I have a 1975 typhone that I can purchase for $1800. But there is a 6to8 in. crack on the starboard deck about 6 inches from the chain plate. The crack goes fore to aft. IS this a major repair job,and about how much would the cost be? Would like to know ASAP as he wants to see soon Thank You. JB
jbierwert@bgc.com
typhone
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Larry DeMers
Re: typhone (Typhoon)
For that kind of money, the seller better grow some patience. This boat has a fore and aft crack in the deck..does it penetrate the decking, or is it just a gel coat crack?
Usually stress cracks are seen running more or less athwartships, rather than fore and aft. If this is indeed a crack that extends down into the roving, then you may have a problem there with the coring getting wet...which could explain the sellers hurry to get rid of the boat.
Repair wise, this would be something someone with experience could handle if it was a simple gelcoat repair. But if it is structural (your request does not specify), then you will be needing some pro help. Check this boat over carefully. What else is wrong with it?
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30
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Usually stress cracks are seen running more or less athwartships, rather than fore and aft. If this is indeed a crack that extends down into the roving, then you may have a problem there with the coring getting wet...which could explain the sellers hurry to get rid of the boat.
Repair wise, this would be something someone with experience could handle if it was a simple gelcoat repair. But if it is structural (your request does not specify), then you will be needing some pro help. Check this boat over carefully. What else is wrong with it?
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30
james bierwert wrote: I have a 1975 typhone that I can purchase for $1800. But there is a 6to8 in. crack on the starboard deck about 6 inches from the chain plate. The crack goes fore to aft. IS this a major repair job,and about how much would the cost be? Would like to know ASAP as he wants to see soon Thank You. JB
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Bill Bloxham
Re: typhone
Old fiberglass composites. What fun!
This was a problem addressed in the CD repair literature that accompanied the mast support tube retrofit kit.
I had developed "the crack" this past spring on my Ty port deck, running fore to aft, and attribute it to chainplate/shroud/mast tension stress on my delaminated deck, transmitted thru the cabin structure. Four years ago I repaired a section of deck surrounding the forward Nico vent which, unsealed, let water infiltrate. I had dried the good wet core out and injected epoxy, thinking I has solved the problem. I should have replaced the all the core while I had so much of the deck up. I assume that the deck flexed enough to allow penetration, and this last colder winter caused a ice expansion crack.
If this crack is in the anti-skid area,you can repair the core, paint the anti-skid and gain a vauable new skill for about $200. If it's in the deck area, add $150 more for a small random orbit sander some paper and some caulk. Plan on a dusty weekend. Great information is available from the $3 WEST System booklet on fiberglass repair.
If you need to go to a yard for this, buy another boat.
mmmmmmbill@aol.com
This was a problem addressed in the CD repair literature that accompanied the mast support tube retrofit kit.
I had developed "the crack" this past spring on my Ty port deck, running fore to aft, and attribute it to chainplate/shroud/mast tension stress on my delaminated deck, transmitted thru the cabin structure. Four years ago I repaired a section of deck surrounding the forward Nico vent which, unsealed, let water infiltrate. I had dried the good wet core out and injected epoxy, thinking I has solved the problem. I should have replaced the all the core while I had so much of the deck up. I assume that the deck flexed enough to allow penetration, and this last colder winter caused a ice expansion crack.
If this crack is in the anti-skid area,you can repair the core, paint the anti-skid and gain a vauable new skill for about $200. If it's in the deck area, add $150 more for a small random orbit sander some paper and some caulk. Plan on a dusty weekend. Great information is available from the $3 WEST System booklet on fiberglass repair.
If you need to go to a yard for this, buy another boat.
mmmmmmbill@aol.com
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el cappiton
Re: typhone
Good advice except for the last line. These boats are hard to come by. Anthing on any boat can be repaired or replaced-by anyone with the time and desire. These boats are not in production any longer and if they were you would pay 10x what this boat costs. 19 Ty's are highly undervalued in general. Even if you have to pay a professional $1000-$1500 to make the repair you still have a great boat for a fair price if everything else is in good working condition. Think about what it would cost to replace this boat. Not a bad deal I bet.Bill Bloxham wrote: Old fiberglass composites. What fun!
This was a problem addressed in the CD repair literature that accompanied the mast support tube retrofit kit.
I had developed "the crack" this past spring on my Ty port deck, running fore to aft, and attribute it to chainplate/shroud/mast tension stress on my delaminated deck, transmitted thru the cabin structure. Four years ago I repaired a section of deck surrounding the forward Nico vent which, unsealed, let water infiltrate. I had dried the good wet core out and injected epoxy, thinking I has solved the problem. I should have replaced the all the core while I had so much of the deck up. I assume that the deck flexed enough to allow penetration, and this last colder winter caused a ice expansion crack.
If this crack is in the anti-skid area,you can repair the core, paint the anti-skid and gain a vauable new skill for about $200. If it's in the deck area, add $150 more for a small random orbit sander some paper and some caulk. Plan on a dusty weekend. Great information is available from the $3 WEST System booklet on fiberglass repair.
If you need to go to a yard for this, buy another boat.
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Bill Bloxham
Re: typhone (Ty) (wordy)
Thanks for the complement, and the considered rebuttal. It’s exchanges like this that make coming here worthwhile.
Firstly, some clarification: when I referred to the deck area that required the random orbit sander, I meant to specify the area of the deck not covered by the antiskid. Sorry. By the way, when I did mine I sprinkled on a layer of awl-grip anti-skid over wet paint and then applied a second coat of paint over the powder. The Petit EasyPoxy paint is holding up very well mechanically, although the color faded from off-white to white in 3 years.
The last line of my reply (“If you need to go to a yard for this, buy another boat”) comes out of the conflict of sailing vs. sailboat ownership. I enjoy sailing, I enjoy working on my boat (even the core replacement part) and I enjoy owning a nice looking boat. But like many classic triangle equations, I can only have two of three without incurring a lot of expense. I’ve given up two complete spring/early summer periods to make my Ty sound and pretty. I’m enjoying the fruits of my labor now, but I could have been sailing then.
I have about $9000 in my Ty. I did all the work myself. New OB, trailer (boat winters in my front yard), re-core decks, paint, hardware, VHF, stereo, redo teak, cushions, bottom cleaned of 19 layers of bottom paint, etc. My sails are (ouch) original. All this for a boat I paid $2700 for in fair shape. Off hand, what do you think I could sell it for? (This is a rhetorical question; the boat stays until I find something else my wife will go out on that I can afford in both time and dollar commitments). I suspect any cost/resale/use equation renders about the same results.
If James does all the things he needs to do to stack his Ty up against a new Ty (assuming you could get one) and goes thru a yard, he will have a $20,000 boat that he could sell for $6000. As far as I can see, for this type of endeavor, it’s DYI or another boat
I looked at a Sea Sprite 23’ last month. Loved the boat. My wife might be talked into it. But when I run the numbers for putting it back into shape (day sailor shape) I’m over $10,000. That’s half way to a 25D. Is this reasonable?
As far as being hard to come by, consider this. When I went to sell my excess rudder post bearings 4 springs ago, I placed a note into the cockpit of 14 Tys at Beatons boatyard, Mantoloking, NJ. When I did my follow up the next spring 7 of the Tys still had the plastic bag with the note where I left it. (The number of Beatons, by the way, is (732) 477-0259. I’d try calling Teddy Beaton and asking how many were available for sale.) I suspect it is the same situation anywhere else there used to be a Cape Dory dealer.
For many people in today’s economic climate, a hard look at the work involved in an older boat leads to “easy time payments” on a new or newer boat. Nothing sells like convenience.
Don’t mistake my tone in this post - I’m very happy with my Ty, and with the CD/ Alberg people I meet. I hope James Bierwert finds a Ty he loves & keeps it. I still get a thrill from seeing another CD (or other Alberg-Rhodes-Ludders) boat on the water. My point is that there are a lot of Tys out there, and it’s hard to recover your cost in repairing the boat. If James isn’t dying for this particular boat he has a lot of options.
mmmmmmbill@aol.com
Firstly, some clarification: when I referred to the deck area that required the random orbit sander, I meant to specify the area of the deck not covered by the antiskid. Sorry. By the way, when I did mine I sprinkled on a layer of awl-grip anti-skid over wet paint and then applied a second coat of paint over the powder. The Petit EasyPoxy paint is holding up very well mechanically, although the color faded from off-white to white in 3 years.
The last line of my reply (“If you need to go to a yard for this, buy another boat”) comes out of the conflict of sailing vs. sailboat ownership. I enjoy sailing, I enjoy working on my boat (even the core replacement part) and I enjoy owning a nice looking boat. But like many classic triangle equations, I can only have two of three without incurring a lot of expense. I’ve given up two complete spring/early summer periods to make my Ty sound and pretty. I’m enjoying the fruits of my labor now, but I could have been sailing then.
I have about $9000 in my Ty. I did all the work myself. New OB, trailer (boat winters in my front yard), re-core decks, paint, hardware, VHF, stereo, redo teak, cushions, bottom cleaned of 19 layers of bottom paint, etc. My sails are (ouch) original. All this for a boat I paid $2700 for in fair shape. Off hand, what do you think I could sell it for? (This is a rhetorical question; the boat stays until I find something else my wife will go out on that I can afford in both time and dollar commitments). I suspect any cost/resale/use equation renders about the same results.
If James does all the things he needs to do to stack his Ty up against a new Ty (assuming you could get one) and goes thru a yard, he will have a $20,000 boat that he could sell for $6000. As far as I can see, for this type of endeavor, it’s DYI or another boat
I looked at a Sea Sprite 23’ last month. Loved the boat. My wife might be talked into it. But when I run the numbers for putting it back into shape (day sailor shape) I’m over $10,000. That’s half way to a 25D. Is this reasonable?
As far as being hard to come by, consider this. When I went to sell my excess rudder post bearings 4 springs ago, I placed a note into the cockpit of 14 Tys at Beatons boatyard, Mantoloking, NJ. When I did my follow up the next spring 7 of the Tys still had the plastic bag with the note where I left it. (The number of Beatons, by the way, is (732) 477-0259. I’d try calling Teddy Beaton and asking how many were available for sale.) I suspect it is the same situation anywhere else there used to be a Cape Dory dealer.
For many people in today’s economic climate, a hard look at the work involved in an older boat leads to “easy time payments” on a new or newer boat. Nothing sells like convenience.
Don’t mistake my tone in this post - I’m very happy with my Ty, and with the CD/ Alberg people I meet. I hope James Bierwert finds a Ty he loves & keeps it. I still get a thrill from seeing another CD (or other Alberg-Rhodes-Ludders) boat on the water. My point is that there are a lot of Tys out there, and it’s hard to recover your cost in repairing the boat. If James isn’t dying for this particular boat he has a lot of options.
mmmmmmbill@aol.com
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Bill Bloxham
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Harris
Re: typhone (Ty) (wordy)
Interesting question.......boats and economics. The main thing is to get a boat that you have confidence in and not get caught up in a restoration project.....unless that is what you are looking for. $2000-$3000 is all that the boat is going to end up being worth no matter how much you spend. If the deck or cockpit is spoungy it may have been that way for 20 years and remain so for another 20 years. Something for an expert to judge. Honestly I don't have much confidence in amatuer restoration of sailboats. I feel that if the boat has been beat to death certain structural flaws are going to remain hidden and be unreversable. The trick is to find a baot that has been lightly used.....and ignore the cosmetics.The most important things are.....is the rudder going to stay attached to the boat........and is the mast going to stay standing. Next down the list is having new sails. A rat boat with new sails is better than a restored boat with blown sails. There is now sense in buying a boat and first incurring a $2000 repair when clean Tys are available for 2K. Most of these boat will need new sails and a motor more than anything else.
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sloopjohnl
Re: typhone (Ty) (wordy)
like anything else, you've got to pay to play. but chose your investment wisely. i love doing my own work in the backyard also, but sometimes the time can not be bought. i've been trying to find time to redo the non-skid on my ty for three years. but it always ends up in the water before i can find the time. i look at it this way: it's a great 5 knot boat - when i'm out there doing five knots in a good breeze in the spring, ain't nobody lookin' at my non-skid!!!
Bill Bloxham wrote: Thanks for the complement, and the considered rebuttal. It’s exchanges like this that make coming here worthwhile.
Firstly, some clarification: when I referred to the deck area that required the random orbit sander, I meant to specify the area of the deck not covered by the antiskid. Sorry. By the way, when I did mine I sprinkled on a layer of awl-grip anti-skid over wet paint and then applied a second coat of paint over the powder. The Petit EasyPoxy paint is holding up very well mechanically, although the color faded from off-white to white in 3 years.
The last line of my reply (“If you need to go to a yard for this, buy another boat”) comes out of the conflict of sailing vs. sailboat ownership. I enjoy sailing, I enjoy working on my boat (even the core replacement part) and I enjoy owning a nice looking boat. But like many classic triangle equations, I can only have two of three without incurring a lot of expense. I’ve given up two complete spring/early summer periods to make my Ty sound and pretty. I’m enjoying the fruits of my labor now, but I could have been sailing then.
I have about $9000 in my Ty. I did all the work myself. New OB, trailer (boat winters in my front yard), re-core decks, paint, hardware, VHF, stereo, redo teak, cushions, bottom cleaned of 19 layers of bottom paint, etc. My sails are (ouch) original. All this for a boat I paid $2700 for in fair shape. Off hand, what do you think I could sell it for? (This is a rhetorical question; the boat stays until I find something else my wife will go out on that I can afford in both time and dollar commitments). I suspect any cost/resale/use equation renders about the same results.
If James does all the things he needs to do to stack his Ty up against a new Ty (assuming you could get one) and goes thru a yard, he will have a $20,000 boat that he could sell for $6000. As far as I can see, for this type of endeavor, it’s DYI or another boat
I looked at a Sea Sprite 23’ last month. Loved the boat. My wife might be talked into it. But when I run the numbers for putting it back into shape (day sailor shape) I’m over $10,000. That’s half way to a 25D. Is this reasonable?
As far as being hard to come by, consider this. When I went to sell my excess rudder post bearings 4 springs ago, I placed a note into the cockpit of 14 Tys at Beatons boatyard, Mantoloking, NJ. When I did my follow up the next spring 7 of the Tys still had the plastic bag with the note where I left it. (The number of Beatons, by the way, is (732) 477-0259. I’d try calling Teddy Beaton and asking how many were available for sale.) I suspect it is the same situation anywhere else there used to be a Cape Dory dealer.
For many people in today’s economic climate, a hard look at the work involved in an older boat leads to “easy time payments” on a new or newer boat. Nothing sells like convenience.
Don’t mistake my tone in this post - I’m very happy with my Ty, and with the CD/ Alberg people I meet. I hope James Bierwert finds a Ty he loves & keeps it. I still get a thrill from seeing another CD (or other Alberg-Rhodes-Ludders) boat on the water. My point is that there are a lot of Tys out there, and it’s hard to recover your cost in repairing the boat. If James isn’t dying for this particular boat he has a lot of options.
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Bill Bloxham