Mainsheet System Question

[shavdog]

I have a cd22 that has original rigging...I want to consider an improvement to make releasing and snugging the boom alittle easier process....in stiff winds when I'm fiddling with this, it gets alittle tiring after awhile and I dont like the angle of the camcleat..my system is what I'd call a 3:1...can someone tell me what I need to change this...is it a 4:1 system?....I'm a notive at best with this...thanks...craig..what brand equipment can I buy that won't break the bank...thanks..

[mgphl52]

..what brand equipment can I buy that won't break the bank...thanks.

I would recommend Garhauer. Great quality, very nice pricing and excellent customer service.
http://garhauermarine.com/catalog.cfm

-michael

[kerlandsen]

Take a look at some of the systems available new, such as Harken, Garhauer, Scheafer, Ronstan, etc, at such places at APSLTD. This will let you see how the stuff works and the sizes available.
Then go buy the parts on Ebay. Any line will work, just get a feel for the length required for the given purchase.
I am guessing a 4:1 would be fine.
Also look at the small tweaks that can be done, such as the angle of the cam, so that releasing and setting is done easier. Also cam up or cam down make a difference.
I have purchased by vang and mainsheet system on ebay

[Warren Kaplan]

Some years ago I too got tired of the mainsheet set up. I also got tired of trying to adjust the pin stop traveler under load. So I installed a 3:1 Harken traveler and both the mainsheet and the traveler are a breeze to use.

The photo below was not taken specifically to show this setup but you can see the traveler and mainsheet. Hope this helps.

[shavdog]

Thanks for the help and suggestions...I called Garhaur and spoke with Guido....ended up buying a 4:1 setup for my 22...thanks again..craig

[Duncan Maio]

Warren:

You have exactly the setup I am looking to install on my CD27 this winter. How did you raise the track above the cockpit trim (and the lazarette hatch)? Is the track flat, or does it follow the camber of the deck?

[Warren Kaplan]

Duncan,

Its been a few years but let me tell you what I remember. First, I installed TWO pieces of teak, one on top of the other, rather than one, to rest the track on and bolt through. The two pieces gets the traveler car above the lazarette hatch so it won't interfere. The only thing I have to remember is to make sure the hasp, that you might use for locking the lazarette hatch, is push onto the lazarette cover or it will interfere with the movement of the traveler car. But that's nothing....you just push it back and its clear.

I do believe it was a flat track that is already drilled to fit the holes exactly of what is already there. If memory serves, the holes are 4" apart (but I could be wrong.)

I took the track and used it as a template to drill the holes in the two pieces of teak. Andy Denmark told me that if I start with the center holes and alternate sides when through bolting the track, both the two pieces of teak and the track will bend nicely to fit the originial curve of the old traveler bed. And, as Andy predicted, it did just that. I did the center bolts, through bolted into the lazarette with big washers to spread the load. Then one hole to starboard and then one to port. The whole shebang started to bend and conform perfectly. If I remember correctly I didn't have to modify a single bolt hole in the lazarette to accomodate this installation.

Its gotta be 5 or 6 years since I've done this and its held up extremely well!! I'll be out to the boat on Sunday and I'll take a more critical look in case I've left something out of this post.

[Dick Barthel]

Warren,

I never noticed that the 27 has the exact same set up as the 25D. That looks like a great solution for a common problem on the 25D as well. Thanks for pointing out another great way to spend some money!

Dick

[hughesw]

Today I finished installing a Garhauer MT-3 on my CD-22. When ordering from Garhauer I requested a 1 1/2" bend (arc) to the track. Shoud've asked for 1". Ended up having to replace the teak strip to accomodate the difference betweent the deck camber and the camber of the track, but it all worked out in the end. I am very pleased with the end result. It is a definite improvement over the original arrangement.

Took 6 weeks from time of order to delivery, with weekly callsto Guido for status updates. I am very impressed with the workmanship and quality of the unit.

Cheers,

Warren H.
<a href="http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh27 ... C01954.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh27 ... C01954.jpg" border="0" alt="Garhauer MT-3 Traveler"></a>

[Joe Myerson]

I guess this question is for both Warrens (Hughes and Kaplan):

How much did your systems cost?

Both are impressive. Warren K's photo looks almost exactly like my 25D (as Dick said), except that I've got a mid-boom traveler system which I would like to replace at some point.

--Joe

[Warren Kaplan]

I guess this question is for both Warrens (Hughes and Kaplan):

How much did your systems cost?

Both are impressive. Warren K's photo looks almost exactly like my 25D (as Dick said), except that I've got a mid-boom traveler system which I would like to replace at some point.

--Joe

Joe,

For me it was a long time ago. It is a Harken 3:1 traveler with a 4 foot track (I think???). I'm sure prices have changed but can easily be gotten from Harken's website I suspect. I believe they sell the track by the foot so measure the track and then look it up. The two peices of teak, each a little wider than the width of the track aren't that expensive. Flat head bolts, longer than what was orginially there to compensate for the fact the there are now two thicknesses of teak to bolt through, nuts and washers to spread the load on the underside of the lazarette hatch also add minimal cost. So, I don't think this is very expensive unless Harken went nuts with a price increase for their stuff.

[Jimbo]

I put a new garhauer mt1 on my 27 last summer. An awesome upgrade for about $350 including having the track bent.[/u]

[Dick Kobayashi]

I used Harken gear on my 25D from Rigging Only - they are only a few miles from me so the ability to return and more importantly get advice trumped other options. I have posted pics somewhere in this Board. A nice sail control improvement as the original equipment was so difficult to use that it wasn't used at all. There are other posts from earlier years on this site which I found very helpful.

[hughesw]

Joe,

The current price for the MT-3 is $250. They will bend the track to your specifications, which is where I screwed up.

Thanks to Buck Woodcraft in Marathon, FL, I had the new piece of 2" X 2" X 36" teak in 3 days.

Warren H.

[Joe Myerson]

Dick,

Since I've already dealt with Rigging Only and found them to be helpful and responsive, I'll probably go with them. Right now, it looks like I'll have to live with the mid-boom system for another year because of financial considerations.

See you on the Bay.

--Joe