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Bermuda?

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Aside from all the boat preparations and crew considerations what is required for a Bermuda trip? I hope this is not one of those if you have to ask you are not worthy type questions.

This would theoretically be a May / June trip from New England. A current passport would certainly be required. Charts of the island. Is there anchorage, available? Water? Rum while I am asking. Are there fees involved? I guess what I am looking for is weather one would run into a bunch of problems if he or she would happen to make it to the island.

I know the crossing can be a bear but is it all bliss once you make it?

A couple of weeks of sailing before the season really gets going here in New England could gain you a whole bunch of offshore experience.

I have just started thinking about this so I have all winter to mull it around. It might be one of those do it before you die kind of goals. I tend to get to them sooner than later. I don't particularly want to visit Bermuda but the crossing would be quiet an accomplishment.

Any information would be appreciated, Steve.
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I've been planning to go when I retire but it might make sense to just take the time and do it sooner. I don't expect to work a day after I turn 55 (three years from now). I have always wanted to make it a singlehanded affair just to prove to myself I'm still viable. I will continue to complete all the tasks necessary to have myself and my boat ready when I decide to make the jump. It might be fun to cruise there in tandem with another Cape Dory skipper. The ghost of Eric Hiscock has been telling me to get going for several years.
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Hello Steve:

That kind of journey is way beyond my abilities. There are several sailing magazines that I subscribe to that periodically feature articles about trips or "races" to Bermuda from the New England area.

The Cruising Club of America sponsors a race from Rhode Island to Bermuda every year (I think). Their website is:

http://www.cruisingclub.org/bermuda/bermuda.htm

I assume you do not want to "race", but that organization may have a lot of useful information about anchorages, sailing conditions, best times to go, what to bring, what not to bring, immigration/passport issues, and of course, they may be able to assist with identifying the best places to buy rum on the island :)

From the articles I have read, it seems like most prefer to do the trip in the company of a few other sailboats with similar sailing characteristics (presumably so they have similar sailing speeds).
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Steve- where do you dock/moor in Noank? I'll probably be at Noank shipyard next season. We moored our Irwin 24 there about 10 yrs ago. I just love the view from atop Costello's. Mark
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Mark, Raven is at Spicers in West Cove when not sailing. On mooring F-8 in the summer and at a dock of choice in the winter.

I am not sure if I would be in over my head or not. I think it is doable.

I do not like the idea of traveling with another boat. It seems like one more thing to keep track of and a lot of work to keep both boats together. With two boats you always move at the slowest boat's pace. I also have absolutely no desire to race there or back.

Anchorages? Fees? I am not sure I even want to think about the insurance limitations. Will I need to re-document the boat before leaving? She was documented but is now only state registered.

Lots of questions and no definite plan. This is how things always start out, Steve.
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Journey's End

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Steve

Your proposed time frame is the same used by the good ship Journey's End in 2003 and you raise several valid questions.

We used Jennifer Clark's gulf stream analysis (although I could be mistaken about the actual service we used) and it was a trying trip. First and foremost, make sure you have some lay time in Bermuda. Days at least.

The port of entry is on the east side, St George's (or at least it was in 2003) and yes there is a good sized anchorage located there. To me St George's is far more entertaining that the likes of Hamilton and the more "developed" areas, but to each his/her own.

Perhaps Captain Mike will chime in about the fees, but in 2003 all crew were required to have a radio license (not ship's license, that was Mike's job) and i don't really recall additional fees.

While there DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT forget to have some Bermuda Fish Chowder. It is divine.

The Gulf Stream is harrowing in foul weather. Below is a link to Merrie Bergman's email to Leo and others upon her return to the US.

You'll also need radio licences and whatever other licenses are required for the electronics aboard our vessel. Merrie also had an article published in the Masthead which was a very good account of the journey. I have often wandered if I would do it again, and I must confess, there were times when I was scared to death (while below decks), I think it would be a worthwhile visit, IF only I could stay in country longer.

The key word is preparedness for both yourself/crew and the boat. I'll tell you that Mike had cruised Journey's End for two or three seasons prior to out trip without any "leaks"! However, with seven days of constant waves crashing over the deck, leaks were everywhere (top side leaks not the hull) and the cabin sole of a 36 is very large and slick when wet.

See if you can find a copy of Merrie's article. It would be very worthwhile.

RUM? Hell it's Bermuda THE HOME OF THE DARK N STORMY! After clearing customs go directly to the St George's Dinghy Club, order up a DarK N Stormy, sit on the balcony overlooking the anchorage and toast the journey.

Good luck and Fair Winds

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Cruise Planning

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The United States Power Squadron offers a course on Cruise Planning
and it is quite complete in scope and depth.
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Steve,

I sailed as crew on Moondance, a Sabre 452, from St. John, USVI through Bermuda to Kittery, ME in May 2006. It was the sail of a lifetime. On the St. John to Bermuda leg we had uncharacteristically light winds and motored most of the way (we monitored fuel and motored until we had just enough to sail onto the customs dock, then we waited for wind). A crewmate on that leg was a retired ship's captain who drove super tankers around the world (but this was his first sail). He said "In over 20 years I have never seen the Atlantic like this". The second leg was VERY different with 3 days of 30-35kn winds gusting to over 50; we sailed under a triple reefed main and a handkerchief of a jib. I was never scared; I had complete trust in the boat and crew. At the edge of the stream we encountered a lightening storm. The cloud cover was low and the lightening was almost horizontal. I thought I was sailing through hell.

On this cruise I learned about Herb. We sailed with him as did Merrie (barfwinkle's reference). In St. George everyone spoke of "Herb" and no one asked 'Herb who?" he was everyone's best friend and always mentioned with reverence. Our Captain also contracted with Jennifer but, with respect to her, Herb's words were gospel.

I wasn't involved in planning the trip and in many respects was just along for the ride but I have 3 suggestions:
1. Plan. This is not a daysail.
2. Weather is everything; bring Herb with you.
3. Go.

I had 2 roles: cook and standing watch. I believe that "there is no reason for not eating well" We had sit down meals until the weather intervened. Quickly we decided to have our main meal midafternoon when all hands were awake. Too late I realized that the crew was living on snacks (read junk food) during the overnight watches. I started to make, label, and individually wrap sandwiches each evening. Immediately, we had a well fed overnight crew. BTW, you'll need to strap yourself in when working in the galley. In the worst of the weather after almost wearing a pot of boiling water I reluctantly but firmly declared the end to hot, sit down meals. During those days we lived on sandwiches.

The captain established a 3 on 3 off watch schedule for our crew of 4. He felt that it was important to have 2 on watch because 1 might fall asleep. At first I was shocked. It seemed to me that it would take almost 1/2 hour to get to sleep and 1/2 hour to wake up and get dressed leaving little more than 2 hours of sleep. I was mistaken. Soon I fell asleep in a minute and was shaken out of a sound sleep minutes before relieving the watch. But we were all sleep deprived. I still maintain that we should have had a single crew watch with 3 on 9 off. Standing watch involved staying in the cockpit with "Otto" at the helm. Typically, we trimmed the sails and left them for 3 days. We could have, should have, had a standby crew assigned who after 6 hours off could have been called when necessary (only once, at the edge of the stream, did we call all hands on deck). For me this is not a matter of comfort; rather a well fed, well rested crew is a safety matter. I don't believe a well rested crew member is likely to fall asleep but a sleep deprived crew is dangerous.

We just finished our last sail of the 2008 season a week long cruise to Block Island with stops in P-town, Buzzards Bay and Boston. We started with a week long Spring cruise to Pennobscott Bay and then a 3-week cruise to St. John, NB. Now we have a kitchen timer that I use when cooking but we all use on deck for overnight watches - every 15 minutes it signals a 360 degree survey for possible traffic. Now that the season is over, I relive past sails and fantasize. I try to live a life of gratitude; thank God I discovered sailing.
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purposes all crew/captains were required to have had a "Safety at Sea Seminar" within the last 12 or 24 months, I dont recall which and I dont know if the Power Squadron course would fit this bill or not. Check with your insurance.

John mentions a galley harness for the cook. He is correct and toadd to that if you are cooking coffee, boiling water, or any liquid type substance, you (the cook) should be wearing their bibbed foulies and boot in case of a sudden lurch and spill of boiling fluid on the cook!

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Post by kerlandsen »

There are so many things too many to list here that need to be taken into account. People do it all the time. There is a lot to learn.
my suggestion is to offer your hands to someone that is doing the delivery back after either the Newport to Bermuda Race, even years, or the Marion to Bermuda race, odd years. There is also a charleston BDA, and an Annapolis BDA. This way, someone else can pay our way, you can learn from another skipper with much more experience and you can have the other boat owner pay the costs of having the boat up to speed, so to speak.

Some of the big ticket items I am thinking of:
Single Side band
Sat phone
radar
Storm sails and the ability to use them.
Alternate steering mechanism.
Jury Rig
Watertight deck
Hull construction.
life raft
Drogue, warps, sea anchor.
medical emergencies
spare everything.
Routing, gulf stream

Having done the Newport race four times, I have not been responsible for the fitting out of the boat. I can tell you that it takes more to get to the starting line than it does to get to BDA.

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I am starting to get a feel for what is involved. The parts about standing watches and care while cooking are in all sorts of books I have.

Insurance requirements and licencing is an entirely different matter. This is the area that will pour cold water on things. It sounds like I should be taking courses to satisfy my insurance company if they would indeed cover me at all. Is insurance certification required?

I do not currently have SSB on board. I represents a pretty large investment in time and money to install the equipment and become licenced and qualified to use it. I know there are inexpensive portable receivers that could monitor SSB. If one were to purchase one of these that had no transmitting capability are you then exempt from radio licensing requirements? Do you really need to have SSB for a one time short duration trip to Bermuda?

I have found that New London, CT is a customs port so I will contact them to see what is required to get back into this country. It seems that you do not want take much into Bermuda. One bottle of wine and no fresh fruit.

Entrance fees? I know there was talk about how much it costs to cruise in the Bahamas. Are there similar costs in Bermuda?

Short list would be to get Raven's documentaion renewed, buy a SSB receiver and learn how to use it, buy an EPIRB and register it, check on insurance and customs. Preparing the boat is a whole other chapter.

Isn't this much more fun to think about than sanding off bottom paint?

It's going to be a long winter, Steve.
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Pretty Good Prep List

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the ISAF Offshore Special Regulations proved an excellant "check list" in preparing the vessel and captain/crew for just the trip you want to make. Here is a link to the 2008-2009 rules.

Fair Winds and Dream Big

http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/ ... [4325].pdf
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Bermuda trip

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Having made the trip three times in the last seven years (latest one this June) I would have to say that it is a great experience and is a definite must for anyone desiring some real bluewater sailing.

As several others have mentioned, the gulf stream is really the big factor. On my second trip in '04 (racing from Annapolis) we covered 450 miles of the 750 mile race in 2 days. We arrived in Bermuda 5 days after that. Yes, the rest of the trip took 5 days! The next week saw winds in the stream go from below 5 knots to a steady 35. So weather planning is a big factor. Check out the Newport/Bermuda race site as they have some great (and free) links to gulf stream weather and currents.

Bermuda itself is very much geared towards visiting yachts, and I have never had anything but outstanding encounters with customs and other "officials". Bermuda Harbor radio does an outstanding job of talking boats into St. George's harbor and their website has some great info as well.

The approach int St. George's can be tricky if you aren't prepared, so I highly recommend that you have the right charts, and only head in in daylight. The reefs running NE of the islands are not very forgiving, and often have a sea breaking over them. Bermuda Harbor radio will talk to you about your approach and go over the chart with you prior to arrival.

Clearing customs was easy, and I don't remember being asked for a radio license any of the times I was there. There is a fee, and I don't remember exactly what it was, but for a crew of 5 it ran no more than a couple hundred dollars.

I recommend staying in St. George. There is a good anchorage in the NE portion of the harbor, and the dinghy club has showers and the cheapest dark'n'stormies around. It's also a little quieter than Hamilton. Rent a scooter in town and you can get around the whole island. While there, make sure you stop at the Swizzle Inn and try Bermuda's other rum drink.

The only other thing I can think of is try and pack as much food for the return trip as possible. Everything on the island has to be brought in, so food is quite expensive. And don't be surprised to be paying over $7.50 a gallon for diesel, that's brought in too. (the fuel dock is right in St. George).

Hope all this helps and good luck planning the trip. Just writing about it has me already thinking about the next visit.
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Be sure to visit http://www.noonsite.com/Countries/Bermuda for cruising information regarding Bermuda. There are a bunch of links on the left side of that web page. Be sure to click on each of them, especially those in the "Formalities" section. You may also want to be a copy of "World Cruising Routes" by Jimmy Cornell. Be sure to click on the link below as well:

http://www.rbyc.bm/Portals/6/YACHTS%20F ... 202006.pdf

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Bermuda

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Some talk about the passage being a "a starbord tack, one winch" ride. I've known nothing of that !

Bermuda for me is the most lushly planted and landscaped site on the planet. It is beautiful and it is very civilized !

This will bring me back: my wallet was stolen while I was asleep in a small hotel at the head of Hamilton's harbor. I had foregone carousing with my racing mates and headed for bed earlier than the crowd.

It had been a trying thrash to the "Onion Patch"; it had not been abnormally rough yet we were the "scratch boat" (at the slow end of the scale). At one point in the Stream, it felt as though we were sailing uphill and just then, a whale passed us closeby and going in the same direction. That Stream is spectacular !

(Back on BDA) Upon realizing my wallet loss morn after arrival, I was too weary and then too defeated to be worried. My estimation was that there was no point in reporting it: "Who would or could care ?"

My hosts insisted that I "call it in". After doing that, I was told I would need to come to the station, to file a report. Not the way I wanted to spend time yet soon after I had gone there and given a statement, an investigative team arrived and dusted my room. I thought it was wonderful...plus the head of that gave me an assurance that "something would be done". I had some doubts about that actually occurring, really.

Later that same morn, I called my wife back in the States who said, "You didn't tell me you'd lost your wallet". I said, "Why no...how did you know ?" She said, "Some ladies in the Dinghy Club offices called to say "Your husband's wallet has washed up in to our facility. Hope he's okay....because there's no money, dear, yet many cards and receipts ...all wet.... so.we are drying it all on a clothesline we've rigged up. If you talk to your husband tell them that we will be looking for him with sadness and pleasure to assist. "

And then, later in the day, after I'd come in from racing on the Sound, I had a call from a man who said he was "BDA station manager" for USAir. He said, "I understand you've lost your wallet and ticket....and I am sorry, so sorry....just keep in mind that you will not be inconvenienced...pleas enjoy your stay".

Next afternoon, the investigator called and said "we have made an arrest ... based on the fingerprints ...and a tip. Unfortunately, no money was found on the person".

And when I did leave, the airline station manager was there to expedite me through ticketing. It was as though I was some kind of dignitary !

My opinon: Bermuda is just a wonderful place where they value tourism and sailors !
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