I am starting to look for a Cape Dory family cruiser in the 18 - 25K price range and am a little confused about the differences between the CD 27 and CD 28. I was told (or read) that the 28 comes as a sloop. Is this true? I prefer the sloop rig. Does the additional 1' in lengh and 4" in beam make that much of a difference on the 28. How about below deck; from the specs the layout seems identical except for some minor differences in the galley. What about the Volvo versus the Yanmar? Is there a shower on the 28? How about the size of the storage tanks? Any help would be appreciated.
deandeb@msn.com
CD 27 vs. CD 28
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Dana Arenius
Re: CD 27 vs. CD 28
________________________________________________________________Dean Walters wrote: I am starting to look for a Cape Dory family cruiser in the 18 - 25K price range and am a little confused about the differences between the CD 27 and CD 28. I was told (or read) that the 28 comes as a sloop. Is this true? I prefer the sloop rig. Does the additional 1' in lengh and 4" in beam make that much of a difference on the 28. How about below deck; from the specs the layout seems identical except for some minor differences in the galley. What about the Volvo versus the Yanmar? Is there a shower on the 28? How about the size of the storage tanks? Any help would be appreciated.
There is some differences between the two. Both were offered for sale by CD during roughly the same years.
Besides the extra 4" beam, there is an additional 2' waterline length on the 28. That makes a big difference on the interior but does have an effect on the overall performance. The 28 was really designed for a little more elbow room, i.e a crusier. For the most part, you will find most 28s as a cutter rig.
Both boats have very good displacements and are very well built. The narrow beam on the 27 is very noticeable when the boats are sitting next to each other. When it comes to strictly sailing, I personally like the 27. I believe it to be the fastest of the two. With the 27, you will find it slooped rigged. Not being as "cruiser" designed as the 28, you will find that the sink is in a pull out drawer, it is a little more tight below, etc.
For your posting, I get the impression that cruising may be in your plans rather than family daysailing/ weekends, etc. Then I might suggest that the 28 may be what you want for as much as the pocketbook can afford.
Dana
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Neil Gordon
Re: CD 27 vs. CD 28
I looked at both the 27 and 28 before buying a 28 over a year ago. The 28 has significantly more interior space... a very noticable difference if you see both boats on the same day, as I did.
Both are sloop rigged... I'm not sure either was offered as a cutter.
I've not sailed the 27 so can't compare characteristics.
Neil
s/v Sanderling
CD28 #167
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Both are sloop rigged... I'm not sure either was offered as a cutter.
I've not sailed the 27 so can't compare characteristics.
Neil
s/v Sanderling
CD28 #167
103355.34@compuserve.com
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Jon Larson
Re: CD 27 vs. CD 28
Dean, I've never seen a factory CD28 as anything but a sloop with a self tending jib with boom. By now, there may be some modifications on that sailing about. The CD27 also was a sloop.
Your choice depends on how you wish to use the boat. The CD27 is one of the prettiest boats Cape Dory ever built, to my eyes. The boat is a delightful sailor, also, and performs nicely.
The CD 28 is also no slouch in either looks or sailing, but the emphasis is more on cruising comforts. The differences in the galley should be VERY apparent when you actually look at the two boats, and is critical if you're going to live on the boat for any period of time.
If you shop about, you may find a pretty good CD30 at that price as well, that's another step up from the CD28 and has the critical inches, especially in the galley, that can make the boat all that much more livable. The gimbaled range with oven is really nice.
So, make your choice, look carefully, they're all solid boats, and make your choice on your own observations.
Jon Larson
CD30 PERI
San Francisco Bay.
jon9@ix.netcom.com
Your choice depends on how you wish to use the boat. The CD27 is one of the prettiest boats Cape Dory ever built, to my eyes. The boat is a delightful sailor, also, and performs nicely.
The CD 28 is also no slouch in either looks or sailing, but the emphasis is more on cruising comforts. The differences in the galley should be VERY apparent when you actually look at the two boats, and is critical if you're going to live on the boat for any period of time.
If you shop about, you may find a pretty good CD30 at that price as well, that's another step up from the CD28 and has the critical inches, especially in the galley, that can make the boat all that much more livable. The gimbaled range with oven is really nice.
So, make your choice, look carefully, they're all solid boats, and make your choice on your own observations.
Jon Larson
CD30 PERI
San Francisco Bay.
Dean Walters wrote: I am starting to look for a Cape Dory family cruiser in the 18 - 25K price range and am a little confused about the differences between the CD 27 and CD 28. I was told (or read) that the 28 comes as a sloop. Is this true? I prefer the sloop rig. Does the additional 1' in lengh and 4" in beam make that much of a difference on the 28. How about below deck; from the specs the layout seems identical except for some minor differences in the galley. What about the Volvo versus the Yanmar? Is there a shower on the 28? How about the size of the storage tanks? Any help would be appreciated.
jon9@ix.netcom.com
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Dana Arenius
Re: CD 27 vs. CD 28, OPPS!
OPPS!
Sorry Folks! I see club footed foresails and I automatically think staysail. It fact it is a sloop with a club footed jib.
Dana
darenius@aol.com
Sorry Folks! I see club footed foresails and I automatically think staysail. It fact it is a sloop with a club footed jib.
Dana
darenius@aol.com
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David Brownlee
Re: CD 27 vs. CD 28
We now have a 27, and we looked at a 28 before buying her. Recently, we've looked at some 30s and 33s, with an eye to moving up. So we've thought about some of these issues.
The 28 does have a number of interior features that we liked when we were comparing it to a 27: the bunks don't tuck under anything, the galley is easier to work in, the head has a little sink (at least in some years--some 27s have a sink, too), and the freshwater tankage is greater (the 27's capacity is only about 24 gals.). But the 28 is *much* heavier for being just one foot longer, the cockpit is pushed right back to the transom (which always suggests that a designer is trying to pack in a bit too much), and the overall "look" is bulkier.
Since we we sailing a 25 (outboard) at the time, with the sweetest sheer line of them all, we were loathe to move into something that looked so beefy. We bought a 27.
We are very happy with our choice. I haven't sailed her against a 28, but I can affirm that she sails very well, especially if you get a good main and reef and change jibs at the right time. The small galley doesn't bother us, even for extended summer cruising (we often go out for 10 days or more). The low clearance over the foot of the port berth (it goes under the stove) is bearable. And the water tankage suffices for 4 days or so, which is about when the holding tank needs pumping, too.
A year ago we looked at 30s and 33s, and realized that the 30 basically had the capacity of the 28 in a more handsome package. The 30 *is* very nice, but since we weren't dying to have that slightly increased capacity, we decided we'd save our pennies until we could move up to a 33. (Also, both the 30 and 33 have wheel steering, which we not keen about. Why do American builders jump up to a wheel at such small sizes?)
It is, in the end, a matter of taste, I think.
David Brownlee
CD 27 #181
"Windrush"
Havre de Grace, MD
dbrownle@mail.sas.upenn.edu
The 28 does have a number of interior features that we liked when we were comparing it to a 27: the bunks don't tuck under anything, the galley is easier to work in, the head has a little sink (at least in some years--some 27s have a sink, too), and the freshwater tankage is greater (the 27's capacity is only about 24 gals.). But the 28 is *much* heavier for being just one foot longer, the cockpit is pushed right back to the transom (which always suggests that a designer is trying to pack in a bit too much), and the overall "look" is bulkier.
Since we we sailing a 25 (outboard) at the time, with the sweetest sheer line of them all, we were loathe to move into something that looked so beefy. We bought a 27.
We are very happy with our choice. I haven't sailed her against a 28, but I can affirm that she sails very well, especially if you get a good main and reef and change jibs at the right time. The small galley doesn't bother us, even for extended summer cruising (we often go out for 10 days or more). The low clearance over the foot of the port berth (it goes under the stove) is bearable. And the water tankage suffices for 4 days or so, which is about when the holding tank needs pumping, too.
A year ago we looked at 30s and 33s, and realized that the 30 basically had the capacity of the 28 in a more handsome package. The 30 *is* very nice, but since we weren't dying to have that slightly increased capacity, we decided we'd save our pennies until we could move up to a 33. (Also, both the 30 and 33 have wheel steering, which we not keen about. Why do American builders jump up to a wheel at such small sizes?)
It is, in the end, a matter of taste, I think.
David Brownlee
CD 27 #181
"Windrush"
Havre de Grace, MD
dbrownle@mail.sas.upenn.edu
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Kim Richards
Re: CD 27 vs. CD 28
>am a little confused about the differences between the CD 27 and CD 28. I was told (or read) that the 28 comes as a sloop. Is this true?
-Both boats are sloops, the 28 has a club footed working jib, which is a joy when beating in heavy air.
>Does the additional 1' in lengh and 4" in beam make that much of a difference on the 28.
-You Bet! The 28 is much roomer on the the inside, sails faster, and points higher than the 27. We cruise on or 28, with friends that have a 27. To get there with us, they frequently have to use the engine.
-You can think of the 27 as a big 25 and the 28 as a small 30: the 28 & 30 use the same cradle. There is less differance between the 28 & 30, then between the 27 and 28. About 8 or 10 inches extra in the gally and the rest of the 2 feet is in stern overhang/lasaret.
Incidently it has been our experience that the 28, in most conditions, sails better than the 30 cutter.
>Is there a shower on the 28?
- You can, ther is a grate and a sump, but everything gets wet.
>How about the size of the storage tanks?
- Our 28 carries 60 gallons of fresh water. I don't know the size of the holding tank: however, like most holding tanks, it is too small.
Williwaw28@aol.com
-Both boats are sloops, the 28 has a club footed working jib, which is a joy when beating in heavy air.
>Does the additional 1' in lengh and 4" in beam make that much of a difference on the 28.
-You Bet! The 28 is much roomer on the the inside, sails faster, and points higher than the 27. We cruise on or 28, with friends that have a 27. To get there with us, they frequently have to use the engine.
-You can think of the 27 as a big 25 and the 28 as a small 30: the 28 & 30 use the same cradle. There is less differance between the 28 & 30, then between the 27 and 28. About 8 or 10 inches extra in the gally and the rest of the 2 feet is in stern overhang/lasaret.
Incidently it has been our experience that the 28, in most conditions, sails better than the 30 cutter.
>Is there a shower on the 28?
- You can, ther is a grate and a sump, but everything gets wet.
>How about the size of the storage tanks?
- Our 28 carries 60 gallons of fresh water. I don't know the size of the holding tank: however, like most holding tanks, it is too small.
Williwaw28@aol.com
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Dean Walters
Thanks
Thanks to everybody who responded to my message. Your responses were helpful and informative. I now know that a club footed jib is just a version of the sloop rig! I have a lot to learn! I will definately look at both boats before before making a decision but at least now know a little more about what to look for.
deandeb@msn.com
deandeb@msn.com
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Jon Larson
Re: Thanks
Good Luck, Dean. You are in the happy situation where either decision is a good one. Pick one to your taste!
Let us know what you end up doing!
Jon Larson
Cape Dory 30 PERI
San Francisco Bay
jon9@ix.netcom.com
Let us know what you end up doing!
Jon Larson
Cape Dory 30 PERI
San Francisco Bay
Dean Walters wrote: Thanks to everybody who responded to my message. Your responses were helpful and informative. I now know that a club footed jib is just a version of the sloop rig! I have a lot to learn! I will definately look at both boats before before making a decision but at least now know a little more about what to look for.
jon9@ix.netcom.com