I've fallen in love w/ a 1984 CD36 which I plan to use for coastal and short ( 2 - 4 day ) offshore cruises. Eventually, I'd like to retire early and live aboard down in the islands.
I'm ready to make an offer on the CD36, but wonder if I should look at a Tayana 37 (better blue-water reputation?) or Cabo Rico 38 (well respected cruising boat).
Are there any good/bad traits the CD36 has that would make it suitable/not suitable for long-term cruising?
Any thoughts from the group? Thanks in advance for your insights.
Best regards,
Jeff
csmall@kpmg.com
CD36 vs. Tayana 37 or Cabo Rico 38??
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Warren Stringer
Re: CD36 vs. Tayana 37 or Cabo Rico 38??
Assuming the boat is in good shape, you would not have any need for concern with a CD 36. They have a reputation for being very well constructed and very comfortable at sea.C. Jeffrey Small wrote: I've fallen in love w/ a 1984 CD36 which I plan to use for coastal and short ( 2 - 4 day ) offshore cruises. Eventually, I'd like to retire early and live aboard down in the islands.
I'm ready to make an offer on the CD36, but wonder if I should look at a Tayana 37 (better blue-water reputation?) or Cabo Rico 38 (well respected cruising boat).
Are there any good/bad traits the CD36 has that would make it suitable/not suitable for long-term cruising?
Any thoughts from the group? Thanks in advance for your insights.
Best regards,
Jeff
Look in Cruising World in the last 3-4 years or so for an account of a passage from California to Alaska in storms and very large waves, over 30 feet as I recall.
My own boat,(Eendracht, CD 36, 1981), was sailed twice across the Atlantic and cruised for several years in the Baltic and Mediterranean by her previous owner. Shorthy after I bought her, two well respected cruising authors and circumnavigators (Beth Leonard and Ralph Naranjo) told me I had made an excellent choice.
Warren
wstringer@aristotle.net
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Larry DeMers
Re: CD36 vs. Tayana 37 or Cabo Rico 38??
The CD36 has the finest entry of any of your list, which has real-time results in pointing ability, handling in a seaway, and outright speed.
The Tayana 37 is huge inside, where the CD36 is narrower and has less room, although certainly adequate for a world cruiser. THe beam of the Tayana makes her a slug in anything but heavy conditions, and then I beat the Tayana 37 in our marina ..and that is with a CD30!!
She will have a lot more tankage, more stowage capability, and will take well to rolling trade winds as long as you can open the sails a bit and let them breathe. I have toi admit that they are a gorgeous boat, and one that would make a good ocean boat too.
The Cabo Rico is another boat that makes my heart skip a beat or two. They have a similar prismatic coefficient to the Tayana 37, so will suffer from pointing ability, and speed in the first 45 degress of wind. A good way to see what the comparison is would be to check the PHRF rating for these boats. It is interesting to see who gives how may seconds to whom...and that is an indication of all aspects of sail combined and the vessels effectiveness at them.
My choice would be the CD36, as I know the quality well..but you are the winner with all three really. All boats are a compromise in one way or another.
Good Luck..and have fun with your choice.
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 ~~~~~Sailing Lake Superior~~~~~
demers@sgi.com
The Tayana 37 is huge inside, where the CD36 is narrower and has less room, although certainly adequate for a world cruiser. THe beam of the Tayana makes her a slug in anything but heavy conditions, and then I beat the Tayana 37 in our marina ..and that is with a CD30!!
She will have a lot more tankage, more stowage capability, and will take well to rolling trade winds as long as you can open the sails a bit and let them breathe. I have toi admit that they are a gorgeous boat, and one that would make a good ocean boat too.
The Cabo Rico is another boat that makes my heart skip a beat or two. They have a similar prismatic coefficient to the Tayana 37, so will suffer from pointing ability, and speed in the first 45 degress of wind. A good way to see what the comparison is would be to check the PHRF rating for these boats. It is interesting to see who gives how may seconds to whom...and that is an indication of all aspects of sail combined and the vessels effectiveness at them.
My choice would be the CD36, as I know the quality well..but you are the winner with all three really. All boats are a compromise in one way or another.
Good Luck..and have fun with your choice.
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 ~~~~~Sailing Lake Superior~~~~~
C. Jeffrey Small wrote: I've fallen in love w/ a 1984 CD36 which I plan to use for coastal and short ( 2 - 4 day ) offshore cruises. Eventually, I'd like to retire early and live aboard down in the islands.
I'm ready to make an offer on the CD36, but wonder if I should look at a Tayana 37 (better blue-water reputation?) or Cabo Rico 38 (well respected cruising boat).
Are there any good/bad traits the CD36 has that would make it suitable/not suitable for long-term cruising?
Any thoughts from the group? Thanks in advance for your insights.
Best regards,
Jeff
demers@sgi.com
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Matt Cawthorne
Re: CD36 vs. Tayana 37 or Cabo Rico 38??
Jeff,
Larrys comments about the Tayana 37 are good ones. I would like to add a few more. I can not speak for the CR-38, but while I was looking for a boat the Tayana 37 was a candidate. I chose a CD-36. The first has to do with the Range of Positive Stability. The simple screening formulas would have you believe that the Tayana had a better range of stability. When you dig farther and look at the detailed calculation of the tow the CD-36 ended up around 129 degrees and the Tayana at something like 110 or 115 degrees. The Cape Dory wins that one. The second had to do with the decks. Most Tayana 37's seemed to have wood decks. Teak is clearly the hands down winner for traction. The down side to the teak decks is that after 15 years many teak decks need to be replaced. One friend of my brothers had their decks done (Choey Lee 36 ? of some sort that looks like a CD-36) and the price tag was around 40,000 dollars. That is too much money for a periodic maintenance item, even if it is every 20 years. Thirdly the Tayana 37 Weighs 50% more than a CD-36. That translates to an anchor that is 50% heavier, sails that are 50% more effort to pull in and to raise and more bottom to scrape and paint. For now I am strong enough for the anchor on the CD, but I'd probably want a windlass on a Tayana 37. That just becomes one more maintenance item. Tacking in tight quarters is that much more work with bigger sails. The first mate would be in trouble with larger sails than we now have. Another Item is the fact that every Tayana 37 I saw was a one of a kind with custom interior layout. This can be good or bad. If you find one with a great layout and is in good condition and at a good price it is good. If it were in bad shape or had a high price it becomes tough to find another like it.
Most importantly for me was a clear feeling that the boat was right for me. I have never doubted that fact.
While crossing to Bermuda ('95?) we got hit by a Northerly gale in the Gulf Stream. The waves whipped to an ugly 20 feet with some over 25 (I am pretty careful not to over-estimate wave heights). The waves were much uglier than any I had ever seen crossing the Atlantic. We were down to just the staysail and no main doing 6.5 knots. Never during that 18 hour period until the wind began to abate did the thought cross my mind that the boat would have any problems. The only comment from the crew was "This thing is riding this storm like a duck on a pond". Once a wave broke and flooded the cockpit with water. My comment? "Wow! That Gulf stream water is warm!" I had and still have such confidence in the boat that make trips much more enjoyable.
Matt
Mcawthor@bellatlantic.net
Larrys comments about the Tayana 37 are good ones. I would like to add a few more. I can not speak for the CR-38, but while I was looking for a boat the Tayana 37 was a candidate. I chose a CD-36. The first has to do with the Range of Positive Stability. The simple screening formulas would have you believe that the Tayana had a better range of stability. When you dig farther and look at the detailed calculation of the tow the CD-36 ended up around 129 degrees and the Tayana at something like 110 or 115 degrees. The Cape Dory wins that one. The second had to do with the decks. Most Tayana 37's seemed to have wood decks. Teak is clearly the hands down winner for traction. The down side to the teak decks is that after 15 years many teak decks need to be replaced. One friend of my brothers had their decks done (Choey Lee 36 ? of some sort that looks like a CD-36) and the price tag was around 40,000 dollars. That is too much money for a periodic maintenance item, even if it is every 20 years. Thirdly the Tayana 37 Weighs 50% more than a CD-36. That translates to an anchor that is 50% heavier, sails that are 50% more effort to pull in and to raise and more bottom to scrape and paint. For now I am strong enough for the anchor on the CD, but I'd probably want a windlass on a Tayana 37. That just becomes one more maintenance item. Tacking in tight quarters is that much more work with bigger sails. The first mate would be in trouble with larger sails than we now have. Another Item is the fact that every Tayana 37 I saw was a one of a kind with custom interior layout. This can be good or bad. If you find one with a great layout and is in good condition and at a good price it is good. If it were in bad shape or had a high price it becomes tough to find another like it.
Most importantly for me was a clear feeling that the boat was right for me. I have never doubted that fact.
While crossing to Bermuda ('95?) we got hit by a Northerly gale in the Gulf Stream. The waves whipped to an ugly 20 feet with some over 25 (I am pretty careful not to over-estimate wave heights). The waves were much uglier than any I had ever seen crossing the Atlantic. We were down to just the staysail and no main doing 6.5 knots. Never during that 18 hour period until the wind began to abate did the thought cross my mind that the boat would have any problems. The only comment from the crew was "This thing is riding this storm like a duck on a pond". Once a wave broke and flooded the cockpit with water. My comment? "Wow! That Gulf stream water is warm!" I had and still have such confidence in the boat that make trips much more enjoyable.
Matt
Mcawthor@bellatlantic.net
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Chip Kennedy
Re: CD36 vs. Tayana 37 or Cabo Rico 38??
Carl Alberg vs. Bob Perry vs. Chuch Paine.
If you picked a boat designed by any of the above, you would have made a good choice. I think that the Tayana or the Cabo Rico will have a drier ride than the Cape Dory, in my opinion.
The Tayana was a custom built boat, and they would design the interior for the customer "at no charge." As a result, there are many different configurations, which may be beter set up for living aboard. (as many Tayana owners did)
Another feature of the Tayana is it was available with a Pilot House. I have some info on this boat I can snail mail you if you want.
Good Luck with your choice
Chip
ckennedy@lynx.dac.neu.edu
If you picked a boat designed by any of the above, you would have made a good choice. I think that the Tayana or the Cabo Rico will have a drier ride than the Cape Dory, in my opinion.
The Tayana was a custom built boat, and they would design the interior for the customer "at no charge." As a result, there are many different configurations, which may be beter set up for living aboard. (as many Tayana owners did)
Another feature of the Tayana is it was available with a Pilot House. I have some info on this boat I can snail mail you if you want.
Good Luck with your choice
Chip
C. Jeffrey Small wrote: I've fallen in love w/ a 1984 CD36 which I plan to use for coastal and short ( 2 - 4 day ) offshore cruises. Eventually, I'd like to retire early and live aboard down in the islands.
I'm ready to make an offer on the CD36, but wonder if I should look at a Tayana 37 (better blue-water reputation?) or Cabo Rico 38 (well respected cruising boat).
Are there any good/bad traits the CD36 has that would make it suitable/not suitable for long-term cruising?
Any thoughts from the group? Thanks in advance for your insights.
Best regards,
Jeff
ckennedy@lynx.dac.neu.edu
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Larry DeMers
Re: CD36 vs. Tayana 37 or Cabo Rico 38??
Matt..good comments. I would add something you reminded me of; Teak Decks! Stay away..nay, run away from them! Every blasted one will eventually leak through each and every single screw hole into the fiberglass, causing delamination of the coring. Repair is a heartbreaking endeavor, taking years if done yourself, and many thousands of boating units if paying someone else to do it. Good maintnenace helps keep the water out, but construction on the Taiwanese boats has been questionable in several areas over the years, and teak decks are right up there along with their hardware problems. So even maintenance done properly cannot prevent some leaking from occuring.
I looked at some line drawings of the Cabo Rico 38 and it has a finer bow than does the Tayana 37, but not as fine as the CD36. So the CR38 would point better than the T37, but not nearly as well as the CD36.
Cheers!
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
CD30
demers@sgi.com
I looked at some line drawings of the Cabo Rico 38 and it has a finer bow than does the Tayana 37, but not as fine as the CD36. So the CR38 would point better than the T37, but not nearly as well as the CD36.
Cheers!
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
CD30
Matt Cawthorne wrote: Jeff,
Larrys comments about the Tayana 37 are good ones. I would like to add a few more. I can not speak for the CR-38, but while I was looking for a boat the Tayana 37 was a candidate. I chose a CD-36. The first has to do with the Range of Positive Stability. The simple screening formulas would have you believe that the Tayana had a better range of stability. When you dig farther and look at the detailed calculation of the tow the CD-36 ended up around 129 degrees and the Tayana at something like 110 or 115 degrees. The Cape Dory wins that one. The second had to do with the decks. Most Tayana 37's seemed to have wood decks. Teak is clearly the hands down winner for traction. The down side to the teak decks is that after 15 years many teak decks need to be replaced. One friend of my brothers had their decks done (Choey Lee 36 ? of some sort that looks like a CD-36) and the price tag was around 40,000 dollars. That is too much money for a periodic maintenance item, even if it is every 20 years. Thirdly the Tayana 37 Weighs 50% more than a CD-36. That translates to an anchor that is 50% heavier, sails that are 50% more effort to pull in and to raise and more bottom to scrape and paint. For now I am strong enough for the anchor on the CD, but I'd probably want a windlass on a Tayana 37. That just becomes one more maintenance item. Tacking in tight quarters is that much more work with bigger sails. The first mate would be in trouble with larger sails than we now have. Another Item is the fact that every Tayana 37 I saw was a one of a kind with custom interior layout. This can be good or bad. If you find one with a great layout and is in good condition and at a good price it is good. If it were in bad shape or had a high price it becomes tough to find another like it.
Most importantly for me was a clear feeling that the boat was right for me. I have never doubted that fact.
While crossing to Bermuda ('95?) we got hit by a Northerly gale in the Gulf Stream. The waves whipped to an ugly 20 feet with some over 25 (I am pretty careful not to over-estimate wave heights). The waves were much uglier than any I had ever seen crossing the Atlantic. We were down to just the staysail and no main doing 6.5 knots. Never during that 18 hour period until the wind began to abate did the thought cross my mind that the boat would have any problems. The only comment from the crew was "This thing is riding this storm like a duck on a pond". Once a wave broke and flooded the cockpit with water. My comment? "Wow! That Gulf stream water is warm!" I had and still have such confidence in the boat that make trips much more enjoyable.
Matt
demers@sgi.com