on the first stanchion, to support the stanchion when the gate was down.
Unfortunately, Spartan marine says now that they will not produce these braces for Cape Dorys any more, as the setup and finishing time exceeds what they charge for it (well then adjust your prices?). Now, as an alternative, Roger at Bristol Bronze (maker of the new builders placques) said that he could come up with a bronze brace that could be electroplated bright. So it is a possibility anyway, albeit expensive.
The braces take only one thru-screw hole for the angled leg.
Cheers!
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30
Richard Feffer wrote: Russell,
I wonder if they might be for adding another stantion for a lifeline gate! I have a gate on the starboard side only and hope to add another stantion on the port side to allow another gate in the lifeline.
Richard Feffer
"Adamarie"
CD30MKII
demers@sgi.com
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Russell Rau
Re: Deck fitting / bolts midship on CD 30
Larry / Richard, Thanks for your input. It just dawned on me this evening that the PO might have had midship cleats at one time and eliminated them when furling lines were run through the stanchion bases. Was a midship cleat standard on the CD 30. The bolt pattern seems to match the 4 bolt spread of the aft cleat, I just never thought about that before. A midship cleat would be nice for spring lines. When I redo my lifelines (soon), I plan to make the gate separate from the lifelines themselves so that the lifelines always remain tight. This way I won't fall off when washing, etc. The idea of a gate on the port side would also be worth considering. Presently I am on a floating pier with fingers on each side, but that could change in the future. Thanks again for your help.
Russell Rau
S/V Dreamer
rrau@att.net
Russell Rau
S/V Dreamer
Russell Rau wrote: On my CD 30 approximately mid-ship and somewhat in line with the stanchion bases, are four bolts on the port and starboard side that do not appear to do anything with a cursory inspection. Were these intended for some sort of factory option that I am unaware of. On the port side it appears a previous owner removed the bolts and added washers on the top side in order to better seal the deck penetrations. Starboard side is leaking and that is why my attention is focused on them. What the heck are the little boogers? And Happy New Year to all my fellow CD Captains, First Mates, and Crew! Fair seas and calm winds to you all! Larry, please help me out with the mystery.
Russell Rau
S/V Dreamer
CD - 30
rrau@att.net
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Larry DeMers
Re: Deck fitting / bolts midship on CD 30
Russ,
The midship cleat was not standard, but was/is offered for sale by Spartan Marine. We installed one the first year we owned the boat. It mounts in the toe rail, not the deck. The PO may have used a generic cleat for that purpose, but what a poor place to put it! Sure would explain those bolts though!
The midship cleat is a very useful cleat. We use it every time we dock..virtually every time. By tieing off a dock line to the midship cleat, and then making this the first dock line attached when the boat is docking, you end up pulling the boat into the slip in a parallel motion with the dock (if the cleat is installed at the center of effort for the boat that is -real important!) This is a really good improvement to make to any CD.
Cheers!
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30
demers@sgi.com
The midship cleat was not standard, but was/is offered for sale by Spartan Marine. We installed one the first year we owned the boat. It mounts in the toe rail, not the deck. The PO may have used a generic cleat for that purpose, but what a poor place to put it! Sure would explain those bolts though!
The midship cleat is a very useful cleat. We use it every time we dock..virtually every time. By tieing off a dock line to the midship cleat, and then making this the first dock line attached when the boat is docking, you end up pulling the boat into the slip in a parallel motion with the dock (if the cleat is installed at the center of effort for the boat that is -real important!) This is a really good improvement to make to any CD.
Cheers!
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30
Russell Rau wrote: Larry / Richard, Thanks for your input. It just dawned on me this evening that the PO might have had midship cleats at one time and eliminated them when furling lines were run through the stanchion bases. Was a midship cleat standard on the CD 30. The bolt pattern seems to match the 4 bolt spread of the aft cleat, I just never thought about that before. A midship cleat would be nice for spring lines. When I redo my lifelines (soon), I plan to make the gate separate from the lifelines themselves so that the lifelines always remain tight. This way I won't fall off when washing, etc. The idea of a gate on the port side would also be worth considering. Presently I am on a floating pier with fingers on each side, but that could change in the future. Thanks again for your help.
Russell Rau
S/V Dreamer
Russell Rau wrote: On my CD 30 approximately mid-ship and somewhat in line with the stanchion bases, are four bolts on the port and starboard side that do not appear to do anything with a cursory inspection. Were these intended for some sort of factory option that I am unaware of. On the port side it appears a previous owner removed the bolts and added washers on the top side in order to better seal the deck penetrations. Starboard side is leaking and that is why my attention is focused on them. What the heck are the little boogers? And Happy New Year to all my fellow CD Captains, First Mates, and Crew! Fair seas and calm winds to you all! Larry, please help me out with the mystery.
Russell Rau
S/V Dreamer
CD - 30
demers@sgi.com
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Duncan Maio
Re: Stanchion Brace
If, as Larry says, Spartan won't make the braces, my shop can make them up for a little more than Spartan would charge (price would depend on the number of initial units ordered, but probably under $100).
BTW, thanks to all who ordered toe/rub rail or other teak parts, and thanks for your patience (I had a difficult late summer/fall). We have several lengths of Typhoon toe and rub rail in inventory, and patterns for coamings, tiller, taffrail, and many other typhoon parts.
Duncan Maio
Mystic Marine
mail@mysticmarine.net
mail@mysticmarine.net
BTW, thanks to all who ordered toe/rub rail or other teak parts, and thanks for your patience (I had a difficult late summer/fall). We have several lengths of Typhoon toe and rub rail in inventory, and patterns for coamings, tiller, taffrail, and many other typhoon parts.
Duncan Maio
Mystic Marine
mail@mysticmarine.net
mail@mysticmarine.net