I have been meaning to post this for the last 5 years.
It is just a few photos of some of the improvements that we have done. I know some of you have already been through a lot of the same projects.
Any comments appreciated. link below.
http://s1099.photobucket.com/albums/g38 ... 20Repower/
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Cap'n Bob
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Cockpit access panel
Cap'n Bob:
Really nice photos.
In a couple of the photos there appears to be an access panel in the cockpit with a fiberglass "cover" or lid sitting on a blue canvas bag. The opening has a drainage edge around it. It all appears to be OEM.
Over the past couple of years there have been a few threads on this board discussing the pros and cons of an access panel in the cockpit.
Can you share with us your experience(s) with this access panel
Is it OEM or is it a really good after market job
Despite the drainage edge, does water ingress into the engine compartment when there are heavy rains, etc.
Thanks very much in advance for any information you can provide.
Really nice photos.
In a couple of the photos there appears to be an access panel in the cockpit with a fiberglass "cover" or lid sitting on a blue canvas bag. The opening has a drainage edge around it. It all appears to be OEM.
Over the past couple of years there have been a few threads on this board discussing the pros and cons of an access panel in the cockpit.
Can you share with us your experience(s) with this access panel
Is it OEM or is it a really good after market job Despite the drainage edge, does water ingress into the engine compartment when there are heavy rains, etc.
Thanks very much in advance for any information you can provide.
Fair winds,
Roberto
a/k/a Sea Hunt "The Tadpole Sailor"
CDSOA #1097
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"I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way." Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778, as quoted in Naval History and Heritage Command, http://www.history.navy.mil
Roberto
a/k/a Sea Hunt "The Tadpole Sailor"
CDSOA #1097
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"I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way." Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778, as quoted in Naval History and Heritage Command, http://www.history.navy.mil
When we had the engine replaced, we decided to have the fuel tank
taken out cut off the bottom,cleaned, new fuel guage, then rebraised
and pressure tested. No sense having new engine and dirty fuel. So, all this meant remove cockpit floor complete, binnacle, quadrant,etc.
After removing we thought it would be nice to be able to access the engine compartment from the cockpit in lieu of the port side lazzarette.
This led to the custom glass access hatch eith the integral hard tube derains to the copit drains. Does not let water in due to its good fit. When water does leach in to the troughs it goes directly out the tube to the cockpit drains. I imagine if the cockpit were to get completely swamped, the troughs would not keep up, but then the drains would
receive most of the water anyway. Again due to the fit of the hatch.
taken out cut off the bottom,cleaned, new fuel guage, then rebraised
and pressure tested. No sense having new engine and dirty fuel. So, all this meant remove cockpit floor complete, binnacle, quadrant,etc.
After removing we thought it would be nice to be able to access the engine compartment from the cockpit in lieu of the port side lazzarette.
This led to the custom glass access hatch eith the integral hard tube derains to the copit drains. Does not let water in due to its good fit. When water does leach in to the troughs it goes directly out the tube to the cockpit drains. I imagine if the cockpit were to get completely swamped, the troughs would not keep up, but then the drains would
receive most of the water anyway. Again due to the fit of the hatch.
Cap'n Bob
Westerbeke / Universal. 35B
Westerbeke bought Universal about 5 years ago.
I measured it to the MM Length width height to make sure she would not require any cabinet mods prior to the purchase. Made a trip up to Hansen Marine in Marblehead,Ma and looked at the engine prior.
WE replaced the three cylinder Universal 5425 and went from 3 engine mounts to the newly glassed in engine beds you see in the photos.
WE considered Beta Marine and Yanmar. Both good replacements.
I know another CD 33 owner who replaced with the Beta Engine
(Kubota platform) and his fore and aft dimensions meant a slight engine cover mod but the engine is a good one as well.
Westerbeke bought Universal about 5 years ago.
I measured it to the MM Length width height to make sure she would not require any cabinet mods prior to the purchase. Made a trip up to Hansen Marine in Marblehead,Ma and looked at the engine prior.
WE replaced the three cylinder Universal 5425 and went from 3 engine mounts to the newly glassed in engine beds you see in the photos.
WE considered Beta Marine and Yanmar. Both good replacements.
I know another CD 33 owner who replaced with the Beta Engine
(Kubota platform) and his fore and aft dimensions meant a slight engine cover mod but the engine is a good one as well.
Cap'n Bob
Let me know. I have a lot of info, if and when you get ready.
You have to love your CD and plan to keep her.
One thing she will do is get me the extra ummph! when I need it.
Beside the reliability of having only 400hrs, there is a whole lot of peace of mind. 35HP was a little more than I needed. I do not have trouble gettng her to do 7.2 speed over grnd on a calm day at 3200RPMs. I do not do it much but it will if we make the call.
I liked the old motor as the 3 cylinders were larger than the newer 4 cylinders. She also gave more torque in the lower end. I could not get my 5424 up past 2200RPMs. The new ones are very smoothe
when not in gear. At 3400 RPMs it hums nicely. She seems only to get up to 164deg. after longer hauls. Easy to access maintenance wise.
Oil changes, fuelfilters. No using any diesel or or absorbers in the engine bilge.
You have to love your CD and plan to keep her.
One thing she will do is get me the extra ummph! when I need it.
Beside the reliability of having only 400hrs, there is a whole lot of peace of mind. 35HP was a little more than I needed. I do not have trouble gettng her to do 7.2 speed over grnd on a calm day at 3200RPMs. I do not do it much but it will if we make the call.
I liked the old motor as the 3 cylinders were larger than the newer 4 cylinders. She also gave more torque in the lower end. I could not get my 5424 up past 2200RPMs. The new ones are very smoothe
when not in gear. At 3400 RPMs it hums nicely. She seems only to get up to 164deg. after longer hauls. Easy to access maintenance wise.
Oil changes, fuelfilters. No using any diesel or or absorbers in the engine bilge.
Cap'n Bob
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My Dear Zeida:
I have seen your engine and engine room on S/V Bandolera II.
The engine room is probably cleaner and the engine runs better than most that are today coming off the assembly line.
Spend your available "boat units" are more "sea essential" items. For example, a few cases on Guinness.
I have seen your engine and engine room on S/V Bandolera II.
The engine room is probably cleaner and the engine runs better than most that are today coming off the assembly line.
Spend your available "boat units" are more "sea essential" items. For example, a few cases on Guinness.
Fair winds,
Roberto
a/k/a Sea Hunt "The Tadpole Sailor"
CDSOA #1097
________________________________
"I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way." Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778, as quoted in Naval History and Heritage Command, http://www.history.navy.mil
Roberto
a/k/a Sea Hunt "The Tadpole Sailor"
CDSOA #1097
________________________________
"I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way." Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778, as quoted in Naval History and Heritage Command, http://www.history.navy.mil
Zeida,
Diesels run well for a long time if follow a few maintenace rules.
Our entire repower started with cracked engine mount.
One thing led to next and decided to bite bullet.
The yard bill became astronomical from the first estimate of $14K installed.
But, it became one of those while were here sort of things.
So as one would logically decide, we were definitiely to blame.
Looking back< ( it's been 5 years) I can have that case of Guiness now.
Diesels run well for a long time if follow a few maintenace rules.
Our entire repower started with cracked engine mount.
One thing led to next and decided to bite bullet.
The yard bill became astronomical from the first estimate of $14K installed.
But, it became one of those while were here sort of things.
So as one would logically decide, we were definitiely to blame.
Looking back< ( it's been 5 years) I can have that case of Guiness now.
Cap'n Bob
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FWIW: when I first got my 1981 CD33 (in 1998) I knew NOTHING about inboard engines. My previous CD25 had a blissfully simple Evinrude outboard. I never even suspected what I was getting into. After six or seven months of day or weekend sailing on the bay, I finally took the boat down for a 3-day cruise to the Fla. Keys. Day one was very good sailing weather, all day. We stayed at a marina on a mooring that night. Day two, we had to motor the entire time, since we were going inside the shallow mangrove channels between all the small keys... Day 3 we were motor-sailing the entire time... that's when I started hearing scary noises coming from under my feet in the cockpit. Banging on metal, it sounded to me... We got to our destination for the night. Next morning I took a look down "there"... up to then I had not really paid attention to the entire engine area. No one had given me any clues. Since I was used to starting my little outboard for 19 years, I thought it would be similar here, only with a key and a push-button. Well!!!!!! Surprise.
After really looking in there with a flashlight, started to pull and push some of the pieces of that huge thing in there... most did not move, but one odd looking thing did... it turned out to be the riser that came out of the back of the engine and dove into the muffler. I gave it a couple of shoves, and there was the clanking noise! The muffler was loose! Looking further, I saw the heavy steel platform into which the muffler was supposed to be attached, was also loose. The four corners of the plastic muffler, were broken, and 3 of the 4 screws that held it down to the platform, were exposed, not holding anything. Muffler was attached to the platform by only one screw. Looking further, the SS platform itself, was not attached to anything, and was the real culprit of the banging noise! It was banging against the side of the tranny!
Looking further, i discovered that the platform was supposed to be bolted to the side of the tranny itself, but the vibration of the engine had apparently stripped the bolt, the hole on the tranny side was too big and the bolt was at the bottom of the sump! I fished this bolt and took off to a hardware store to find a bigger bolt that I hoped would fit into the hole and hold the muffler and platform to the tranny. I got 3 different sizes. Came back to the boat and proceeded to try them. One of them more or less fit, and after staying another day at our destination, we started the trip back. Halfway along, the banging started again. I had to live with that for the rest of the trip. Once back at my marina, I really started trying to learn as much as possible of that area back there. Immediately decided that I had to move the muffler to a separate place, to avoid damage to the tranny. This I did. Took me days, but I did, successfully. While working down there, I saw that the three Motor Mounts were totally destroyed, shredded! No wonder the engine was vibrating. It was in place only with God's help. The shaft and the hoses were all that were holding the engine. You can imagine my shock. I located and bought new engine mounts for the Universal 5424 M-30. It was an ordeal to lift the engine so we could replace the three broken mounts. For how long the P.O. had been using the boat like that, who knew? The next thing that happened, of course, the tranny died! By now, I was sure this was going to happen and it did... Tranny was removed, taken to a shop, all the interior broken parts replaced, and we re-installed it. With new motor mounts, muffler separated on its own shelf, tranny fixed, now I had to ALIGN the engine. After paying four different mechanics to do this, and finding out not one of them did it properly, I started reading how to do this myself. Not easy! Since then, I am obsessed with the motor mounts, the alignment, the vibration of the engine (by now greatly reduced) ... I check those motor mounts every single time I take the boat out, because more than once the huge nuts that hold them have slipped. Now I have the right set of tools to work with every single thing down there and I do. But the best I can do still, is to watch like a hawk every thing, every time, because I can not afford to repower. By now I know that a 3-engine mount diesel like mine, is prone to more vibration that one that has 4 motor mounts...of course! I am very familiar with my "Goldie"... because I have removed and replaced almost every single part that can be removed and replaced. I think Goldie knows how much time and effort I put into taking good care of her, and she pays me back by starting the very first split second that I ask her to. She has never failed. When I voice concerns of how much I would like to repower, I make sure I am a mile away from Goldie so she can not hear me. I NEVER say that when I'm on the boat. i always give her the sweetest compliments and praise.
But I KNOW everything about destroyed motor mounts, dead trannys, overheating heat exchangers, exploding hoses, failing clamps, dirty fuel filters, leaking oil gaskets, breaking rubber impellers, changing filters, bad alingment, stuffing box repacking, etc. etc. etc. But I still LOVE my boat.
After really looking in there with a flashlight, started to pull and push some of the pieces of that huge thing in there... most did not move, but one odd looking thing did... it turned out to be the riser that came out of the back of the engine and dove into the muffler. I gave it a couple of shoves, and there was the clanking noise! The muffler was loose! Looking further, I saw the heavy steel platform into which the muffler was supposed to be attached, was also loose. The four corners of the plastic muffler, were broken, and 3 of the 4 screws that held it down to the platform, were exposed, not holding anything. Muffler was attached to the platform by only one screw. Looking further, the SS platform itself, was not attached to anything, and was the real culprit of the banging noise! It was banging against the side of the tranny!
Looking further, i discovered that the platform was supposed to be bolted to the side of the tranny itself, but the vibration of the engine had apparently stripped the bolt, the hole on the tranny side was too big and the bolt was at the bottom of the sump! I fished this bolt and took off to a hardware store to find a bigger bolt that I hoped would fit into the hole and hold the muffler and platform to the tranny. I got 3 different sizes. Came back to the boat and proceeded to try them. One of them more or less fit, and after staying another day at our destination, we started the trip back. Halfway along, the banging started again. I had to live with that for the rest of the trip. Once back at my marina, I really started trying to learn as much as possible of that area back there. Immediately decided that I had to move the muffler to a separate place, to avoid damage to the tranny. This I did. Took me days, but I did, successfully. While working down there, I saw that the three Motor Mounts were totally destroyed, shredded! No wonder the engine was vibrating. It was in place only with God's help. The shaft and the hoses were all that were holding the engine. You can imagine my shock. I located and bought new engine mounts for the Universal 5424 M-30. It was an ordeal to lift the engine so we could replace the three broken mounts. For how long the P.O. had been using the boat like that, who knew? The next thing that happened, of course, the tranny died! By now, I was sure this was going to happen and it did... Tranny was removed, taken to a shop, all the interior broken parts replaced, and we re-installed it. With new motor mounts, muffler separated on its own shelf, tranny fixed, now I had to ALIGN the engine. After paying four different mechanics to do this, and finding out not one of them did it properly, I started reading how to do this myself. Not easy! Since then, I am obsessed with the motor mounts, the alignment, the vibration of the engine (by now greatly reduced) ... I check those motor mounts every single time I take the boat out, because more than once the huge nuts that hold them have slipped. Now I have the right set of tools to work with every single thing down there and I do. But the best I can do still, is to watch like a hawk every thing, every time, because I can not afford to repower. By now I know that a 3-engine mount diesel like mine, is prone to more vibration that one that has 4 motor mounts...of course! I am very familiar with my "Goldie"... because I have removed and replaced almost every single part that can be removed and replaced. I think Goldie knows how much time and effort I put into taking good care of her, and she pays me back by starting the very first split second that I ask her to. She has never failed. When I voice concerns of how much I would like to repower, I make sure I am a mile away from Goldie so she can not hear me. I NEVER say that when I'm on the boat. i always give her the sweetest compliments and praise.
But I KNOW everything about destroyed motor mounts, dead trannys, overheating heat exchangers, exploding hoses, failing clamps, dirty fuel filters, leaking oil gaskets, breaking rubber impellers, changing filters, bad alingment, stuffing box repacking, etc. etc. etc. But I still LOVE my boat.
Zeida
CDSOA Member
CDSOA Member
Zieda, I admire your attitude and the journey you made toward independence and understanding of how your engine and systems function.
I re-powered 4 years ago doing the job myself,(with some help of a friend). Once everything was aligned and true I took the time to remove all bolts and machine screws relating to engine mounts and brackets one at a time giving each a liberal dose of loctite thread locker,(blue). Nothing has moved or needed adjustment since. The 'blue' is semi- perminate, it can be undone with muscle power if need be but has a tenacious grip.
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I re-powered 4 years ago doing the job myself,(with some help of a friend). Once everything was aligned and true I took the time to remove all bolts and machine screws relating to engine mounts and brackets one at a time giving each a liberal dose of loctite thread locker,(blue). Nothing has moved or needed adjustment since. The 'blue' is semi- perminate, it can be undone with muscle power if need be but has a tenacious grip.
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COLORADO MARIJUANA DISPENSARY
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