Knot vs Eye Splice

barfwinkle · Post by **barfwinkle** » Dec 11th, '11, 15:55

Hello to all

In preparing to install Rhapsody's new traveler, I am Perplexed about attaching control lines to the car. The issue being which takes up "less" space, thus allowing the car to "travel" over a greater range. An eye splice ends up enlarging the line and making line stiffer as you near the eye? The splice looks much better, but?

Fair winds.

Jim Davis · Post by **Jim Davis** » Dec 11th, '11, 16:16

Let me suggest the Buntline Hitch. It takes up little room and will not slip.

http://www.netknots.com/html/buntline_hitch.html

barfwinkle · Post by **barfwinkle** » Dec 11th, '11, 17:59

Thank you Jim.

That is what I have on there currently.

Fair Winds

Steve Laume · Post by **Steve Laume** » Dec 11th, '11, 20:46

I have been using these in place of splices for most of my lines.

The hitch is quick and easy to tie as well as taking up less space than a splice. They can b untied and retied at will. With the strength of today's lines I don't think loss of strength is ever an issue.

It is kind of like a figure eight gone wrong, Steve.

Sea Hunt Video · Post by **Sea Hunt Video** » Dec 11th, '11, 23:08

Bill:

What traveler (make; model) did you purchase

I read some earlier (circa 2007) posts on travelers for a Cape Dory 25D that mentioned Harken or Garhauer.

Thanks.

Loren · Post by **Loren** » Dec 12th, '11, 09:24

If you are using a double braid line it is not too difficult to splice and I would take a splice over a knot. I learned to do the splice though I'll admit it was a bit of a challenge.

Loren

Klem · Post by **Klem** » Dec 12th, '11, 12:20

If space really is at a premium, a well done seizing with seine twine or something like that is best. I use these quite a lot on 3 strand line (not on my CD) but I don't like using them all that much on braid.

bottomscraper · Post by **bottomscraper** » Dec 12th, '11, 21:12

I have a seizing on the mainsail traveler and buntline hitch on our (new last season) staysail traveler. I actually tried a splice for the mainsail but the neck (or whatever the correct name for it is) is too stiff and fat. The seizing works but the buntline hitch is easier and I thnk that is the way I will go when it is time to replace. We also use a buntline hitch on our halyards and the staysail outhaul. I seem to have a mental block about that knot and I must admit I need to look it up every season

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Carl Thunberg · Post by **Carl Thunberg** » Dec 13th, '11, 08:53

I took out my trusty collection of miscellaneous scraps of this and that kind of rope and started practicing the buntline hitch. It occurred to me that the buntline hitch is actually every similar to a clove hitch, except it's tied on the standing part of the rope instead of to a post. Am I wrong in reaching this conclusion?

Jim Davis · Post by **Jim Davis** » Dec 13th, '11, 09:01

Note it is tied backwards to what you are used to. The intent is that it jams, therefore doesn't slip.

Joe Myerson · Post by **Joe Myerson** » Dec 13th, '11, 09:21

Once I discovered it, and learned how to tie it, I find the buntline hitch one of the most useful of all knots--second only to the bowline, in fact.

It doesn't use as much line, and once tightened, it's a real &*@% to untie--but that's the point.

I still haven't tried to learn how to splice double-braided line. But, then, I haven't really mastered the 3-stranded eye splice either.

--Joe

Jim Cornwell · Post by **Jim Cornwell** » Dec 13th, '11, 10:23

Try the "Splicing Wand' by Brion Toss and his separate instructions, which in combination take the mystery and difficulty out of splicing braid. I was amazed. Jim

RIKanaka · Post by **RIKanaka** » Dec 13th, '11, 13:41

Joe Myerson wrote:
I still haven't tried to learn how to splice double-braided line. But, then, I haven't really mastered the 3-stranded eye splice either.

--Joe

On the other hand, there's this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sQn5ZMKgNI

barfwinkle · Post by **barfwinkle** » Dec 13th, '11, 14:49

And in just over 7 minutes too!

Fair Winds

Joe Myerson · Post by **Joe Myerson** » Dec 13th, '11, 14:56

RIKanaka wrote:
On the other hand, there's this guy

Thanks a bunch! I don't think I'd ever be able to figure that out on my own.

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Knot vs Eye Splice

Knot vs Eye Splice

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Buntline Hitch is great!

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