Why is this 28 'sloop priced 60K over our CD28?
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Ain't nothing take a look at 28' Bristol Channel Cutters if you want sticker shock!
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Rich Abato
Nordic Tug 34 Tanuki
Previous Owner Of CD36 Mahalo #163
Southern Maine
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Previous Owner Of CD36 Mahalo #163
Southern Maine
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Because she's a Morris!
Morrid yachts have a level of design, construction and finish that rivals Hinkley. They also only build to an order, so they have no real inventory of yachts.
We had a Morris 28 berthed next to us, and it IS worth more..but that name, it will also add to the price.
Our friends, on-the-other-hand, own Allegro, a Morris 33 cutter. We have sailed with them many times, but the most memorable was a night-sail up the North Channel of Lake Superiors Apostle Islands.
We had 15-25 from the NW, so that was a nice beat for us, slightly off the wind, at about 60 deg. apparent. We used radar during the sail, and found ourselves about 1/8 mile out in front of Allegro, and a SDGPS speed of 8.3 kts....in our CD 30! We beat faster and closer winded than Allegro was able to, and finished the 10 mile course ahead of them by a few minutes. They were amazed that they could not catch us, and then said that Cape Dory's were known for their speed!?? Huh? They had 2-3 ft of LWL on us at least.
The lesson is that even though they have a Morris 33 with a large price tag, we are able to keep up with them, go the same places, and have as much fun as they do..at a savings to us of around $100k.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
We had a Morris 28 berthed next to us, and it IS worth more..but that name, it will also add to the price.
Our friends, on-the-other-hand, own Allegro, a Morris 33 cutter. We have sailed with them many times, but the most memorable was a night-sail up the North Channel of Lake Superiors Apostle Islands.
We had 15-25 from the NW, so that was a nice beat for us, slightly off the wind, at about 60 deg. apparent. We used radar during the sail, and found ourselves about 1/8 mile out in front of Allegro, and a SDGPS speed of 8.3 kts....in our CD 30! We beat faster and closer winded than Allegro was able to, and finished the 10 mile course ahead of them by a few minutes. They were amazed that they could not catch us, and then said that Cape Dory's were known for their speed!?? Huh? They had 2-3 ft of LWL on us at least.
The lesson is that even though they have a Morris 33 with a large price tag, we are able to keep up with them, go the same places, and have as much fun as they do..at a savings to us of around $100k.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
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Both are boats to die for, almost...
Larry is right about Morris Yachts.
My all-time favorite boat is the little 26-foot Morris Frances (with a deck house), a double-ender that will steal your heart, or mine anyway. I sail past one whenever I leave Squeteague Harbor.
Four or five years ago, while at the Newport Boat Show, I mentioned to Cuyler Morris that I loved that little boat, and was sorry that they didn't make 'em anymore.
Big mistake. He reached under the counter of the Morris Yachts booth, pulled out a brokerage book and showed me three of them. The cheapest, back then, was $68,000.
I've had the pleasure of seeing, but not sailing, a Sam Morse-built BCC. They are also beautiful and beautifully built, but with lots of wood.
All the more reason to love our CDs! They're beautiful and, almost, affordable.
--Joe
My all-time favorite boat is the little 26-foot Morris Frances (with a deck house), a double-ender that will steal your heart, or mine anyway. I sail past one whenever I leave Squeteague Harbor.
Four or five years ago, while at the Newport Boat Show, I mentioned to Cuyler Morris that I loved that little boat, and was sorry that they didn't make 'em anymore.
Big mistake. He reached under the counter of the Morris Yachts booth, pulled out a brokerage book and showed me three of them. The cheapest, back then, was $68,000.
I've had the pleasure of seeing, but not sailing, a Sam Morse-built BCC. They are also beautiful and beautifully built, but with lots of wood.
All the more reason to love our CDs! They're beautiful and, almost, affordable.
--Joe
Former Commodore, CDSOA
Former Captain, Northeast Fleet
S/V Crème Brûlée, CD 25D, Hull # 80
"What a greate matter it is to saile a shyppe or goe to sea."
--Capt. John Smith, 1627
Former Captain, Northeast Fleet
S/V Crème Brûlée, CD 25D, Hull # 80
"What a greate matter it is to saile a shyppe or goe to sea."
--Capt. John Smith, 1627
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Re: Why is this 28 'sloop priced 60K over our CD28?
That's actually cheap for a Linda 28. Morris Yachts are built to a standard where quality is simply not compromised, and you pay for it. If you've never seen a Morris up close it is easy to understand how you could ask that question. If money was no object I would have Cuyler and his boys build my dream boat in a hear beat, not Hinckley.....
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Remembering Lyle Hess
I once called for information on the Lyle Hess Falmouth Cutter.
The gentleman that answered the phone was willing to spend as much time talking about sailing as I was willing to spend time on the phone with him.
At the end of the conversation I had to ask, "Am I talking to Lyle Hess?" He said, "Yes you are!"
I do believe I still have the phone number I called!
I'm sure Carl Alberg would approve of Lyle's designs.
How about a 22 footer for around $50K?
http://www.labelleaurore.org/html/image ... outh22.htm
Cheers,
Gary
The gentleman that answered the phone was willing to spend as much time talking about sailing as I was willing to spend time on the phone with him.
At the end of the conversation I had to ask, "Am I talking to Lyle Hess?" He said, "Yes you are!"
I do believe I still have the phone number I called!
I'm sure Carl Alberg would approve of Lyle's designs.
How about a 22 footer for around $50K?
http://www.labelleaurore.org/html/image ... outh22.htm
Cheers,
Gary
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Hence my comment. They have become a power boat company that occasionally builds a sailboat. While still nice there are a half dozen custom yards I would use before Hinckley.Markst95 wrote:If money was no object I would have Cuyler and his boys build my dream boat in a hear beat, not Hinckley.....
My understanding is Hinkley is not really Hinkley anymore. Kinda like Old Town Canoe and most of the Kayak companies are now owned by the OMC Outboard group.
Morris 36
http://www.todddunnmicroyachts.com/2006/morris_m36.html
Here's a Morris 36 for $2000...Absolutely beautiful And it sails!
Not much head room though
Here's a Morris 36 for $2000...Absolutely beautiful And it sails!
Not much head room though
Randy 25D Seraph #161
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Hinkley
You are right about Hinkley..they go where the money went, I guess. But to my eye, the ONLY boat I would trade up for (from our CD30) is a 1968 Hinkley B40. The shear line on that boat makes my heart skip beats!
Fortunately, I get to see one every few years, as we sail around. What a work of art.
Larry
Fortunately, I get to see one every few years, as we sail around. What a work of art.
Larry
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If money REALLY was no object........
...... I might go with Hodgdon Yachts out of East Boothbay:
http://www.hodgdonyachts.com/scheherazade.shtml
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My object of lust...
If we're dreaming...
I think the Concordia Yawl looks amazing under sail. I have, however, worked on wooden boats and would need to have enough money to have her yard maintained!
I think the Concordia Yawl looks amazing under sail. I have, however, worked on wooden boats and would need to have enough money to have her yard maintained!
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Concordias
I'm inclined to agree with bhartley: the Concordia yawl is the gold standard for cruising sailboats, and they look amazing from any angle. Ray Hunt's design is a work of true genius. Nothing is extraneous, not even the star and crescent moon carved into the bow and stern. Everything is practical and feels right, as it is and where it is. I've had the repeated pleasure of sailing a friend's Concordia, and it truly was a pleasure and a thrill to be in control of that 41-foot machine, boiling along at 8 knots, spray flying, and with just one hand lightly resting on the tiller. I may never be able to afford to buy, let alone maintain, one of these boats, but if one is seriously looking at sailboats in the $100,000 to $150,000 range, why not go for the gold?
Steve Darwin
CD 25D "Arabella"
Fairhaven, Mass
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Re: My object of lust...
Bly:bhartley wrote:If we're dreaming...
I think the Concordia Yawl looks amazing under sail. I have, however, worked on wooden boats and would need to have enough money to have her yard maintained!
I agree. The Concordia Yawl does look beautiful. I have a great idea. As many on this board know I have been searching for a Cape Dory 25D for the past 3+ years. If you sell me S/V Pyxis you could then buy your Concordia Yawl. It's a "win win"
Fair winds,
Roberto
a/k/a Sea Hunt "The Tadpole Sailor"
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a/k/a Sea Hunt "The Tadpole Sailor"
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