Hello,
I have read all the post and comments I could find and this comparison already has good comments; but I still have an irking uncertainty.
My bio and needs:
I am in the Army and moved from Augusta GA to "near" the North Carolina coast, and I am thinking of making NC home, but we may move again.
I am going from primarily lake sailing with wife and two young children (the J24 and Melges racing is a whole different subject) with a Hunter 22 to Oriental NC. So I finally get the boat of my dreams that can handle the new conditions...a Cape Dory.
I will keep the boat on a trailer at the marina with the mast raised 50ft from the ramp. I will only "trailer" when we move.
Do I buy the newer/more rare 22 with beautiful teak or the bigger 25. Is there a significant difference floating off, overnighting with the kids? I am leaning to the 22, but I don't want to soon regret it.
Maybe in 3 years I will know my permanent location and can get a CD30 but for now it needs to be stored on a trailer in case work sends me on vacation in Afghanistan.
I appreciate the time and knowledge of this great community.
Adam
CD22 or vs cd25 in Oriental, NC
Moderator: Jim Walsh
Size Matters
Adam..thanks for serving our country....I own a cd 22 and I can say, I would opt for the 25 for four people...the standing room in my 22 is very minimual and with four people you will notice that almost immediately..price wise I think you will find a 25 cheaper than the 22...good luck to you
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Dick Kobayashi
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Go for the 25
If you plan to have your family on board for more than an hour, go for the 25. They will appreciate the additional room. Welcome to the CD community.
Dick K
CD 25D Susan B #104
Mattapoisett, MA
Fleet Captain - Northeast Fleet 2014/2015
Tempus Fugit. And not only that, it goes by fast. (Ron Vacarro 1945 - 1971)
CD 25D Susan B #104
Mattapoisett, MA
Fleet Captain - Northeast Fleet 2014/2015
Tempus Fugit. And not only that, it goes by fast. (Ron Vacarro 1945 - 1971)
CD22 vs CD25
Hi Adam,
I want to echo the thank you for serving our country. My son-in-law is currently in Iraq.
I have owned a CD22 and I currently own a CD25D. There is a significant difference in size in the two boats. There is also a big difference in the way they sail. Overnight in the 22 would be crowded for a family of 4. If the kids are small, you could put them in the v-berth and it could work. If you plan to spend lots of nights on the boat with the kids, the CD25 would be much more comfortable. That said, if you are going to dry sail the boat, you will need a big truck to launch and retrieve a CD25. I would not want to try to dry sail mine. The CD22 would be much easier to launch and retrieve. You can launch a CD22 with a ford explorer but you will need a F250 to launch and retrieve the CD25. Not only is there a big difference in the weights of the boats, the trailer for the 25 must be substantially heavier. There is not a big difference in the cockpit room.
If every time I went sailing, I had to launch the boat, I would go with the CD22. The worst thing about a 22 is when you do get a slip and move up in size, you will always miss her.
If you are in Columbia, give us a shout and we will go sailing, kids and all.
I want to echo the thank you for serving our country. My son-in-law is currently in Iraq.
I have owned a CD22 and I currently own a CD25D. There is a significant difference in size in the two boats. There is also a big difference in the way they sail. Overnight in the 22 would be crowded for a family of 4. If the kids are small, you could put them in the v-berth and it could work. If you plan to spend lots of nights on the boat with the kids, the CD25 would be much more comfortable. That said, if you are going to dry sail the boat, you will need a big truck to launch and retrieve a CD25. I would not want to try to dry sail mine. The CD22 would be much easier to launch and retrieve. You can launch a CD22 with a ford explorer but you will need a F250 to launch and retrieve the CD25. Not only is there a big difference in the weights of the boats, the trailer for the 25 must be substantially heavier. There is not a big difference in the cockpit room.
If every time I went sailing, I had to launch the boat, I would go with the CD22. The worst thing about a 22 is when you do get a slip and move up in size, you will always miss her.
If you are in Columbia, give us a shout and we will go sailing, kids and all.
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Carl Thunberg
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CD25 really is not a trailer-sailer
If I understand your post correctly, it sounds like your plan is to launch the boat at the ramp every time you sail it. A CD25 is really not a trailer-sailer. Yes, it can be done, but you'd need to submerge the trailer, de-couple it from hitch, and let the trailer sink into deeper water, so the CD25 can float off. Then you'd have to retrieve the trailer (long cable attached). Regular submersion of a trailer in salt water will ruin the lights, wheel bearings, etc., unless you religiously hose it down every time.
If your intention is to trailer-sail, you might want to seriously consider a center-board boat (i.e. not a CD
). Is there any chance of keeping the boat on a mooring?
Both boats are wet boats under sail. If there's any kind of chop, your family will want to get below out of the spray. The CD25 gives them that shelter.
If your intention is to trailer-sail, you might want to seriously consider a center-board boat (i.e. not a CD
). Is there any chance of keeping the boat on a mooring?Both boats are wet boats under sail. If there's any kind of chop, your family will want to get below out of the spray. The CD25 gives them that shelter.
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"The more I expand the island of my knowledge, the more I expand the shoreline of my wonder"
Sir Isaac Newton
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Adamhagan
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- Location: 1979 CD30k Eleventh Hour--New York City, NY
This is exactly the feedback I needed.
I have a good heavy duty, overkill trailer which I was going to fit with a extendable bar for launching. I did this on J24s without issue depending on the ramp, which the new marina is good.
I have a f150 equipped for towing, and worst case is I get a slip, but dry storage is better for me if I can't check on it for 6 months.
I was leaning toward the 22 but now I think the 25. Man this is tough.
I have a good heavy duty, overkill trailer which I was going to fit with a extendable bar for launching. I did this on J24s without issue depending on the ramp, which the new marina is good.
I have a f150 equipped for towing, and worst case is I get a slip, but dry storage is better for me if I can't check on it for 6 months.
I was leaning toward the 22 but now I think the 25. Man this is tough.
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Bill Moore
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- Location: CD 22, Wind Song
Portland, ME
Adam,
I think your problem is that you are trying to reconcile "the boat of my dreams" with the boat you need now in your life. They may not be the same boat. I own a CD 22 and love it. It is perfect for us--the two of us. If you were asking just about sailing, I would pick the 22 over the 25 (and in fact, did exactly that when I bought it).
But the 22 is small for four people, especially with two of them growing. If I were you, I would pick the 25 and plan to trade it in when they become teenagers and are too cool to sail with you.
I think your problem is that you are trying to reconcile "the boat of my dreams" with the boat you need now in your life. They may not be the same boat. I own a CD 22 and love it. It is perfect for us--the two of us. If you were asking just about sailing, I would pick the 22 over the 25 (and in fact, did exactly that when I bought it).
But the 22 is small for four people, especially with two of them growing. If I were you, I would pick the 25 and plan to trade it in when they become teenagers and are too cool to sail with you.
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joelcunningham
- Posts: 60
- Joined: Sep 15th, '10, 22:22
- Location: CD 25 #793 1981 "Omega"
Keyport, NJ
cd25
I'm a CD25 owner and a new sailor. I know nothing about the CD22. I put her in on May 27 and have sailed her thirteen times since then. My boat loves the wind and I love the boat. On my third trip out, I had 18 to 20 knots with higher gusts. With the main (not reefed) and working jib up, she easily exceeded hull speed by a knot and didn't complain a bit.
Last Wed. I left harbor at noon and sailed the Raritan bay, below NYC, and out into the Atlantic. The steady West wind meant that I was on a beat all the way home. The bay was choppy with three foot waves at close intervals and the ocean had nice easy five foot swells. The round trip would have been 28 miles in a power boat. I later figured that I had sailed between 40 and 45 miles in a bit less than eight hours. The boat was easy to sail and pretty comfortable in these conditions. Even as a new sailor, I had no trouble single handing her. I have yet to use my winch handle.
If this is the type of boat you are looking for then I can highly recommend it. I keep the boat on mooring and would not even think about launching it for every sail. Did you mean that you would just leave it on the trailer in the off season? Mine sits in my driveway in winter.
Last Wed. I left harbor at noon and sailed the Raritan bay, below NYC, and out into the Atlantic. The steady West wind meant that I was on a beat all the way home. The bay was choppy with three foot waves at close intervals and the ocean had nice easy five foot swells. The round trip would have been 28 miles in a power boat. I later figured that I had sailed between 40 and 45 miles in a bit less than eight hours. The boat was easy to sail and pretty comfortable in these conditions. Even as a new sailor, I had no trouble single handing her. I have yet to use my winch handle.
If this is the type of boat you are looking for then I can highly recommend it. I keep the boat on mooring and would not even think about launching it for every sail. Did you mean that you would just leave it on the trailer in the off season? Mine sits in my driveway in winter.
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Adamhagan
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Trailer
I was planning on keeping the mast up in storage, which is 50 paces from the ramp. I would do no rigging all the standing and running would be attached, just flOat her off with a tongue extension.
I was going to add keel guides to line it up.
Hopefully we make it out a couple weekends a month.
Having this boat is more critical then the storage method. Has anyone here floated their cd25 Off or just crane launch?
I was going to add keel guides to line it up.
Hopefully we make it out a couple weekends a month.
Having this boat is more critical then the storage method. Has anyone here floated their cd25 Off or just crane launch?
cd25
Adam
As past owner of cd22 and current owner of cd25 I consider the cd25 as an "upgrade" - especially the last couple of years of production . Here's some data you've probably already looked at:
model.....draft.....displacement...........................NA
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cd22........3'.........3200 lbs.................................Carl A
cd25........3'.........4000......................................George S
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cd25d......3'6"......5120..w/inboard diesel............Carl A
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I'm guessing the cd25d is not on your list. Its also double or more the cost of the others .
Between the cd25 and cd22 the cd 22 is pretty much full with 2 adults and " stuff " or 4 people and no " stuff " ( btw stuff = gear be it life jackets or coolers and more ) .
Neither have stand up head room though the cd25 has a modicum of privacy fore/aft.
IMHO with 4 people I'd consider the cd22 primarily as a daysailer while the cd25 could also suffice as an overnighter .
Add in that the cd25 is less expensive ( and your truck can probably handle a cd 25 for 50' - cd25 and trailer probably coming in around 5000-5500 ) .
Of course I'm just reviewing how I came to a cd25 from my cd22 -
" your mileage may vary " .
In either case I hope you're on the water soon
Fair Winds
As past owner of cd22 and current owner of cd25 I consider the cd25 as an "upgrade" - especially the last couple of years of production . Here's some data you've probably already looked at:
model.....draft.....displacement...........................NA
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cd22........3'.........3200 lbs.................................Carl A
cd25........3'.........4000......................................George S
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cd25d......3'6"......5120..w/inboard diesel............Carl A
.
I'm guessing the cd25d is not on your list. Its also double or more the cost of the others .
Between the cd25 and cd22 the cd 22 is pretty much full with 2 adults and " stuff " or 4 people and no " stuff " ( btw stuff = gear be it life jackets or coolers and more ) .
Neither have stand up head room though the cd25 has a modicum of privacy fore/aft.
IMHO with 4 people I'd consider the cd22 primarily as a daysailer while the cd25 could also suffice as an overnighter .
Add in that the cd25 is less expensive ( and your truck can probably handle a cd 25 for 50' - cd25 and trailer probably coming in around 5000-5500 ) .
Of course I'm just reviewing how I came to a cd25 from my cd22 -
" your mileage may vary " .
In either case I hope you're on the water soon
Fair Winds
22 v 25
Adam I have a 22, and wrangled with that vs a TY Weekender. I have 3 kids that are becoming too cool to sail with us, 19, 16, 15 yr old girls. They have fallen in love with the 22, and as we are all 5'5 or so, we do fine daysailing on her. On sleep overs we send the kids home 
That said, the cost and maintenance of a larger boat kept me in the 22' range. College costs loom LARGE...
I don't think you could go wrong with a 25, heck I have my eye on every 28, 30, 33 and 36 I see!
Good luck,
John d
That said, the cost and maintenance of a larger boat kept me in the 22' range. College costs loom LARGE...
I don't think you could go wrong with a 25, heck I have my eye on every 28, 30, 33 and 36 I see!
Good luck,
John d
Godspeed 27
Chesapeake Bay
CDSOA member # 1325
Chesapeake Bay
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Adamhagan
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Found it
Thanks to this awesome community! I found a cd25 reasonably close and I head this weekend to buy it. It became clear what the right choice was for our situation.
My 5 year old was so sad when I sold our hunter 22, she had grown attached to the adventures. I think she will like the upgrade!
If you are in north carolina I live in Fayetteville and sail out of the Neuse don't hesitate to call.
Adam
My 5 year old was so sad when I sold our hunter 22, she had grown attached to the adventures. I think she will like the upgrade!
If you are in north carolina I live in Fayetteville and sail out of the Neuse don't hesitate to call.
Adam
CD25 in Oriental
Adam
As a retired soldier who lived in FayetteNam more than several decades ago and kept a 25 in Oriental let suggest that you try and keep it afloat in a slip. By the time you finish the drive you will want to get on the boat, not spend the extra time in launching and recovering it.
It is fairly easy to make arraignments with the marina to have them pull it and store it on land when your employer decides to send you on one of those wonderful vacations. They would probably let you leave your trailer on site and put it on the trailer for you. Oriental folks are pretty much pro-military and understand "no notice field trips".
As a retired soldier who lived in FayetteNam more than several decades ago and kept a 25 in Oriental let suggest that you try and keep it afloat in a slip. By the time you finish the drive you will want to get on the boat, not spend the extra time in launching and recovering it.
It is fairly easy to make arraignments with the marina to have them pull it and store it on land when your employer decides to send you on one of those wonderful vacations. They would probably let you leave your trailer on site and put it on the trailer for you. Oriental folks are pretty much pro-military and understand "no notice field trips".
Jim Davis
S/V Isa Lei
S/V Isa Lei
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Andy Denmark
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Slip in Oriental
Adam,
I have a slip available in Oriental at a reasonable rate. It's at the pier at my home and has all amenities including WiFi, shower, head, electric, water, 4 pt tieup. Deep water, good access to big water, great hurricane hole.
I rented a slip to Jim Davis when he was at Bragg, FWIW.
Anne Freeman, "Farmerchase's" CD- 30 lived in it and she has sold to a guy in NYC to leave here before end of August.
I have a Cape Dory 27 at the pier and an Alberg 30 so you'd be in "high cotton" insofar as good company. There's a Typhoon alleged to be coming into the 4th slip, too.
As far as ramp launching where the boat can be stored, I don't know a place locally. You can probably arrange Travelift launching with one of the boatyards but the land storage rent and lift time would be expensive.
PM me if you'd like more info.
I have a slip available in Oriental at a reasonable rate. It's at the pier at my home and has all amenities including WiFi, shower, head, electric, water, 4 pt tieup. Deep water, good access to big water, great hurricane hole.
I rented a slip to Jim Davis when he was at Bragg, FWIW.
Anne Freeman, "Farmerchase's" CD- 30 lived in it and she has sold to a guy in NYC to leave here before end of August.
I have a Cape Dory 27 at the pier and an Alberg 30 so you'd be in "high cotton" insofar as good company. There's a Typhoon alleged to be coming into the 4th slip, too.
As far as ramp launching where the boat can be stored, I don't know a place locally. You can probably arrange Travelift launching with one of the boatyards but the land storage rent and lift time would be expensive.
PM me if you'd like more info.
s/v Rhiannon
"In order to be old and wise, one first must have been young and stupid ...
"In order to be old and wise, one first must have been young and stupid ...
Congratulations on the CD 25
You bought a fantastic boat and I know you and your family will have many great and SAFE times on the boat... Again, if you need help here in the marina, let me know....
Bob 'Nittany'
Bob 'Nittany'
Bob